Wrestling Discussion Thread (WWE, TNA, ECW, WCW, etc.) - Page 199

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Originally Posted by Anjin 

It's just too bad that Punk/Bryan hasn't gotten a build-up as to have a proper champ vs champ match at 'Mania.  THAT I would like to see while both are still on Vince's good side and holding the main straps. It's about time for them to unite the World & WWE titles anyway... a Punk/Bryan feud for that honor would be fucking phenomenal. We really have two of the best workhorses as champs since the days of Eddie and Benoit as champions.

 

Honestly though, I'm loving these Punk/Bryan matches and I hope it leads to something special down the line.  And I mean no disrespect to Jericho, who I sincerely beleive will give Punk his most memorable WWE match yet, thus pushing him further into legend category.  I'm more excited for that match than I am Cena/Rock.

 

Hey, I'm a IWC asshole who hates EVERYTHING!  You know, except for awesome wrestling and good angles! 

My best guess is that the Punk/Bryant stuff was probably campaigned for by the two of them for that first match and played down as a way to build the Jericho/Punk heat.  Then it was amazing and got a huge reaction, and now they're just trying to capitalize.  I could see them pushing this again after Wrestlemania though, although you have to wonder how long they'll stay comfortable without Cena in the mix.
 

I can't wait to see The Rock. Hopefully he cuts an epic promo in response to last week and owns the shit out of John Cena tonight.

Holy shit. I'm not a big Meltzer supporter but him and Brian Alvarez both made some fantastic points recently about the heat that The Rock has backstage. Meltzer says the new guys today just don't understand the business. He tells a story about this veteran coming in and doing a show with a bunch of new guys and he goes out to eat with them and asks them questions about "what was the gate tonight?". No one knew. "Well how much was it last time you were here?" and no one knew. He asked how do you guys know if you're doing anything right? They go "well we go on the internet and read our match ratings".

Meltzer brings up The Rock's appearance in Boston last November and how The Rock had been up since like 5 am like he said in his promo on RAW. He went to the gym in the morning, filmed scenes for his movie, took a charter flight out to Boston, went to RAW and did his thing and then had to leave to go back and film more scenes for his movie and wrestlers bitched because The Rock didn't shake their hands and complained that The Rock is too "Hollywood".

Alvarez brought up the point how everyone from Santino to John Cena should be on their knees thanking The Rock for coming back and doing something that he absolutely does not have to do anymore. He's going to draw a huge gate at WrestleMania and give all these guys a huge pay check and all they can do is bitch about it.

Everything they said is so true. This business today is full of new guys who are nothing more than whiny, jealous little bitches. They expect everything to be handed to them and the business just doesn't work that way. If you have actual talent and you can draw then you'll be in the main event. But just having a 5 star match in RoH does not make you the best wrestler in the business.

Meltzers quote that is 100% true: "Believe me, he's doing wrestling a hell of a lot more of a favor than wrestling is doing him right now".

Raw was awesome tonight. Jericho killed it in that opening segment.

As far as my favorite wrestler of all time goes: good Dwayne promo, decent Rock promo.

Cena's always been able to do that kind of stuff, but he hasn't since like '05. If they let him talk like that all the time, than people probably wouldn't hate him as much as they do.

Punk/Jericho was great. 

Eve is American Maryse. 

Rock/Cena was meh.  The lines on wrist thing had to be pre-planned, because I refuse to believe that he would've held up his arm like that toward the camera and accidentally exposed those lines.  We were meant to see them.  They are intentionally trying to destroy the audience's faith in The Rock, to destroy the image of The Rock until all we are left with is the man behind the curtain and nothing more.  No more swagger, no more magic, no more sing-alongs.  It's over.  There's some not-coincidental symmetry between The Rock and The Undertaker this year in terms of character destruction.

I didn't notice there being writing on his wrists. I thought that was just Cena being goofy. It's going to take more than that for the "millions" to lose faith in the Rock. I think a lot of people are just grateful to see the Rock back in a WWE ring. He was a "superstar" and in my opinion WWE doesn't have a lot of those anymore. Guys like HBK, Y2J, Austin, Rock  they resonated with audiances in a way that no one on the current roster comes close to, with the exception of maybe Punk, who will be at that echelon sooner than later.

