Dane Cook is... - Page 3

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This is pretty much where I stand with Cook, too. I found some things amusing in Vicious Circle, but was struck at how lazy his act has become now, and the first episode of Tourgasm alone helped kill the rest of the love I had for this dude. The joke stealing never even entered the picture.

My tastes in comedy have shifted to the cleaner, less affected guys anyway. Hedburg was set to rule that genre, but I think Demetri Martin is doing an aces job with it right now. Guy's probably my new fave.

Touche.

Let me rephrase...a comedian cannot be successful over a long period of time with a shitty delivery.

Of course the article could have been wrong. It could have been the product of a calculating smear campaign by Louis CK to undermine Dane Cook's success. But it's also possible that Cook, a comedian known entirely for style over substance, lifted a couple of jokes from CK, who has had more success as a writer than a performer, and has been on the scene quite a bit longer. In the interest of not being fucking stupid, one must from time to time apply Occam's Razor to make assumptions lacking 100% perfect information.

... or you just reserve judgement until you do have that information.

The joke stealing debate will go on, but as far as taste in comedians - I"m not sure if you can ever settle that. Comedy is very personal and fickle.

I think Louis CK writes great material, but I find his delivery to be very dry. I find that Cook can make me laugh sometimes, but he is very much a style over substance comedian.

I'm not sure if there will ever be an end to this deabte.

BTW, I agree with Micah. Hedburg was gonna blow up HUGE. It so sucks taht he was lost to the world of substance abuse.

...or you go with the evidence that is presented until you have something that conflicts with it. You don't give equal weight to the evidence you are presented with and hypothetical evidence that you think could exist. Unless you're stupid.

Edit: Hedburg was the bomb.

About Hedberg we can all agree

Yes. That he is dead.

(Too soon?)

Quarant, your kind of a douche here. First of all, thank or at least acknowledge the logic lesson Schwartz just provided you with, instead of ignoring it. Secondly on the subject of you ignoring things, when you reference the evidence of Cook's thievery don't leave out the part where I said this :

"The audio from CK was off his cd from 2001, then Dane told the same jokes in 2003. "

http://www.redban.com/blogy/?p=51

Do you think Redban is lying? When anyone could easily check the cd and show? At least check the cd and show yourself before you don't believe it's true. And btw fyi, CK has been around since about 1988.

???

Craig Ferguson. Anyone who's ever been within 500 feet of Drew Carey is not going to be funny.

I saw dane cook about 3-4 years ago at carolines comedy club in nyc, he was actually really fucking funny(his comedy was new to me), and after he was done, he sat down and pretty much drank with whomever stopped by and said hi, so I'm pretty much a fan

Anyway, his comedy has nothing to do with political or sociological issues about our culture, besides even he did have shows about that, theres no way he can be as funny or revelant as colbert or stewart, so he rambles on and on about crap that could happen in everyday life(i.e. shitting on coats, grandma is a cheating whore), or nonsensical shit like putting your cashew on the tip of penis and shooting it in your mouth lke a sling shot, or smelly vaginas(which by far is the funniest to me)

It's extremely subjective humor, love it or hate it, I love it

Dude, I suggest you actually look at my posts carefully before calling me a douche. Firstly, I'm not saying that CK stole from Cook, in fact I think that's really unlikely. What I'm saying is this: I'm giving Cook the benefit of the doubt. I don't deny that I'm a fan, and maybe it's that fact that makes me more keen to side him than to proclaim his guilt. But even looking at it objectively, I don't think the evidence against Cook is rock-solid. Except for three soundclips that Salon themselves admit could have been a coincidence, everything else is just conjecture about what Cook and CK did and didn't say and accusations from Joe Rogan(!), who is claiming that Cook stole from him, not CK. Thievery and mudslinging aren't the only two possible reasons for those soundclips, and as I said a few posts above, I'm reserving judgement. I certainly haven't made up my mind and told myself that he didn't steal those bits, but I'm also not as convinced as you are that he did. Simple as that Mr. Miyagi

If you say so.

Consider me out of the Late Night loop for the most part. I was pretty sure you weren't talking about Conan (they are on different networks, right?), but I just wanted to make certain.

Conan is good, but you're missing nothing with the Ferguson show, and you're doing yourself an enormous favor by never watching Carson Daly's horrific show that comes on at 2 in the morning.

Quarant, so you stand 50/50 on OJ killing his wife too then I guess. Nothing is certain, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't ever lean one way when there is evidence involved. If a guy breaks into your house with an axe maybe he just wants to chop some wood for you, no need to jump to conclusions there.

If only you were funny...

yeah good one, still holding a grudge over the Bruce Lee thing huh.

I actually like Craig Ferguson. His Monologues are better than Conan's, at any rate. The jokes about celebrities, which even Conan admits are usually the same punchline over and over again, aren't as fun as Craig's stories and insights. To be fair, though, if I'm up that late I'll usually switch to NBC after the monologue.

Actually, no. But you were a twat in that thread.

