The 2006 NFL Season Thread - Page 3

Man... the Chargers are on fire. Two near shutouts... at the moment I'm thinking a bye week isn't exactly what they need before going into the Ravens two weeks from now.

Like the Bears, the Chargers aren't playing the best competition. Detroit and GB are better than what SD faced though. Oakland is a horrible team and Tennessee doesn't have a decent QB.

Farve had to throw 55 times and GB was up for most of the first half and was winning in the 4th quarter. And they were playing a team that had 3 wins last year.

Doesn't mean they don't have some momentum now. That's what I was referring to.

Roy Williams quotes after the game
Reminds me of David Terrell.

Well, that's just fucking obvious, isn't it? That guys a total douche. I just can't get mad about the Lions anymore. It's a waste of hate.

The score means nothing to him.

You know it crazy stupid, how close Roy is to getting cut, isn't it.

Hey, I'm not about to call Grossman an all-pro quarterback just yet (maybe if he throws another 4 against Minnesota but even then it'll be too soon), even I was wondering whether or not we'd see Griese start sometime this season after Rex's shitty exhibition. I was referring more to the individuals who were saying that Rex only gave us a marginally better chance of winning over Orton entering the playoffs last season.

Your going to have to remind me who that is.

Be glad your forgot. I'm pissed at Fox for reminding me that Cade McNown was the last Bear to throw 4tds in a game.

yea, that was a depressing statistic.

I wasn't putting them in the playoffs, I was saying they looked better.

As to the Saints record, well, they are as 2-0 as the Bears at this point in time.

roy williams is now officially my favorite player EVER.

His first down antics were so amazingly overblown. It is actually quite mind boggling. It makes you think...maybe he knows something we don't? It also makes me think "how long till marinelli benches him for just general douchebaggery?"

I was one of those individuals and ummmmmmm didn't they lose their first playoff game last year and wasn't Grossman 17-41 for 192 and 1 TD and 1 pick there is a very good chance Orton could have atleast done that.

Grossman was TERRIBLE last season. The entire argument dealt with last season. A guy who hardly played in 2 years, who played much less then Orton, who's QB rating was worse, who's career record was worse, and somehow he was considered "an NFL caliber QB". If you're gonna bring up arguments atleast get the facts right. It's funny how all the Bears fans are drooling over Grossman after 2 games. Wasn't it something like 3 weeks ago the entire city of Chicago was crying out for Brian Griese because Grossman was playing like a complete bitch during the majority of pre season? Oh how things have changed.

Grossman was not terrible last year. The game in GB showed alot and after a terrible first quarter and a half he kept the Bears close with some good passes when the running game stalled.

Grossman is night and day since preseason.

ummmmmmmmm, no there isn't. Grossman didn't look great in that game, but he was still night and day better than Orton. Keep in mind that Rex was also able to move the ball up the field enough for Adrian Peterson and our FB to score two short rushing touchdowns, something not accounted for in stats.

As for you Paso, I've said it before and I'll say it again...eat.a.dick.

Moved the ball are you on crack he threw for 192 on 41 attempts. I would venture a guess i could throw for 125 on 41 attempts if I didnt get killed. I could probably have completed his glorious one yard TD pass as well. Also your arguement was he gave them a better chance to win. Well he didnt they lost. Say what you want about Orton but he did enough not to screw up the game and the Bears won. Anyways enough of this year old arguement for me yes he playing well now but its two games its a long season and his history of being a gimp and probably breaking his leg stepping out of the shower may happen anyday now.

I would like to thank the Pats for Adam Vinatieri, that is all

That's because Bears fans, like most fans, are idiots. Grossman wasn't playing terrible in the preseason, but rather, Griese was lighting up 2nd and 3rd string defenses and making Grossman's stats look bad. Grossman hasn't been 'night and day' from the preseason. Rather, the offense is COMPLETELY different than anything they ran in the preseason and the offensive line has been unbelievable. He's got all the time in the World to make decisions. Oh, and the recievers are actually catching passes. Quite a difference from last year.

People who understand how football works knew from the start just how much better Grossman was than Orton. Grossman had a tough game in the playoffs against a great defense. Orton had shitty games against shitty defenses and will probably never start in the NFL again.

Two games doesn't prove anything, I agree with that. So take that one example of a bad game in the playoffs and shove it up your ass, Wease.