That wasn't The Rock out there tonight. That was Dwayne Johnson. I want to see The Rock.

That was just an ok promo. Rock needed to kill it tonight and he really didn't. He looked and sounded flustered. He didn't really become The Rock until the very end.

Rock looked legit pissed off at the end. I really think it's from when Cena called him out on the notes scribbled on his wrist. I noticed it earlier in the promo but thought it might have been a new tattoo or something. Turns out it really was notes. The Rock doesn't need notes. Dwayne Johnson needs notes.

From now on, he needs to come out and be THE ROCK. No smiling, no playing to the crowd, no "trending" bullshit.

I want to see this guy:

Not this guy:

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Originally Posted by UrchineSLICE 

I didn't notice there being writing on his wrists. I thought that was just Cena being goofy.

There was writing on his wrist.  

I must be losing my eyesight at the young age of 20 because watching it again I'm still not seeing it! But like I previously said good Dwayne promo, decent Rock promo. 

Also, it's dogshit what they're doing with the Miz. Just thought I would say that.

Cena is turning into an even bigger annoying douchebag. All he does is talk about The Rock leaving, having his promos scripted and calls him Dwayne Johnson like he's really breaking kayfabe there and being such a rebel. Meanwhile "Kung Pow Bitch" and "Missing Balls" both = comedy gold. Yeah, The Rock owned Cena in this one.

Here is the Dave Meltzer audio I was talking about earlier:

Would you really blame him? I mean he has a successful career away from WWE, and he comes back after years and years of the fans knocking at his door to entertain and than he gets dogged on by the whole roster?  I love the Rock, as I've stated he's my favorite wrestler of all time, but he didn't need to come back at all. His movies while shite in quality, rake in plenty of cash, so from what I can tell he's genuinely coming back just for the fans, as I doubt theres an itch from the Rock to wrestle Cena at all. Haters gonna hate.

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Originally Posted by Adamclane99 

That wasn't The Rock out there tonight. That was Dwayne Johnson. I want to see The Rock.

 

That was just an ok promo. Rock needed to kill it tonight and he really didn't. He looked and sounded flustered. He didn't really become The Rock until the very end.

 

Rock looked legit pissed off at the end. I really think it's from when Cena called him out on the notes scribbled on his wrist. I noticed it earlier in the promo but thought it might have been a new tattoo or something. Turns out it really was notes. The Rock doesn't need notes. Dwayne Johnson needs notes.

 

From now on, he needs to come out and be THE ROCK. No smiling, no playing to the crowd, no "trending" bullshit.

 

I want to see this guy:

 

 

Not this guy:

THIS. THIS. THIS!!!

Gah...I love Rocky. There were shades of him when he ran Cena down in the first promo with the Stevie Wonder cracks, vocal impersonation, and Fruity pebbles remarks. But everything since then has been transparent catchphrases, NON-3rd person, and audience-pandering bullshit.

Where the hell is the Rock who always said "The Rock" instead of "I" all the damn time? Where is the Rock who didn't give a damn about crowd participation unless they were chanting his name? I mean, if the Rock has a guy supposedly writing his jokes now, was he laid off? Who was that Rock who sat there as Cena ran him down and let him walk away without a word?

Blech.

I would LOVE it if this thing tonight brought out the real Rock. I really hope that's what they're going for and he comes back in a week or two and he's got the fancy shirts, talks in third person and owns Cena even more than he has already.

Watch this:

and this:

After watching those, a thought came to mind and maybe we'll get the Rock and Cena making fun of Eve. Or since y2j is there now, they can do Rock and Y2J make fun of Steph 3.0.

They'd be dummies not to give Eve a quick segment where she tries to hook The Rock.  She had a backstage bit with him at Mania last year.  Maybe they'll get an encore this year. 

