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post #1 of 66
8/25/06 at 10:17am
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Some meathead in a landscaper truck almost drove into me as he plowed his way onto the road. I was so angry my initial reaction was to yell "You fucking faggot!"
I detest homophobia. My mind reached for what it thought would be the most stinging insult for a guy like this. Is that wrong?
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post #2 of 66
8/25/06 at 10:19am
Stop trying to bait me, Bob.
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post #3 of 66
8/25/06 at 10:20am
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Originally Posted by Moltisanti
Stop trying to bait me, Bob.
When I saw this that was the first thing I thought, too.
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post #4 of 66
8/25/06 at 10:22am
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post #5 of 66
8/25/06 at 10:24am
Next time, shout "No FreeRobotSex for YOU!"

I prefer "shitmouth" to people who can't drive, myself.
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post #6 of 66
8/25/06 at 10:29am
I tend to run with the modern classic "Cocksucker" (or in my case the swedish equivalent - "kuksugare"), inspired by that master of profanity: Al Swearengen.
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post #7 of 66
8/25/06 at 10:40am
Might I suggest, instead of "Faggot" next time, you try the lesser used (and quite offensive) insult du jour of my general area... Ass Monkey. Shitmouth would work well in this instance, but (no pun intended) it doesn't roll off the tongue as well. You could also try, for your cursing pleasure, the following:
- shitbird
- fuckstick

or (if you're not wanting to use actual curse words):
- Goat Roper
- bastard (an old classic)

Just trying to help...
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post #8 of 66
8/25/06 at 10:50am
You're going to need to explain to me why "goat roper" is an insult.
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post #9 of 66
8/25/06 at 10:56am
It's mostly a sound thing... it just comes off that way. Or maybe that's just me...
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post #10 of 66
8/25/06 at 11:00am
Stunned cunt.
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post #11 of 66
8/25/06 at 11:05am
Goat RAPER is just too out of line.
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post #12 of 66
8/25/06 at 11:08am
double
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post #13 of 66
8/25/06 at 11:08am
I used to use Assclown a lot, but I understand that Assclown is too "Pro Wrestling".

Bob, Shouting out LEVITICUS FAGGOT is completely acceptable.
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post #14 of 66
8/25/06 at 11:14am
I get serious road rage, and when a teeny bopper chick cut me off and almost T-boned me, I made sure she could read my lips screaming " You Stupid Fucking Cunt!".
That felt good.
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post #15 of 66
8/25/06 at 11:15am
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Perhaps I should have made the point of this thread clearer...
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post #16 of 66
8/25/06 at 11:20am
I'll bite. I can't say that it was necessarily wrong to use a homosexual euphemism in this instance, especially since it wasn't one you conciously decided upon. It's a term that has been in frequent use in our society for some time, so blurting it out isn't particularly unexpected. I doubt you meant any offense to anyone beyond the meathead in question.
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post #17 of 66
8/25/06 at 11:23am
I think that you were in the right as well to call out an offensive term and shouldn't be too worried about which one you chose.
I was just offering some other ones that you might use in the future.
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post #18 of 66
8/25/06 at 11:24am
You were trying to use someone else's assumed homophobia against them.

It's borderline, Bob. Say five 'I Will Survive's and a 'Dancing Queen'.
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post #19 of 66
8/25/06 at 11:26am
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Originally Posted by BobClark
Perhaps I should have made the point of this thread clearer...
Is it wrong? Sure it is. Calling someone a stupid cunt, or a faggot, or a cocksucker, or an asshole is never technically right, it's spouting hate. What you did was instinctively pull up a hurtful word to call someone, and sine you detest homophobia so much, your brain associates the word "faggot" as one of the worst things you can call somebody. I don't, on the other hand, think you should be looked down upon for it, because when we're pissed we scream things that in civilized conversation we wouldn't automatically say. If it bothers you though, you should consciously try to eliminate that word from your vocabulary.
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post #20 of 66
8/25/06 at 11:34am
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Originally Posted by BobClark
Some meathead in a landscaper truck almost drove into me as he plowed his way onto the road. I was so angry my initial reaction was to yell "You fucking faggot!"
I detest homophobia. My mind reached for what it thought would be the most stinging insult for a guy like this. Is that wrong?
How do you know what would be the most stinging insult for that guy? Did you know him? Perhaps he was homosexual.