He can't hold a candle to Belichick. Of course, the list of people who can is extraordinarily short.

So, the Falcons pick up Morten Andersen to be their "under-40 yards" FG kicker.

In other news, I will be trying out this afternoon to return kicks for the Falcons as well.

Can a Garo Yepremian comeback attempt be far behind?

I'm sure the Browns fans are saying the same...HA

My bro-in-law is a Browns fan, and he laments every day about the firing of Belichik...and the hiring of Butch Davis.

I'm not a Browns fan, but I do respect their fan base, they stick with that team no matter what.

Yeah because we all know Rex Grossman is the only offensive Chicago Bears player who can move a football in the positive direction! You sound like one of the moronic Raiders fan who think Andrew Walter was the man last week because he produced 6 additional points then Aaron Brooks. "We scored 6 extra points! 6! We finally have our new Snake!".

And before you come back with another one of your lame replies (see below), I shall once again declare what the entire argument was about last season, hence my reply about getting your facts straight...REX GROSSMAN WOULDN't/WASN'T MUCH OF AN IMPROVEMENT OVER ORTON FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE '05 SEASON. The discussion wasn't about Grossman's 2006 or 2012 season's. Case in point, 1 playoff game, 1 defeat (To a team Orton beat! Now how's that for your "better chance to win"?). So fuck off with your pathetic Nostrodamos reports attempting to make yourself look like some genius and other's to be idiots. I even mentioned during the argument last season that Grossman has talent (he was a 1st round pick for a reason) and could one day become a pro bowler but it would be down the road. Same thing could be said for Aaron Rodgers. So score one for the good guys! I'm not sold on him yet but there's no denying how well he's performed so far this season.

You're just full of knowledge.

You make it out like he played well overall. He didn't. He may have been an improvement over Orton but then again who couldn't? The only thing I ever hear from you towards Grossman is "He throws a tight fast spiral on 15 yard outs!" or "Green Bay. Grrrrrrr, what a tough place to play!".

9/16 93 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT WONDERFUL
11/23, 166 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT SPLENDID (he only sucked for the majority of a half!)
PLAYOFFS
17/41, 192 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT (Hey Coach Visor, start preparing that speech for Canton!)

But yeah, I suppose Moose dropped 10 balls in those games though.

We have a winner!

Nah, you wouldn't even be able to make a list. He's in a league of his own the past 5 years. But...if one bad call that got reversed stayed the way it was initially called then maybe, just maybe, Gruden would have the same amount of Super Bowl's as Belichick (as a head coach).

We already had a discussion about what Gruden's done down in Tampa but here's some viewpoints by "the experts". I got this from a Raiders board and it's from ESPN Insider.

A lot of valid points are made here. Gruden is brutal on the sidelines toward's Simms. It's pretty obvious Simms has never been his guy but Gruden shouldn't let it be known so openly.

His offense hasn't changed that much either. The league is constantly changing and you have to create new ruffles to your system. Gruden is still stuck in his multiple motion, dink system but with inferior players.

There's one thing I totally disagree with and that towards the batted balls. That's totally on Simms. Short passes are prone to being tipped or batted down but with Simms it's at an extraordinary rate that couldn't be duplicated by anyone else.

Thats a damning piece right there. Whatever the truth is i'd hate to be Chris Simms.

To re-inforce pAso's point, here's a Packer fan saying "not so tough lately."

Stuber Picks 'Em Week 3

Last Week: 10-6

Steve Smith is most likely coming back as is Portis. The missing ingredients from two of last year's success stories. Will they both bounce back from 0-2 starts? In other news, it's week 3 and the Bears have already won the super bowl and Rex Grossman has ascended to heaven with the 62,451 pre-destined inhabitants of the Almighty's Kingdom. I'm only kidding. Though you Bear fans may very well have an I-told-you-so moment this year concerning the Grossman naysayers, after 2 wins against well-below average teams isn't quite the moment.