If I had to guess, they'll probably align Eve with Del Rio.  I can see her riding out in the cars with him.

You guys talking about how Rock wasn't really there tonight know you're playing right into the 'E's hands, right? This is exactly the reaction they're after.

Looking at it impartially Cena kicked the verbal shit out of him tonight, by the way. And that was how the segment was supposed to go, I think.

Not too mention they have what 6 weeks of TV left for Rock to own Cena on the mike before Wrestlemania, no need for them to rush through the angle in one week when they need to build the match up.

Cena, as the heel, needs to get the better of the face in their first exchanges, that's pro wrestling 101.

Cena's not a heel and neither is The Rock. That's the best part about these exchanges so far - they're booking for that Team Cena Vs. Team Rock, 50/50 crowd-splitting vibe. It's working great so far.

Three WrestleMania feuds about super-talented guys disliking each other and wanting to prove that they're better than their opponent. It's been a while.

Emotionally it's Cena most fans want to see get his arse kicked, so he is gonna fit into the heel role, to a degree at least. Cena will get over far more as the more aggrestive character he's being playing the last couple of RAWs.

I wish it was Dana White booking this fight.

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Originally Posted by PBar 

I wish it was Dana White booking this fight.

Please tell me you are joking.

So far the booking of Rock-Cena has been fine. People need to enjoy what is a superior WM main event feud. (beats Sid vs Undertaker or Bret vs Yokozuna for example)

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Originally Posted by Andrew Merriweather 

You guys talking about how Rock wasn't really there tonight know you're playing right into the 'E's hands, right? This is exactly the reaction they're after.

 

Looking at it impartially Cena kicked the verbal shit out of him tonight, by the way. And that was how the segment was supposed to go, I think.

I didn't see it that way. I saw Cena coming out and saying the usual crap and trying to be funny and edgy by calling The Rock Dwayne Johnson and bringing up the scripted promos.

I saw The Rock hold nearly 18,000 fans or so in the palm of his hands. He got the entire audience to chant "Kung Pow Bitch" and "Missing Balls". Who else can do that? I'm sorry, but Cena still fucking sucks. He's a good worker, a hard worker. I'm not knocking that. But I'll never be a fan of his gimmick. I thought Cena came across as even more of a annoying douchebag on RAW rather than "kicking the shit out of him".

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Originally Posted by Andrew Merriweather 

Cena's not a heel and neither is The Rock. That's the best part about these exchanges so far - they're booking for that Team Cena Vs. Team Rock, 50/50 crowd-splitting vibe. It's working great so far.

 

Three WrestleMania feuds about super-talented guys disliking each other and wanting to prove that they're better than their opponent. It's been a while.

How is it working great? Cena is getting booed out of the building while The Rock has about 95% of the fans behind him. There's no 50/50 crowd-split here at all.

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Originally Posted by Upgrayedd 

I didn't see it that way. I saw Cena coming out and saying the usual crap and trying to be funny and edgy by calling The Rock Dwayne Johnson and bringing up the scripted promos.

 

I saw The Rock hold nearly 18,000 fans or so in the palm of his hands. He got the entire audience to chant "Kung Pow Bitch" and "Missing Balls". Who else can do that? I'm sorry, but Cena still fucking sucks. He's a good worker, a hard worker. I'm not knocking that. But I'll never be a fan of his gimmick. I thought Cena came across as even more of a annoying douchebag on RAW rather than "kicking the shit out of him".

 

The Rock got people to chant meaningless, unimportant shit for a few minutes.  Whoopdy fucking doo.  He was more concerned with getting shit to trend on Twitter than the actual match.  In short, The Rock became the physical embodiment of everything that the IWC has bitched at the WWE about recently.  

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Originally Posted by Andrew Merriweather 

Cena's not a heel and neither is The Rock. That's the best part about these exchanges so far - they're booking for that Team Cena Vs. Team Rock, 50/50 crowd-splitting vibe. It's working great so far.

Worked on me. I have been dreading the eventual build to this match since most everything preceding it so far has been terrible. They found a way to make this entertaining. Major props.