Is it wrong? Wrong to insult someone? Ehh. Borderline, I suppose. We all make mistakes when driving. Is it worth cursing someone over? As for as the insult goes...definitely wrong.
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post #21 of 66
8/25/06 at 11:50am
Something I learned in my education classes: Visual Aides. Keep a ledgible cardboard plackard that says BALL LICKER for the guys and CUNT WAGON for the ladies in your vehicle at all times. Get cut off, waive the sign. Nothing freaks drivers out like having a CUNT WAGON sign directed at them as you pass by.

Oh, and be sure to translate the phrase into multiple languages. You don't have to speak English to be a asshole on the road.

I may have to add Goat Roper to my vocabulary.
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post #22 of 66
8/25/06 at 11:55am
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Originally Posted by travishall456
I may have to add Goat Roper to my vocabulary.
Indeed.
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post #23 of 66
8/25/06 at 12:00pm
Even though I'm sure it's not the case; you could claim, subconsciously, that you actually tried calling the dude:

1. A bundle of sticks, also called faggots.
2. That perfect piece of British food, the pig meatball, funnily enough also called a faggot. Let's face it, they are really tasty with gravy and mushy peas. Ahh, lovely.

If you can convince yourself of the above facts, you can sleep well again.
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post #24 of 66
8/25/06 at 12:21pm
'Faggot' is no more acceptable a word to use than 'nigger' if you think about it.

However, while I never have called anyone 'nigger', years ago I had to train myself out of saying 'faggot' and now, after years of conditioning, I would never say it even in a fit of rage.

My next project is to phase out the word 'cunt' from my vocab. (You'd be surprised how often 'cunt' is used in Ireland and the UK.) 'Prick', 'motherfucker' and 'asshole' are now my insults of choice.
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post #25 of 66
8/25/06 at 12:23pm
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Originally Posted by BobClark
You were warned. Joseph has been summoned:

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post #26 of 66
8/25/06 at 12:37pm
We all have lapses. I remember telling a Mercedes-driving Asian running through a crosswalk to go back to Hong Kong. On the university campus — which is populated exclusively by PC types and, well, Asians.

Amusingly, bystanders looked at me like I'd just uttered their thoughts.
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post #27 of 66
8/25/06 at 12:42pm
I regret to tell you, BobClark, but you have early stage Tourettes. Motherfucker.
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post #28 of 66
8/25/06 at 12:42pm
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Thing is, I wasn't calling him a faggot because I thought he was gay and therefore an asshole. I thought he was an asshole who would be greatly insulted by being called gay. It's a fine line.
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post #29 of 66
8/25/06 at 12:46pm
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Originally Posted by chon
My next project is to phase out the word 'cunt' from my vocab.
Cunt is a colorful, highly offensive word. Instead of erasing it, embrace it.

It took me years to get stop saying, "That's so gay." Yeah, high school really turned me into a homo-phobic little prick.
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post #30 of 66
8/25/06 at 1:07pm
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Originally Posted by BobClark
Thing is, I wasn't calling him a faggot because I thought he was gay and therefore an asshole. I thought he was an asshole who would be greatly insulted by being called gay. It's a fine line.
Sounds fine when you explain it like that.
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post #31 of 66
8/25/06 at 1:13pm
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Originally Posted by BobClark
Thing is, I wasn't calling him a faggot because I thought he was gay and therefore an asshole. I thought he was an asshole who would be greatly insulted by being called gay. It's a fine line.
It's not a fine line at all. You didn't call him gay. You called him a faggot. Also, as you don't know the guy (presumably) how would you know what would insult this guy? You used a word that would insult you, if someone cursed you with that word.
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post #32 of 66
8/25/06 at 1:34pm
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Originally Posted by BobClark
Thing is, I wasn't calling him a faggot because I thought he was gay and therefore an asshole. I thought he was an asshole who would be greatly insulted by being called gay. It's a fine line.
Chon's point is valid, though. The question is whether you would call a Klan member a nigger to piss them off.

