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So, what's on your mind for this season? Let's talk roundball. Every team has their own issues...

ATLANTIC DIVISION
New Jersey- While these guys were manhandled in the postseason after running away with a weak division, the young, cheap bench they put together in the offseason is bound to keep guys fresher for the playoffs. People are talking a lot about this Mile Ilic kid, and Marcus Williams may have been the best point guard in the draft. They may not be Eastern champions and they still don’t have the double-digit rebounder they need (though free agent Bonzi Wells would be GREAT coming off this bench), but they’re still near the top of the conference.

Toronto- The only thing keeping Toronto from entering the .500 realm is coach Sam Mitchell. He’s the wrong guy, and he’s been there for, what, four years? All he does is alienate young players, even if many that the Toronto front office have given him have been difficult malcontents. Once these guys begin 0-10, expect him to be replaced by a real coach, and from that point, they may put together a real season, even if number one pick Andrea Bargnani doesn’t pan out. With TJ Ford and Fred Jones in the backcourt, this is gonna be a fast squad, though if Bargnani turns out to be a player, they can go big with Mo Peterson (who was automatic after the All-Star break) at shooting guard and a frontcourt of Bargnani, Rasho Nesterovic and soon-to-be All-World Chris Bosh. This is the year Bosh enters the annual MVP race.

Philadelphia- Looks like another mediocre year in Philadelphia. It’s impossible for this team to build with the $20 million annual salaries of both Allen Iverson and Chris Webber, and none of the younger players ever get the ball from these two. Supposedly, they are moving Iverson back to shooting guard, but the only real point man on this roster is Kevin Ollie- not like a movie would make a difference anyway. It’s hard not to win quite a few games when two players often account for sixty points, fifteen rebounds and fifteen assists, but due to chemistry issues, this might become an ugly year.

Boston- Boston has really accumulated a cadre of young players, but this plan just has not panned out. It’s not as if Danny Ainge has been acquiring a sea of Quentin Richardsons and the like to start over these guys- they’ve been given every chance to break the lineup. And here we are, beginning another year where Paul Pierce is expecting someone to emerge as a reliable second scoring threat. Wally Szczerbiak is still a solid shot, but he’s not a difference maker. Occasionally, power forward Al Jefferson shows flashes, but he isn’t strong enough and always gets beat on defense. And now undersized Sebastian Telfair becomes the new “point guard of the future”. This team has been running on expectations for a long time now, but its hard to maintain them going into this season.

New York- A three guard rotation of Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis and Jamal Crawford is unstoppable, and Jalen Rose will have plenty of options from the point forward positions. And with the marksmanship of Quentin Richardson and all-out hustle of Eddy Curry, it’s hard to see these guys lose a game. Just kidding- these guys are awful, and I wouldn’t trust Isiah Thomas to coach a scowl out of Michelle Rodriguez. Maybe they’ll have a better record than last year, but they’ll be a generally worse, more depressing, and far less interesting team.

CENTRAL DIVISION
Chicago- The best defensive team in the league just added the Defensive Player of the Year in Ben Wallace. Their shortcoming remains their lack of a post scorer, though they may end up counting on Luol Deng for that- this guy is going to be their MVP. There’s a great mix and a nice nucleus that’s been together for a couple of years now, and after last year’s hiccup, I think they have a chance to be the team to beat in the Eastern Conference, at least until the playoffs.

Cleveland- If only Tony Stark and Reed Richards ran the Cleveland front office. Then they could produce an all-LeBron James lineup that would surely go 82-0. Last year was encouraging, as Cleveland made it to Game Seven versus Detroit, and even though they added no significant pieces (they could use something more substantial at the point- Eric Snow is getting up there in age) they could easily compete again this year. The problem is injuries, or maybe lack thereof. Their bench is too skinny for the team to stay afloat if formerly fragile Zydrundas Ilgauskas goes down, though it’s noted that they played a lot better last year while shooting guard Larry Hughes was out. Hughes’ slashing style doesn’t complement James very well, and his erratic shooting and lunging defensive style cost them.

Detroit- Hard to believe a 64 win team could end up the next year in third place, but its certainly a possibility. This is the year Detroit’s lack of depth is going to hurt them. If Nazr Mohammed can’t get it done at center, and there’s not much evidence to say he can, they’ll move Rasheed Wallace there and drop Tayshaun Prince to the power forward spot. But then who fills the forward spot in the starting lineup? Detroit has high hopes for reserve Antonio McDyess now that Ben Wallace is gone, but you can’t count on him for more than thirty minutes of playing time. Worth noting- this is Chauncey Billups’ contract year.