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Originally Posted by HarleyQuinn22 

The Rock got people to chant meaningless, unimportant shit for a few minutes.  Whoopdy fucking doo.  He was more concerned with getting shit to trend on Twitter than the actual match.  In short, The Rock became the physical embodiment of everything that the IWC has bitched at the WWE about recently.  

But The Rock makes it entertaining, at least. It's not the same old twitter promoting crap the rest of the company does. He made it fun out there. No one controls the audience better than him. I hope those people in the lockerroom who have been bitching recently took note because they'll never get to that level.

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Originally Posted by Upgrayedd 

 Cena is getting booed out of the building while The Rock has about 95% of the fans behind him.

The audience may not have  been a 50/50 split but you're exaggerating to the point of silliness.

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The audience may not have  been a 50/50 split but you're exaggerating to the point of silliness.

Go back and watch. Easily more than half the audience was cheering The Rock. I'd say 3/4's the audience was behind The Rock.

You're a silly billy, Upgrayedd.

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Originally Posted by Upgrayedd 

Meltzers quote that is 100% true: "Believe me, he's doing wrestling a hell of a lot more of a favor than wrestling is doing him right now".

Well, I'll take Vince McMahon's paycheck off a Wrestlemania 28 where the Rock never came back over Dwayne Johnson's asking price per film if he never became a pro wrestler.
 

There hasn't been a single show since he's come back where The Rock hasn't had the audience behind him.

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Originally Posted by Upgrayedd 

It's not the same old twitter promoting crap the rest of the company does. He made it fun out there. No one controls the audience better than him.

 

Yes it is! Jesus, you're such a mark. Like, this promo was literally every single thing you bitch about Cena doing in his promos - pandering, Twitter trending, lame comedy, stupid catchphrases - but you eat it up simply because a)fans cheered and b)OMG The Rock is so awesome. Cena comes out, makes ZERO jokes, points out the lameness of having fucking notes on your wrist (total work, by the way) and gets a GREAT kiss-off line, and he's just doing the same old schtick? I'm not sure why I'd expect anything less out of touch with reality coming from a guy who thinks the near one-armed Sting can still go, but still. You bring Rock back full time and have cut such a lame promo every week, and see how long it takes the crowd to get tired of him. That crowd was running on the nostalgia of seeing a live Rock promo for the first time in eight years, not the content.

I think what's also weird about this is that Cena can absolutely hold the crowd in the palm of his hand, and has been doing so for some time. You think the weird reactions he gets aren't deliberate? The company have got one of the most polarising, provocative top guys in history in Cena, and that's money. People come to boo the shit out of him, but people also come to cheer him and spend stupid amounts of money on merchandising. He's obviously not The Rock - who in the history of the business is - but he knows how to control and marshall a crowd. It's kind of funny to see seemingly savvy internet types not picking up on the fact that by and large the crowd is reacting to Cena in the way that they do because HE AND THE WWE WANT THEM TO.

I used to be the biggest Rock fan. I still am. But you have to admit he was off Monday Night. The Rock would never say stupid shit is "trending" or even try to deliberatly get chants started. Dwayne Johnson does that. The Rock never would. 

Now, I DESPISE Cena...like most of the IWC. But I have to admit he stole the show on Monday night. Whether wrist notes was a shoot or a work....it doesn't matter to me. If you go back and watch the ending though, Rock looks legit pissed off after Cena mentions the notes. Just look at his face. Then he moves directly into Cenas' face.

If it's a work....great acting by the Rock and credit to WWE. If it's a shoot, good for Cena for taking this feud up a notch. Either way, it just got a helluva lot more interesting.

Well the Rock has done the chant things in the past.

During 2002 draft he had the crowd tell Vince: "you are an asshole".

At the end of 2003, The Rock came back to help Foley fight La Resistance and had the crowd chant "fifi".

Summer 2004 the Rock got the crowd to chant "screw the Coach" and "popcorn fart" when he helped Eugene.

