Nazi Bitch Discovered: Hopefully Will be Executed Soon - Page 2

Funny, I've seen the whole association of the holocaust with the necessities of the war effort used recently as a tactic of holocaust denial. You know, the Germans were just doing to the Jews what we did with the Japanese, interning them for the purposes of military security. Horrific to see that perspective surface here.

Truth be told, the holocaust HURT the German war machine and it is a statement regarding the Nazi commitment to the Final Solution that supplies and personnel vital to the war effort were directed towards the strategically insignificant purpose of murdering women and children in already occuppied areas.

Like I said, it's not so much "forgetting" as it is "not getting it." I doubt Holocaust denial will ever be given any serious academic or popular credence in the West (in the Middle-East, it certainly seems on the rise), but there's a recontextualizing going on in this thread that's pretty troublesome.

Shmun (and you, to some degree, in that you implied that he had a point) seems to think that the Holocaust was simply another war crime - just another example of man's inhumanity to man, as if every instance of this is somehow equal in stature. This is really not the case. He also seems to think pursuing those who participated should be exempt simply due to age, and I think anyone with half an idea of what went on in the camps would dismiss this as either foolish, pacifistic naivete or out-and-out ignorance.

You also were under the impression that your average German was somehow oblivious to Nazi policy in 1944, and this is simply not true.

We have to be conscious not to let current policy of a country whose development came in response to the Holocaust color how we perceive the Holocaust, itself, because I seriously think that's what's going on a little here. Current U.S. policy towards Israel in the present probably has less to do with the Holocaust directly than it does with GWB's alleged jones for the Rapture, and I'm not convinced that the latter is even all that real a motivator.

I must have missed the day in history class when the Jews bombed the Reichstag.

Preferably alive, yes. It's called "thinking through your analogy so you don't come off as completely retarded".

I don't think anyone would debate that the Holocaust is the most horrific act of cruelty in modern times and quite probably in all of history. My point was merely that we ought not trivialize the many other incidents of terrible human suffering in WWII.

To be honest I haven't really done the research, but some documentaries I've seen (most recently Blind Spot) seem to suggest it is a possibility. If you could refer me to good resource on the subject I'd be much obliged.

As far as this woman is concerned, if it can be proven in court that she was a party to cruelty then she should receive an appropriately harsh sentence. Assuming that is that one can be tried for a crime committed decades earlier.

It should have no bearing on our perception of the event itself, but the Holocaust is undeniably a powerful presence in policy decisions and political discussions concerning Israel.

No one was doing that, so I'm not sure why it would have been brought up for any reason other than to undercut the impact of the Holocaust by faulty comparison. The other incidents of human suffering were wartime tragedies naturally brought on by nations in conflict. Does this excuse Hiroshima? No, but the events surrounding it are so vastly different that it has nothing to do with this conversation.

I'm not sure that a woman deluded enough to be Hitler's secretary during WWII is the best representative of the general populace of the time.

I don't have a single resource to cite, since this is what I consider common sense, but here's something to keep in mind: the Krystallnacht happened in '38 and involved about a thousand towns being purged of Jews, 30,000 Jews imprisoned, and countless synagogues set ablaze. It received international newspaper coverage, and the roundup of Jews didn't end there.

Consider how idiotic a citizen would have to be to miss something like this and then consider that we're talking about 1944, six years afterward.

One certainly can.

Yeah, but it's hardly the key at this point. I think our policy has a lot more to do with the fact that Israel is the sole "Western" (in a loose sense of the word) outpost in the East.

One of my friends grandmother is german, and escaped Germany towards the end of World War 2. She lives in total denial of the holocaust. She says she believes that it could not have happened because it was not common knowledge. Her basis is that since she did not know something like that was occuring, something that awful could not have happened. She hates Hitler and blames him for alot of things, but can not believe that German people would willingly run the camps. I imagine her view point is not totaly unique, that other Germans sorta looked away and pretended the Holocaust was not going on.

I wouldn't think that.

her age in no way puts her above prosecution for her crimes, and she should be tried for them all, but what purpose would executing and 80 year old woman serve? putting her in jail, house arrest, etc would certainly be a fitting punishment, although the worst sentence, at this point, is the attention she is getting as a nazi, both internationally, and more importantly, from her family. imagine growing up hearing about how your father/grandfather survived being a jew in nazi germany, only to find out after his death that your grandmother was, in fact, a nazi.

My Grandfather was in the Army during WWII and was captured and put in a German POW camp....He nearly died in the camp due to a illness that ended with him having the majority of his stomach removed....He told me about how the Nazis would wake the prisoners up....They would open the doors and release the guard dogs into the room....He told me that the nazis showed no mercy and that one time, even with running a high fever and being near death he had to jump thru a window in order to escape being attacked by the dogs.

I say put her on trial.

Bullshit. The average American doesn't know shit about US policy and Israel. You guys are right. People simply don't seem to get the holocaust anymore. I seriously shudder to think of what my generation thinks of it. Probably "It was bad and stuff...".

Uhhh...I agree, but not based on your vaguely related anecdote about your grandfather.

She should be put on trial for her possible (and very likely) crimes, y'know, not the crimes of others in similar situations.

No she shouldn't be put on trial for the things other Nazis did....But unless somehow the nazis forced her into being a guard then she should be held accountable for her actions.

Yeah, I know, but the way you presented your 2 cents made it seem like "My grandpa had a horrible experience during WWII 'cause of a camp like the lady apparently was a guard at, so that's why I think they should try her." rather than basing it on the facts of her particular case. I'm sure it wasn't your intention, but the progression of your statements made it out that way.

I only brought up what happend to my Grandfather because someone had mentioned earlier that is wasn't a big deal because the lady in question just walked a Guard dog at the camp.....My Grandfather said that most of the guys in his camp were scared shitless of anyone walking a guard dog because apparently they would turn the dogs loose on them just for fun.

I'm not saying that she should be put on trial for the things that other guards did to my grandfather....But the odds are she either did something that resulted in the harm or death of someone or knew of the atrocities happening and turned a blind eye to it.....and for that she should be held accountable.

Well if you want to split hairs - the average American who regularly reads the newspaper.

Any news on this?

I know she has been departed and that she has given up the plot she reserved for herself next to her husband.

Whats happening now?