Hey, that might be fun.

EDIT: It's hard though. "Faggot" has been ingrained in our language as an amorphous insult. I've found myself using it a couple times - not to call someone homosexual, but just to call them a "bad name." That's the problem, though. It IS a derogative term for a specific group, and any use of it, deliberate or not, insults the group, as well as the person you are trying to slam.
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post #33 of 66
8/25/06 at 3:45pm
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Originally Posted by Kerry Martin
Chon's point is valid, though. The question is whether you would call a Klan member a nigger to piss them off.

Hey, that might be fun.

EDIT: It's hard though. "Faggot" has been ingrained in our language as an amorphous insult. I've found myself using it a couple times - not to call someone homosexual, but just to call them a "bad name." That's the problem, though. It IS a derogative term for a specific group, and any use of it, deliberate or not, insults the group, as well as the person you are trying to slam.
Precisely. Whereas motherfucker, assclown, shithead, asshole, etc, etc are all-encompassing and not focused on one particular group, thereby making them "safe" insults. That is until some group decides to start refering to themselves as "motherfuckers" - at which point we'll have to start feeling bad when we sling that around.
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post #34 of 66
8/25/06 at 3:50pm
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Originally Posted by whiskaz
That is until some group decides to start refering to themselves as "motherfuckers" - at which point we'll have to start feeling bad when we sling that around.
Fathers?
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post #35 of 66
8/25/06 at 4:32pm
Help me out here. I don't get to read the boards as often as I'd like. I've been reading more the last week or so and so there's this thing where in pretty much every thread I read at some point somebody posts a picture of Dolph Lungren. Is that supposed to be funny or signify something that I'm just not understanding? Is this somebody's idea of advanced performance art humor? I'm genuinely befuddled.
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post #36 of 66
8/25/06 at 4:40pm
This seems semantic. You lost it and used a naughty word. Feel guilty. No big deal. Certainly not an "incedent" worthy of an online case study in cognitive dissonance.

I mean, at this point, anyone still offended, or worried about offending, should shoot themselves in the face — fuck, just aim the gun; I'll pull the trigger for you.
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post #37 of 66
8/25/06 at 4:50pm
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll
Fathers?
Right, but it's only problematic if fathers start taking offense to non-fathers calling them motherfuckers.
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post #38 of 66
8/25/06 at 4:52pm
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Originally Posted by Rex Hudler
Help me out here. I don't get to read the boards as often as I'd like. I've been reading more the last week or so and so there's this thing where in pretty much every thread I read at some point somebody posts a picture of Dolph Lungren. Is that supposed to be funny or signify something that I'm just not understanding? Is this somebody's idea of advanced performance art humor? I'm genuinely befuddled.
I'm pretty sure it's yet another facet to the Moltisanti legacy of unfunny. He has a Lundgren fetish that's ostensibly hilarious. The picture got dropped in one thread, and now it seems to be making the rounds, like a Family Guy-style random pop culture reference. Similarly, it offers the illusion of comedy, minus the laughs.

That's okay. Laughing takes too much energy, anyway, and with this sort of meta-humor, I can easily avoid staining my monitor/keyboard/mouse/desk/pants with Coke/milk/mineral water/vomit/pee.
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post #39 of 66
8/25/06 at 5:03pm
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Originally Posted by whiskaz
Right, but it's only problematic if fathers start taking offense to non-fathers calling them motherfuckers.
I think it's safe to say that most ANYONE would be offended if you call them motherfucker, fathers included.
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post #40 of 66
8/25/06 at 5:22pm
I have friends that use the word "faggot" around me, I know none of them are homophobic, it's just a word you grow up with because it is, in fact, more acceptable to use that word as opposed to "nigger", "zipperhead", "wetback", or whatever.
I don't get huffy about it, I don't say "hold on guys, that's enough of that!", because the word used jokingly, haphazardly or as a default is not entirely unexpected, but when the word is used *pointedly* and with specific harmful intent, that's when you're in trouble with me.
Luckily I've not really had this problem since high school, and I hang out with friends (straigh, bi-, and gay) who while leaning towards the politically incorrect, never lean towards complete idiocy.