I think it's all a ploy, because Vince would never let Cena go out and grill the Rock like that. And after all The Rock is an actor now, so it wouldn't surprise me if the Rock was just putting on a show out there. That being said for the first time since he's came back, The Rock clearly wasn't at the top of his game. Still good work, just not top notch stuff that I've come to expect.. Rock needs to pull into Jabroni Drive and check himself into the Smackdown hotel so he can get a good nights sleep and come back next week with the shades and prove to the world that he is the most electrifying man in all of entertainment.

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Originally Posted by Andrew Merriweather 

Yes it is! Jesus, you're such a mark. Like, this promo was literally every single thing you bitch about Cena doing in his promos - pandering, Twitter trending, lame comedy, stupid catchphrases - but you eat it up simply because a)fans cheered and b)OMG The Rock is so awesome. Cena comes out, makes ZERO jokes, points out the lameness of having fucking notes on your wrist (total work, by the way) and gets a GREAT kiss-off line, and he's just doing the same old schtick? I'm not sure why I'd expect anything less out of touch with reality coming from a guy who thinks the near one-armed Sting can still go, but still. You bring Rock back full time and have cut such a lame promo every week, and see how long it takes the crowd to get tired of him. That crowd was running on the nostalgia of seeing a live Rock promo for the first time in eight years, not the content.

 

I think what's also weird about this is that Cena can absolutely hold the crowd in the palm of his hand, and has been doing so for some time. You think the weird reactions he gets aren't deliberate? The company have got one of the most polarising, provocative top guys in history in Cena, and that's money. People come to boo the shit out of him, but people also come to cheer him and spend stupid amounts of money on merchandising. He's obviously not The Rock - who in the history of the business is - but he knows how to control and marshall a crowd. It's kind of funny to see seemingly savvy internet types not picking up on the fact that by and large the crowd is reacting to Cena in the way that they do because HE AND THE WWE WANT THEM TO.

The only difference is it wasn't lame comedy and it was way more than just nostalgia. The Kung Pow Bitch line was fucking hilarious. Way more creative than any insult Cena's ever said in his entire career. The entire crowd pretty much was chanting "missing balls!". That's way more than just nostalgia.

You bring up Sting again like I don't have a valid point anymore about anything because I said I think he can still go. Which he can. Yet I haven't seen you complain about someone like Undertaker who is about Sting's age continuing to wrestle with a bad hip and knees. He's going to need both knees and his hip replaced yet he still goes out there and delivers. So does Sting. If you can't see that you're just so fucking anti-TNA that you'll say anything at this point. If Sting was in the WWE and wrestling you probably wouldn't say shit.

I've NEVER EVER EVER seen Cena hold a crowd in the palm in his hands like The Rock did on RAW. What weird reactions? It's the same reactions he has been getting for the past 7 years now. Every male older than 10 boos the shit out of him while the kids and women love him.

What I saw on RAW was another failed attempt by the WWE to have Cena go out there and point out The Rock's promo notes written on his wrist so maybe some of the older fans would like him. They're still trying to shove Cena in our faces. They don't get that the majority of the fans HATE him. So I don't even know how it's deliberate anymore that they're trying to get a mix reaction. They're not. They're trying to make us cheer for the guy doing anything they can do to get him over. I just read today that they are determined to get a 50/50 crowd split at WrestleMania. Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah, in The Rock's home state where he played colllege football they really think they're going to get a 50/50 crowd split? It's so fucking stupid.

The WWE WANTS you to cheer Cena. They've always hated seeing him being booed. Sure, they've had Cena point out that a lot of fans don't like him. But they've always tried to continue to get him over. What's going to happen unless The Rock comes back big in their next face to face meet is that people will get turned off by The Rock AND continue to hate John Cena and simply not care about this feud anymore.
 

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Originally Posted by JLassiter 

You're a silly billy, Upgrayedd.

Did you even watch or are you just trolling now? The majority of the audience on Monday was in The Rock's corner.

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Originally Posted by UrchineSLICE

Well the Rock has done the chant things in the past.