You're pretty quick with the name calling while Quarant is reasonable and still debating.

You're putting yourself and whatever you say way under him, no matter how right you are.

This part of you assessment is not true. Rogan says Cook stole from CK. Below is link to Rogan's own message board discussing it.

http://forums.joerogan.net/showthrea...ight=Dane+Cook

Posts #8 and #10 are from Rogan himself.

I guess the most telling things to me are that Rogan is just as quick to point out who doesn't steal as to who does. In addition, for as many times as Rogan has called out Robin Williams and Dennis Leary, both in print and verbally, why have neither come after him for both slander and libel? Surely both have enough power and money to crush Rogan. I'm thinking it could be because they don't have a defense to his claims.

My mistake. Wikipedia says that Rogan's claims are regarding himself, not CK. Thanks for clearing that up.

Saw the title and thought this was like an SAT question, like:

Dane Cook is to _________ as Jeff Buckley is to Leonard Cohen.

Joke-thief or no, Cook has accomplished something I never thought would happen: he made me come down on the same side of an argument as Miyagi. Whodathunk?

This is retarded, if you read this thread and came out thinking that Quarant was being reasonable as compared to say me, schwartz, and others then I don't think you have a grip on reason. The logic he was trying to use had major gaps in it and he was ignoring things like dates of cds in a conversation about who came up with the material first. I said he was being kind of a douche and explained why, big fucking deal, what are you a 85 year old conservative who doesn't want anyone to use the lord's name in vain. Fuck that bullshit, sometimes name calling has a purpose and here's why, when soembody thinks they know what they're talking about and kind of have a little attitude about it while actually not knowing what they're talking about, if you inoffensively explain why they're wrong then they have the option of a)ignoring you like they're still right and b) realizing they're wrong and moving on but never acknowledging that they were wrong and just learned something. And both a) and b) shouldn't ever happen especially if they had any kind of righteous attitude originally, thus some kind of name calling is used. Nobody is above being called a shithead from time to time.

This is hilarious dude... You think you have some sort of monopoly on logic, while I'm being completely unreasonable by keeping open the possibility that Cook isn't a plagiarist?! I had a feeling someone was gonna bring up OJ, and that's completely wrongheaded going by the strength of the evidence alone. But whatever.

You obviously think I should see some obvious guilt in the evidence as it's presented. I don't. Cook should have called Rogan out? Yeah, maybe he should've. Maybe it's a sign that he's guilty. Or maybe he just doesn't want to give that macho asshole the time of day. I don't know. You think you do.

I stated that you're quick to insult instead of using your brains, unlike Schwartz and the others. Insult if the other guy is an ass. Quarant was not.

Go re-read the thread and learn about nuance.

Cook stole material. Fine. Quarant condemned that.

He likes Cook. Fine. Get over it

You're the last creature on earth that should be giving logic lessons to anyone. You're certainly not interested in listening to anyone except your own ass. Grow the fuck up.

Yeah they're troglodytes allright. I put that there not as an endorsement of Rogan or his fans just as an example of an actual direct statement from him.

Rogan has called Robin Williams a joke thief and basically says that Williams through many years has built himself a reputation amongst stand-up comedians as being a guy who will steal from other comics in a heartbeat. I believe I read that in a Playboy interview with Rogan.

Savage and Quarant, you both have too hard of a time admiting you're wrong and changing you're mind. Quarant, it is reasonable to keep open the possibility that Cook didn't steal but it should only be considered a very small possibility given the evidence, which isn't exactly at OJ levels but is still very damning, 2001 vs. 2003, multiple jokes copied, doesn't deny it at all, and like Rogan was saying they're both from Boston and Dane came up watching CK perform many times. Savage, I'm interested in listening to anyone who backs up what they say with legitimate logic and evidence, you basically make statements without backing them up.

Man, I watched Dennis Miller's last standup special on HBO last night, and he stole a lot of his bits from Carl Rove. Uncool.

[Then again if that idiot Irishman can follow Letterman, anythings possible.[/QUOTE]

Craig Ferguson is not Irish. Do people still mistake Scotch accents for Irish ones? Is that still possible?

True. Williams is funny pretty much everywhere he is, improv or not.

What am I not admitting ? I never changed my mind about the fact that you're a complete moron who got abused behind the shed by your uncle when you we're a kid.

I am only aware of 4 comedians out of however many are currently working that Rogan has called out as joke thieves. What of the more successful comics that Rogan goes on record as saying are not thieves? Specifically Rock, Chappelle, Attell, etc. I know you don't like Rogan, hell I'm not a big fan either, but 4 out of scads more successful comedians doesn't seem to suggest a pattern of jealousy.

Joke stealing is not a rare occurance. The problem is there is no penalty really, other than having other comics not like you. Most fans don't know and in a lot of cases don't care.

Dane's new standup act (courtesy of mangyk9 in the youtube thread)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBcAiCiKYtk

When you get punk'd by MadTV, you suuuuck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf94cwmC66g

who is dane cook?

CHUD's punching bag