Washington at Houston... With Portis back what can go wrong?
NY Jets at Buffalo... So we're all a little more aware of the Jacksonville defense, that makes BUF's the most underrated squad.
Green Bay at Detroit... If GB goes 0-3, I'll promise to pick their games objectively from now on.
Jacksonville at Indianapolis... The closing window no one is talking about resides in Indiana.
Chicago at Minnesota... No more luck of the Norse wins for the Vikes.
Tennessee at Miami... Do we all remember the pre-injury sans-Moss Culpepper now? Miami still wins, though.
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh... It's hard to pick against the champs, and I think they'll look stoic and dominant against the rising Bengals.
Carolina at Tampa Bay... Man, can the Tampa defense pick this team up and ruin Smith's alleged return? Not likely.
Baltimore at Cleveland... Will Baltimore play anyone worth noting soon?
NY Giants at Seattle... Alexander's banged up and Eli doesn't get intimidated easily.
St. Louis at Arizona... This one is purely a home team win.
Philadelphia at San Francisco... Philly touters think again as the Eagles escape with a win.
Denver at New England... The two most successful coaches of the last ten years square off to see who can still win by pure will.
Atlanta at New Orleans... It makes a hell of a story if the Saints could go 3-0.

Bye: Dallas, Kansas City, Oakland, San Diego

It wasn't a bad call. It's an actual rule and was interpreted correctly by the officials. You can say the rule sucks but you can't whine about bad calls. How about making a play after that? Or how about getting three yards to close out the game when you have 2 downs to do so?

Gruden took a loaded team to a Super Bowl and won. He was just what the Bucs needed and that was great. And where are they now? They've been in decline every year since he's been there. He's an offensive coach who people are saying is killing his own QB. He's a West Coast guy who hasn't changed his offense with the times. The West Coast doesn't work very well anymore. You have to adjust, except Gruden cannot. Now that they apparently can no longer rely on their defense, he needs to take a step forward with the offense. He better get busy.

The Bucs since the Super Bowl - No playoffs, No Playoffs, WC loss, 0-2 blowout losses.

Coaches obviously better than Gruden - Belichick, Parcells, Holmgren, Andy Reid, Bill Cowher. Jeff Fisher is also better, but doesn't have a SB win to put him in the same class as these other guys.

Coaches who are better than Gruden but don't have enough experience to place them on the higher echelon - Jack del Rio, Mike Nolan, John Fox

Gruden's about on par with Shanahan, Billick, Edwards. Those aren't bad coaches, and I'm not saying Gruden is a bad coach. However, he's not one of the modern greats. A league of his own...please. Get your head out of Al Davis' ass.

And Richard, if you're going to pick games every week, use the spread. Anyone can go .500 picking who wins the games. Give yourself a challenge.

spreads are shit. they were invented to make betting on football more profitable for bookies. If I can pick the winner and offer a correct brief description I'm well within my ability. If you want spreads, go blow Nick Bakay.

If you're too afraid to do the spread, don't post your win/loss record, then. As I said before, it's very easy to just pick the winners. That's why, yes, bookies instituted a spread, because you don't have to know much about the game to correctly pick who's going to win a game more often than you aren't.

Not to beat a dead horse...there is a tuck rule and I am fine with it. The major problem is the way the rule is written. The Snow Bowl game in particular, the ball was as tucked as it possibly could be. Brady had it in both hands while the ball was into his chest. How in the world is that not a tucked ball? Nobody can explain it. All people like to do is read an unclear rule while forgetting what happened during the play.

The thing that pisses me off the most is Walt fucking Coleman (the head official for the game). Following the game, when asked to explain what it would have taken for the original fumble ruling to stand, Walt Coleman's response was "He would have had to have brought it all the way in and got it all the way underneath his arm in order for it to be a fumble." So where in the rules does it state this? So the guy who officiated the game is making up his own set of rules. Steve Young even said that over the years he'd been over the rule with refs during training camp and was told that contact with the non-throwing hand constituted a tuck. So in the end it seems like nobody really knows what completes a tuck.

You could say that but what about saying they made the play. C-Wood smoked Brady's ass and Biekert recovered it. Game over. The ref's completely altered the momentum of the game in the aftermath.

You can go on and on about Gruden but you can't take away his Super Bowl and 4 Division titles. He hasn't done as good a job lately and has staled the past few years but all i'm saying is he's still a good coach. All coaches have their ups and downs. His finest work wasn't winning the Super Bowl either. It was completely turning the Raiders around and giving them the stability they lacked since the early 90's. I guess that doesn't count anymore. And failing to make the playoffs 2 years in a row and then winning a Division title isn't declining every year.

Mike Nolan, career 5 wins? You must read Peter King way too often. I'd agree on Fox.