 

During 2002 draft he had the crowd tell Vince: "you are an asshole".

At the end of 2003, The Rock came back to help Foley fight La Resistance and had the crowd chant "fifi".

Summer 2004 the Rock got the crowd to chant "screw the Coach" and "popcorn fart" when he helped Eugene.

 

I think it's all a ploy, because Vince would never let Cena go out and grill the Rock like that. And after all The Rock is an actor now, so it wouldn't surprise me if the Rock was just putting on a show out there. That being said for the first time since he's came back, The Rock clearly wasn't at the top of his game. Still good work, just not top notch stuff that I've come to expect.. Rock needs to pull into Jabroni Drive and check himself into the Smackdown hotel so he can get a good nights sleep and come back next week with the shades and prove to the world that he is the most electrifying man in all of entertainment.

Exactly. I don't understand some of the comments like "that wasn't The Rock out there, it was Dwayne Johnson". Uh... have you ever seen any of The Rock's promos? That was exactly what he does and has done for his entire career since he became The Rock. Like you said, maybe he wasn't at the top of his game but that was a Rock style promo. The kung pow bitch and missing balls thing was fucking hilarious. Pointing out that in the year they've been feuding he's accomplished all these things while Cena's only change was changing his jean shorts to camouflage shorts so we couldn't tell he had no balls.

He always used to get the crowd to chant things with him. Remember when he turned heel at Survivor Series '98 and then shortly after that he cuts a promo and starts to say "If ya smell..." and he heard the crowd start to go along with him and he tells this "This isn't sing along with The Rock". His whole career his promos have been catchphrases and getting the crowd to chant things with him.

I just don't get what they were trying to accomplish on Monday other than try and make The Rock look like a jackass. So what's going to happen? He's going to become the "old" Rock next only for Cena to come out and say "you're still just Dwayne Johnson"? Yeah and Cena's still just Marky Mark on steroids.

The Rock/Cena feud went from a 6 to about a 9 on my hype scale with just that promo Monday night. Let's hope WWE doesn't blow it as they usually do.

Although, I really didn't care for any of the Rocks' new "catchphrases."  I'll take "Roody Poo" over "Kung Pao Bitch" anyday. Both are ridiculous but KPB just sounds like he's trying too hard to find something wacky to say. I was more than happy to hear "Candy Ass" again, though.

Look, I'm the biggest Rock fan. Had all of his action figures, T-shirts and all that crap when I was younger. Hell, he even signed his book for me when I went to a signing at the Mall of America...but, I gotta give it to Cena for Monday night. And I HATE Cena. Sometimes, it's just fun to be a mark again and forget all the other bullshit.

Looking forward to this Mania WAY more than I have the last two. Good lord, 27 was awful. With Rock/Cena, HHH/Taker III, and Y2J/Punk it should be one helluva show.

WM 27 should have been so much better. The build up for everything was phenomenal. Miz showed that he had the main event chops on the mic and held his own against Cena, who delivered good stuff around WM last year, and the Rock who was on fire. Del Rio also upped his game considerably and I was looking forward to the Taker/HHH match. The undercard was solid, but the 3 main events were piss poor. Miz actually IMO, brought his A game, it was Cena that slogged it off, which was strange because Cena usually does pretty good at WM. I actually think that the Rock has done great work upon his return until this last Raw.

This years WM should be the best since 19 or 20, but you never know. Punk vs Jericho is a guaranteed great match, and Sheamus vs. Bryan has the potential to be every bit as good WRESTLING wise, but probably not as amusing as far as the story goes. Sheamus and Bryan are both great on the mic, but something tells me they'll have this match open the show much like Edge and Del Rio last year. Rock vs. Cena could go either way really. The Rock looks like he hasn't missed a step, but he's wrestled one match since '04 and has gotten physically involved like what 3 times since his return?

ALSO wtf is WWE doing with the undercard this year? You've got tons of guys that can put on great matches that they're not really doing anything with as far as Mainia is concerned. Orton, Miz, Ziggler, Swagger, Bourne(?), Kofi, Big Show, Truth, even guys like McEntyre, Zeke, Gabriel, and Riley.

