Dane Cook is... - Page 2

Can't say that I agree with this. I think that Cook's delivery is his main strength and the reason he's so well known. The guy's got a lot of class-clown energy. He's the Bozo (see Feast) or the Jackass at the party who gets all the attention. I've never heard of Louis CK (until now) and I bet many other people haven't heard of him either (atleast compared to Cook's notoriety).

That's kinda the whole point.

This should not be enough for audiences over the age of fourteen.

In summary, Louis CK's material is funny, and his delivery is pretty good too in my opinion. But LCK is not a big hit, however when Cook tells the same joke (maybe a little bit worse actually) with the delivery of a overly enthusiastic class clown idiot he become a big hit. So what a massive amount of people really respond to is the enthusiastic class clown delivery not even the hacked material, which makes them gullible morons with bad senses of humor.

I just watched a segment from Cook's Vicious Circle routine on YouTube. It took a full 2:46 seconds before he got to the first line that could be considered an honest-to-god punchline. Everything that came before that was an "insight" like:

"I love movies. I love going to the movies. I don't even call them movies. I call them CINEMATIC ADVENTURES."

(Cue the crowd screaming laughter.)

Seriously, you could transcribe most of Cook's stand-up routine, and if you didn't note the audience reactions, you would literally have no idea which lines were jokes and which weren't.

He's just That. Fucking. Bad.

Cinematic Adventures....what a curveball, now that sounds really interesting. Kind of like a relationSHIT! hey-ooooooh.

The Salon article loses me the moment they compare Cook to Louis CK and actually say that CK has a better delivery and funnier lines... If you want to demonstrate Cook's shortcomings, dont go comparing him to someone who is the definition of an average comedian

But if he fails to meet that standard, doesn't it demonstrate his shortcomings even more?

Louis CK has great delivery and is an above average comedian. He's not one of the all-timers, but he's goddamned hilarious.

It absolutely does, except that Cook's delivery is one of his strong points. He's got an interesting way with words and an infectious enthusiasm, even if you think that his jokes are lackluster - which I dont.

CK on the other hand is supremely bland and pretty much like every other second rate comedian who's popped his head up in the last couple of years. My point was that whoever wrote that Salon article praised CK's delivery while heaping shit on Cook's. Kinda loses credibilty for me right there...

Look, I haven't seen the HBO special nor Tourgasm, so I'm judging Cook entirely on the standup CDs that I've heard. Lots of really good comedians (such as Conan O'Brien) have been cottoned on to by the "frat boy" contingent, but that doesn't mean that they're morons or that the comedy's automatically crap. Cook's comedy is definitely safe, but he's got an interesting view and a cool delivery. A couple of months back, other people on this site thought so too.

So wait, the stolen jokes are funny, but because Cook's audience find Dane's delivery better, they have bad senses of humor? I'm confused. Are the jokes funny or not? Or does the idea of Dane being a joke-thief make him unfunny in your eyes? Or the fact that he managed to become popular & mainstream?

Frankly, much of comedy is in the delivery. I'm confused. What are you getting at? The audience may be immature, but many immature entertainers (see JACKASS) aim for that demographic.

So, are the stolen (POV) jokes not funny, or is his delivery not funny?

Agreed.

Louis CK used to write for Conan and Chris Rock and directed and co-wrote Pootie Tang. Dane Cook hasn't done any of those things.

... and he wrote Down to Earth.

What's your point? Lots of talented comedians end up working on the occasional less-than-hilarious comedy. Cook is already not an exception.

No point really. I just thought Down to Earth sucked.

If someone is stealing jokes, who gives a fuck whether his delivery is better or worse? HE'S STEALING JOKES.

More like Star Wars fans. Browncoats atleast have quality to back up their fanaticism.

You're substituting a worse analogy for a bad analogy.

Plagiarism is a pretty big accusation. I listened to the audio clips. If we reversed the order, I could make the argument that Dane was robbed. Do we have times and dates of recordings to back up the evidence? If he's guilty, then Yes, it's pretty shitty.