What the fuck are you getting on with? I was talking about Belichick. So you can screw off with getting my head out of Al Davis' ass, cause that's further from the truth. I'm not a member of the Handjobs for Mount Davis Fan Club.

Mike Nolan has shown a lot with some terrible talent on his team. Yeah, he's going to be good.

The Bears made a bunch of mental mistakes and still came away with the win thanks to Grossman. Sure he looked like Farve on that INT for the TD, but the runing game was going nowhere and he was under constant pressure.

Clark getting hurt is huge and no running game is a problem. But since teams want Grossman to beat them, and he is, that could change.

Sunday night should be great on Sunday Night Football. Home field advantage could be at stake.

He came up big when it he needed to but if you are trying to say he played a good game last time I checked more picks than TD passes isnt exactly great. If he hadn't have made such a bone head Farve like move he wouldnt have even needed to comeback. Oh yeah Farve just torched the supposed great Lions defense(in your mind anyways) guess that takes a little luster of Grossman's performance agaisnt them seeing you think Farve is so shitty.

my post is short so point out where I said he played a good game or inferred it. And while you are at that when did I say Det had a great defense?

Well, the Fins finally didn't lose a game. I can take the bag off my head for at least one week.

And with Houston next week they may look like an NFL offense. I guess with Houston being stupid and skipping on Bush they want that number 1 pick. The Oak/Hou game should decide the number 1 pick.

You said they won thanks to Grossman to me that implies you think he played well. I personally think they won once again because their defense forced a few turnovers As far as my comment how you think Detroit is so good, well i was probably exagerating a little but you did earlier on in thread point out how the seahawks couldnt score on them. So I guess I just read into that you thought the Lions defense was pretty good seeing you made a point to mention that they kept the defending NFC champs out of the endzone

I don't know the Titans are pretty shitty too.

They didn't win because of Thomas Jones. And while the defense made the big play they also were awful tackling today. Grossman won it in the 4th quarter.

As for the det/sea thing, in the first few weeks it's tough to say who will be the surprise teams. Some can turn it around in a season. Det. looked decent(on defense) and have since been torched. I didn't/don't think Detroit is a .500 team but they did play inspired in week one. That or Seattle isn't as good as last year.

Chicago beat their division opponents in the first 3 weeks. They aren't Super Bowl caliber yet but are getting close. They need to tighten up the tackling and get the run game in gear. And with the NFC not looking that great it should come down to homefield advantage.

Fair enough I still argue the defense won it due to them, forcing a turnover and giving him a shorter field to work with. I would actually disagree with you if they are superbowl caliber other than Seatle I really dont see any other teams beating them as of now. The NFC is not looking to impressive so far. The Panthers have been sucking the Giants are too inconsistent. Atlanta is ok but if a D coordinator schemes Vick right they are very beatable. That leaves the Bears and Seatle as ther favourites as of today in my mind.

GB's pass offense seems to be clicking - Jennings is getting better every week, Favre is playing within the system, Driver is his usual dependable self.

Obviously GB has its issues - and I'd still find it hard to move off my 6-10 prediction - but the 24 td passes is looking VERY do-able at this point. Or 18, as of this moment.

Favre also has looked VERY fired up out there - not like a guy who's doing it for the money or just hanging on for records, as some have suggested.

At the very least, Green Bay looks to be entertaining this year - which is a large step down from being GOOD, but it's better than a 3-yds-and-a-cloud -of-dust/keep it close so we only lose by 3 sort of approach.

After almost losing it earlier in the game, but that play was clutch. Overall #s/performance was pretty unimpressive aside from that throw, though.
Haven't looked at their entire sched, but the Bears appear to be pretty well set for no worse than 5-1 in the division (if the week 17 matchup for GB counts for anything, otherwise they might tank it), which is a nice leg-up towards getting homefield - Philly and Sea look like the only other real contenders for that.

May as well add the Bucs to the mix cause they couldn't even shut the door on the 0-2 panthers......on 3rd and 5 with 2 minutes to go Gruden actually called for a bomb which simms typically overthrew by a mile.

I don't know what ticks me off more -- Simms throwing to Galloway deep on a go route on 3rd and 5 when a first down ices the game, or the defense letting Jake Fucking Delhomme run for a first down on 4th and 7.

The good news is I've reached a sort of zen state about this season and see any wins as simply gravy.