It's so strange. I can remember almost every match on the card from Mania's 13-20...after that, they all kind of run together (except for a few stand out matches). If I had to rank the last ten WrestleMania's , it would probably be like this:

19

20

24

18

25

21

22

23

26

27

Did this real quick but does anyone else have a ranking? I might come back later and add comments. If WWE pulls off 28 as well as it is being hyped, I could see it going into the #2 or #3 spot.

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Originally Posted by Adamclane99 

It's so strange. I can remember almost every match on the card from Mania's 13-20...after that, they all kind of run together (except for a few stand out matches). If I had to rank the last ten WrestleMania's , it would probably be like this:

 

19

20

24

18

25

21

22

23

26

27

 

Did this real quick but does anyone else have a ranking? I might come back later and add comments. If WWE pulls off 28 as well as it is being hyped, I could see it going into the #2 or #3 spot.

 

 

19

18 (The Rock/Hogan and Undertaker/Ric Flair made that great even though the rest of the card was kind of blah)

21 (HBK/Angle, Cena/JBL, first MITB, Batista/Triple H, Undertaker/Orton)

22

24

25

23

26

20

27

I have 20 so low because I had just moved at the time and didn't have a cable box hooked up at my place yet so I didn't get to see it live and didn't see it until a couple years later on youtube. It was a good show though. I've ordered the others. I loved the hype going into WrestleMania 27. I think they made it feel more important than they have in years and I had gone to RAW the week before at the Allstate Arena so I was pumped for 27 and then it was a failure. I thought Undertaker/Triple H was good and so was Orton/Punk. The rest of the card was terrible. I think 28 has the potential to be up there after 19 and 18 on my list.

Edit: You make a good point about remembering almost every match on the card from previous WrestleManias. Recent WrestleManias have been either terrible all around or like 25 and 26 only stand out for HBK/Undertaker. Other than that, there hasn't truly been a WrestleMania for me since 19 that has really stood out where almost every match on the show felt special. But none of the recent ones stand out like 16, 17, 18 and 19 do for me.

I think they got  it right this year (as long as it delivers) with the epic Rock/Cena main event, built a new star in CM Punk and brought back Chris Jericho for him at WrestleMania. Triple H/Undertaker III feels special now that it's going to be in Hell in a Cell and I'm even excited about Sheamus/Daniel Bryan. The top 3 matches on the card all feel special and the midcard matches are all shaping up to be entertaining. This does have a lot of potential and I really hope everything turns out right for it. I hope all of the wrestlers bring their "A" game, I hope the WWE doesn't screw up the booking and Jim Ross absolutely needs to announce during the 3 main events.

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Originally Posted by Adamclane99 

It's so strange. I can remember almost every match on the card from Mania's 13-20...after that, they all kind of run together (except for a few stand out matches). If I had to rank the last ten WrestleMania's , it would probably be like this:

 

19

20

24

18

25

21

22

23

26

27

 

Did this real quick but does anyone else have a ranking? I might come back later and add comments. If WWE pulls off 28 as well as it is being hyped, I could see it going into the #2 or #3 spot.

 

 

The only thing that I clearly remember from 27 is The Rock and Austin reuniting backstage.  Such a great moment that all the kids in the crowd did not fully comprehend.  Just about all Manias are a blur to me save for 15, 17, and 19 due to the Rock/Austin matches, and 18 for Rock/Hogan.

Wow...

This pretty much is the same feud from 10 years ago only The Rock's role has changed.

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Originally Posted by Upgrayedd 

The only difference is it wasn't lame comedy and it was way more than just nostalgia. The Kung Pow Bitch line was fucking hilarious. Way more creative than any insult Cena's ever said in his entire career. The entire crowd pretty much was chanting "missing balls!". That's way more than just nostalgia.