I can reasonably see that jokes (like web memes) could evolve simultaneously in parallel development/s.

Incidentally, this isn't a jab to pick a fight, just food for thought.

What?! The guy who wrote Pootie Tang would never steal...

Pootie Tang does not deserve this scorn.

Sa da tay.

First of all, there's no way Louis CK hacked fucking Dane Cook, CK probably told those jokes in 1995, he's been around forever, that would be like Bill HIcks hacking Dennis Leary. But about the quote here, the jokes that Dane stole from CK are marginally funny nothing special, and the fact that Dane had to steal them is pathetic. But not quite as pathetic as the people who didn't care when Louis CK told them but think they are really hilarious when Cook does because of his retarded, enthusiastic, arrogant delivery. It shows what bad sense of humor having gullible pawns they are. It's like passing up on a certain item at a store when a calm friendly salesman tells you the basics about it, but then when a pushy, obnoxious, douchebag salesman says the same shit you're like "wow, I'll buy ten."

Quarant, you would buy ten.

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Back to the topic: Dane cook is way over rated

Can we make it an "even" baker's dozen?

CK probably told those jokes in '95? That's a rock-solid argument. I hope you're being called up as state's witness. I did see Cook playing Montreal in '97. But yeah, '95 is two years before that.

As for the delivery thing... The fact that Cook manages to make that (admittedly lousy) material kind of entertaining, actually demonstrates what a good comedian he is. A charismatic delivery is important and how the fuck could you possibly argue with that? Anyone can tell a joke, but it takes talent to tell one well. Guess CK should have stuck to writing.

His cheeseball delivery only works on gullible douches who have bad senses of humor. A lot of retarded shit is popular because there's a big dumb audience out there. I guess Foxworthy's delivery is really "talented" too because he's very successfull. I mean, I'm cool with people with bad senses of humor having a laugh in their spare time, I just don't want to hear about it as if it's actually good, or talented, or some bullshit like that.

The audio from CK was off his cd from 2001, then Dane told the same jokes in 2003.

http://www.redban.com/blogy/?p=51

Louis CK has been in the comedy business for ages and doesn't need to steal jokes from Dane Cook. Dane Cook is wildly popular and successful and doesn't need fans to defend his honor on the internet. This is the lamest argument since Macs vs. PCs, which was worse even than Star Trek vs. Star Wars.

Being a thief is undefendable, though, so you're wrong.

Was anyone else who bothered to watch SNL last week irked by his material in the monologue? Besides not being funny, it was a whole routine about people who say things that bring other people down. On the show that had the recurring "Debbie Downer" sketch? Bad move, regardless of which one had the idea first. And just because Rachel Dratch is gone doesn't make it all right.

I don't think that Family Matters was ever viewed as the standard of comedy for anyone.

I'd say Larry the Cable Guy is fairly offensive, if only to gays. And Arabs. And blacks. And whites.

But you see, that's the thing... I dig Cook. I think he's funny, but I'm not under the impression that he's God's gift to comedy or something, just a fun diversion. What fucks me off the most is the fact that near the beginning of the year (or maybe last year), there were a couple of threads on the forum dedicated to him and pretty much every post went something like "Oh thanks man, what a find... Yeah, this Cook guy's a fuckin genius. I hope he gets the popularity he deserves." But now that he's actually made it big and gotten himself some real success, people are complaining that he's the opiate of the unwashed humorless masses and that people like Louis fucking CK are the real undiscovered talent out there. And yeah maybe his fans are irritating, but god knows I've wanted to sucker-punch a Chris Rock fan once or twice in my life... And not only that, but suddenly all rules of innocent until proven guilty are thrown out the window, and people find it all too easy to believe that he actually knowingly stole a couple of shitty jokes to make up 2 minutes in his act, when he's got ten fucking years of decent material behind him. I don't get it, that's all.