The word will maybe eventually fade as time passes, or be entirely and benignly co-opted, but until then, I won't cry about it (especially with the list of Jew/holocaust jokes I've made).
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post #41 of 66
8/25/06 at 5:28pm
Everyone slips up sometimes. Its a word I tire of hearing though, even jokingly its overused.
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post #42 of 66
8/25/06 at 5:35pm
In all seriousness, "faggot" seems rather dated, and to be honest, below you Bob. I don't think it's nearly as abrasive or effective as some of the other terms already mentioned.
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post #43 of 66
8/25/06 at 5:49pm
When I was growing up, my friends and I were always calling each other faggots before we even knew what a gay person was.
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post #44 of 66
8/25/06 at 5:50pm
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Originally Posted by BobClark
Thing is, I wasn't calling him a faggot because I thought he was gay and therefore an asshole. I thought he was an asshole who would be greatly insulted by being called gay. It's a fine line.
I understand what you're saying, but I think by doing that you're kind of encouraging his own homophobia.
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post #45 of 66
8/25/06 at 11:02pm
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Originally Posted by Gigolo Joe
It's not a fine line at all. You didn't call him gay. You called him a faggot. Also, as you don't know the guy (presumably) how would you know what would insult this guy? You used a word that would insult you, if someone cursed you with that word.

How does he know if the it would insult this guy? Apparently you've never met any meathead landscapers before. Assumptions don't get much safer, if you were to poll 1000 meathand landscapers at least 999 of them would be offended by being called a faggot.

Bob, if Mel Gibson ever cuts you off in traffic you should say "you drive like a Jew."
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post #46 of 66
8/25/06 at 11:42pm
You certainly don't have a rapist's wit, miyagi.
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post #47 of 66
8/26/06 at 12:46am
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Originally Posted by swedish miyagi
How does he know if the it would insult this guy? Apparently you've never met any meathead landscapers before. Assumptions don't get much safer, if you were to poll 1000 meathand landscapers at least 999 of them would be offended by being called a faggot.
Have I met any meathead landscapers before? Not sure about meathead, but landscapers? Most definitely. I used to work in the landscape supply field.

You think 999 of them would be offended? Probably so, because about 600 of them are gay.
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post #48 of 66
8/26/06 at 4:37am
So you think 60% of landscapers are gay based on your work in the landscape supply business? What were you selling, lawn statues of that dude pissing.

I don't think he's talking exterior design style landscapers here. With meathead being a key part of the description I think it's more a standard blue collar, Bush loving Republican, whose dream is to one day drive around in a truck that sits 14 feet off the ground. Generally, I don't think their too fond of being mistaken for Richard Simmons considering they somehow have a problem with gay marriage.

Adam, please, the Mel Gibson joke was decent at worst. And like Devin, you're not funny enough yourself to be calling other people not funny. The rapist's wit crack would be good if you didn't unoriginally hack it off Dumb and Dumber.
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post #49 of 66
8/26/06 at 4:45am
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Originally Posted by swedish miyagi
Adam, please, the Mel Gibson joke was decent at worst.
That assessment may explain why you have two red boxes.
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post #50 of 66
8/26/06 at 4:52am
yeah good point because whoever has the most green boxes is clearly the funniest.

Please direct me to a post where you have ever said something funny. A lot of pretentious douchebags around here like to pretend like they're above it all and that all jokes are lame yet they never say anything funny ever. For example, Devin is infatuated with how unfunny he thinks Moltisanti is yet he links a clip of himself telling some horribly unclever joke about a can of beer on a cheesy hacked off countdown show.
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