 

You bring up Sting again like I don't have a valid point anymore about anything because I said I think he can still go. Which he can. Yet I haven't seen you complain about someone like Undertaker who is about Sting's age continuing to wrestle with a bad hip and knees. He's going to need both knees and his hip replaced yet he still goes out there and delivers. So does Sting. If you can't see that you're just so fucking anti-TNA that you'll say anything at this point. If Sting was in the WWE and wrestling you probably wouldn't say shit.

 

I've NEVER EVER EVER seen Cena hold a crowd in the palm in his hands like The Rock did on RAW. What weird reactions? It's the same reactions he has been getting for the past 7 years now. Every male older than 10 boos the shit out of him while the kids and women love him.

 

What I saw on RAW was another failed attempt by the WWE to have Cena go out there and point out The Rock's promo notes written on his wrist so maybe some of the older fans would like him. They're still trying to shove Cena in our faces. They don't get that the majority of the fans HATE him. So I don't even know how it's deliberate anymore that they're trying to get a mix reaction. They're not. They're trying to make us cheer for the guy doing anything they can do to get him over. I just read today that they are determined to get a 50/50 crowd split at WrestleMania. Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah, in The Rock's home state where he played colllege football they really think they're going to get a 50/50 crowd split? It's so fucking stupid.

 

The WWE WANTS you to cheer Cena. They've always hated seeing him being booed. Sure, they've had Cena point out that a lot of fans don't like him. But they've always tried to continue to get him over. What's going to happen unless The Rock comes back big in their next face to face meet is that people will get turned off by The Rock AND continue to hate John Cena and simply not care about this feud anymore.
 

 

Kung Pow Bitch. Hilarious. Okay. Sting the same as Undertaker, the man who's had the best match at WrestleMania for five (or six, depending on your POV) years in a row. Sure. WWE wants everyone to cheer Cena, despite booking him to lose repeatedly to emerging superface CM Punk last summer and then for him screw over his best friend not two weeks ago. Right.

God, why does anyone bother with you.

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Originally Posted by UrchineSLICE 

WM 27 should have been so much better. The build up for everything was phenomenal. Miz showed that he had the main event chops on the mic and held his own against Cena, who delivered good stuff around WM last year, and the Rock who was on fire. Del Rio also upped his game considerably and I was looking forward to the Taker/HHH match. The undercard was solid, but the 3 main events were piss poor. Miz actually IMO, brought his A game, it was Cena that slogged it off, which was strange because Cena usually does pretty good at WM. I actually think that the Rock has done great work upon his return until this last Raw.

 

If that was Miz's A-Game, he belongs in the opening match for here on out. He looked dreadful, as did Cena. But a true Main Eventer should be able to rise above and help Cena out, something Miz failed to do even remotely.

And HHH-Taker II was great, best WWE match of the year. That HHH tombstone spot was simply amazing.

Also who are these crazy people calling 26 one of the worst WrestleManias of the last ten years? Good MITB match, good Edge/Jericho match, great Cena/Batista match and the superlative UT/Michaels II. Aside from the spectacle of Hogan/Rock, 18 was a boring disaster, and half an hour of a four-hour show doesn't for me warrent it being in the top half of the rankings. One of the most memorable Mania matches of the decade? Sure. But still one of the worst shows.

I agree, 18 was a damp squid. HHH-Jericho may have been the most disappointing main event in history, given you had two great workers but they couldn't follow the Hogan show even remotely.

Plus the use of Austin, your biggest star, in a mid card match was a real waste. (I know the original plan was Hogan-Austin, but still Vince dropped the ball on that one...)

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Originally Posted by Andrew Merriweather 

 Aside from the spectacle of Hogan/Rock, 18 was a boring disaster, and half an hour of a four-hour show doesn't for me warrent it being in the top half of the rankings. One of the most memorable Mania matches of the decade? Sure. But still one of the worst shows.

How was Undertaker vs. Flair? I never saw the match, but it sounded intriguing on paper. The build-up was all right too, aside from Undertaker always having the advantage in a feud leading up to a match everyone knew he was going to win. Him jumping and beating up David Flair in a prerecorded segment was pretty fun.