I don't see why this bothers you. CHUD is not some kind of entity with an official standing on anything, least of all stand-up comics. Threads are potentially populated with and written by hundreds of different people. I mean this is not a reversal on the scale of Iraq not having WMDs, this is a few people writing about how they like a comedian, and then later a few others writing about how they don't.

And mammals.

The people who liked him before are a bit turned off by his blatant ripping off of other people's material. Yeah, comics riff on the same topics a lot, but he stole those jokes in their entirety.

You want to know how we know that he ripped those jokes off? Cook blogs on his website all of the time and this is something that's pretty well known now. If he hadn't done it, there'd be some kind of defense on his part. Accoding to Cook's Wikipedia page, CK has even commented on it. If he had been the one ripping off the jokes, you had best believe he'd keep his mouth shut about the whole thing.

As for why more people don't like him now? That's simple - he's more well known. Not that people don't like him just because he's famous (though there are some people who will do that), but that they didn't know about him before. When he released his first disc, it was very popular among stand-up fans, but he wasn't a household name. Now that he is, more people hear his stuff and either do or don't like it.

Hey, what's the deal with airplane food? I mean, come on!

Plus his follow-up material to his first CD blows.

Louis CK has been a great, inventive stand-up comic for many years. Annoying to see him getting trashed in this thread. By one silly dude. But still.

I think Cook can be funny. But, like I said before, he seems to be getting less so as he spreads himself thinner. He's having huge success and only seems to want to get bigger and bigger. The jokes seem to have gone out the window. Now it seems like he's doing a show of stomping around, punching certain words. Shrugs. Maybe he'll throw over the comedy act for a movie career and spare us Tourgasm: II. I honestly don't know how you can watch that show and come away still a fan.

I actually started not digging him as much before that show - when I realized how much he must have studied Brian Regan, who I love. Plus, the laughter on his double cd sounds piped in. Like he recorded in a studio and they added the laughs later. Anyone else notice this?

I love his pop-tart bit (which incidentally is always cut short to go to commercial on Comedy Central).

Any word on a Comedy Central dvd/cd set for him?
This is all I could find:
http://stores.musictoday.com/store/d...id=5125&sfid=2

Brian Regan's site: http://www.brianregan.com/

Cook always strikes me as a bit lazy -- instead of being funny, he mentions something that the audience finds funny and let's them do the legwork:

"You ever have a really bad relationship?" (nods knowingly while audience goes nuts)

I would just like to point out that regardless of the speciific people involved, hearing about an article accusing one person stealing from another (I'm assuming Quarant and Darkmites didn't actually read it), and approaching it with the view that it's just as likely that the victim ripped off the accused isn't even-handed, it's fucking stupid.

No, I finally read some of the other stuff (and since when did the fact an article appears on the internet constitute it as fact?). I haven't been doing any defending since more evidence was presented. I conceded. I asked for more proof (dates on the material) and got it. That's why I originally stated:
I find him funny (apologies to the comedic upper-crusts of CHUD) & I hadn't heard about the accusations until this thread.
The Salon article doesn't list any recording dates. Only this:
Not quite damning evidence. I'm not "fucking stupid"... I merely wanted facts, not possible coincidences or unsubstantiated opinions.

EDIT: to clarify some thoughts

Stealing material is a shitty thing. And if Cook did do then it seriously sucks. I'd never defend that. But I guess i just dont find 3 sound clips (of which at least one is tenuously tied in at best), a wikipedia entry about what CK didn't say and Joe Rogan's word to be as damning as the rest of you do..

Oh, and CK writes decent material. His delivery is ass.

It's certainly subtle and about as far away as you can get from Cook's. Louis CK is certainly not the kind of comedian that's going to "dazzle" an audience or play to a stadium, but that's somehow a mark against him? He makes me laugh. He's got his own style - which I don't think is ass.

It's nowhere near ass. His delivery is fucking great. No comedian can be successful with a shitty delivery.