Milwaukee- This is a good team. Unfortunately coach Terry Stotts is not the right guy for them. Their play last season was erratic, and they really had no stout defensive schemes to speak of, which, combined with some hellacious rebounding stats, left them out of many games. This year they’ve bulked up with Andrew Bogut flanked by Charlie Villanueva and a combo of Bobby Simmons and Ruben Patterson, which on paper suggests a strength. But Villanueva still doesn’t care enough about defense and fades on the boards, while Simmons has regressed as a scorer and Patterson, a defensive stalwart, is never a sure thing. Plus, Maurice Williams isn’t a proven starter, as he has yet to exhibit a clean bill of health for a full year.

Indiana- Rick Carlisle is too conservative a coach to ever bench Stephen Jackson in favor of new acquisition Marquis Daniels, but Jackson’s approach is typical to the quagmire this team has been the last two years. He’s an unmotivated defender and has poor shot selection. He’d be a perfect sixth man, but he’ll be paired in the starting lineup with another career loser, Al Harrington, who’s probably the least impactful 20 ppg scorer in history. Supposedly there will be at least some lineup tinkering this year, as Carlisle is moving Jermaine O’Neal to center to start Charmin-soft Harrington at the four and move Danny Granger into the starting lineup. Admirable, sure, but These three are going to need someone to get them the ball, and oft-injured Jamaal Tinsley has exhausted his goodwill. Supplanting him with Marquis Daniels seems like a good idea, but you’re taking a scorer out of the weak bench corps, and even then, Daniels would only be a stopgap point guard. Expect a deal or two to be made.
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SOUTHEAST
Washington- They’ve been playing well together for awhile now, and with Miami likely taking it easy on Shaquille and Dwyane in preparation for the postseason, it’s not hard to see Washington surpassing fifty wins. Gilbert Arenas is pretty much a one man team, and while Antawn Jamison is good for 19 and 9, Caron Butler came alive in the second half, and with a bigger role in the offense (and, consequently, the defense), he could boost this team to the upper echelon. As every team, they have an issue with post scoring (to the point where they gave Darius Songaila $21 million- seriously?), but if they stay healthy, not many other teams can keep up in the open court.

Miami- Expect Pat Riley to be a bit looser, letting Shaq and Dwyane Wade have a few more days off than usual. In some ways, it would be like giving Antoine Walker the keys to the car. Considering I wouldn’t even literally give Antoine Walker the keys to my car, this move will probably lead to a questionable record and ignorant media speculation, but in the long run, Miami will be poised for another serious postseason. But there’s no shortage of hungry competitors, so it’s doubtful another championship is in the cards, and if Miami makes it to the Finals, they will not be a well-rested or energized team.

Orlando- There are a lot of if’s surrounding this ballclub, but after trading away Steve Francis, they had the best finish in franchise history. A lot of that comes from the surprise acquisition of Darko Milicic. Though gunshy, he slid comfortably into the rotation as a superior shot-blocker and passer, and together with behemoth Dwight Howard, they form a surprisingly intimidating inside combo. If Orlando wants to make the playoffs, though, they need more production from their two and three positions. A healthy return from Grant Hill would go a long way, but so would a LeBron James clone, so until then, Orlando has to rely on rookie JJ Redick, Keyon Dooling and Hedo Turkoglu.

Atlanta- They continue to draft for what can loosely be constructed as their “strengths”, so every Atlanta move is a peculiarity. This is Joe Johnson’s team, true, but the four best players reside at small forward (Josh Childress and Josh Smith- neither can shoot) and power forward (Marvin Williams and Shelden Williams- neither has bulked up enough). The Hawks will improve because of the signing of Speedy Claxton, entrenching him and Johnson as starters at their particular guard positions, but the team has yet to shore up their defense, outside shooting and fourth quarter execution- second in the league turnovers, the Hawks are a walking endgame disaster.

Charlotte- Baby steps. For the first time in franchise history, the Bobcats have an actual starting lineup. But this team is young and they need to learn how to play together. Emeka Okafor should provide a solid anchor and complement rookie Adam Morrison well- Morrison will probably be the top rookie scorer. And Raymond Felton finally usurped Brevin Knight of the starting point guard position late last year. Things are looking up, but they’re gonna need a system, and with Michael Jordan in place as an executive, you know they’re going to, ah, take their time.

SOUTHWEST
Dallas- While the Mavs made the Finals last year, they did it with some players only recently finding their place in the rotation. Josh Howard begins this year as the clear-cut starter at small forward, while Jason Terry becomes the new shooting guard, supplanted at the point by Devin Harris. Off the bench, they’re hoping for an injury-free campaign to their official sixth man, Jerry Stackhouse. And of course there’s Dirk Nowitski- don’t think teammates forgot the criticism he lobbied at them during the postseason (though, as always, Erick Dampier might have).

San Antonio- The era of Spurs dominance may be over, but only because other teams have improved so much. They still have some solid pieces, and if healthy, they have enough depth and talent to win fifty again. Still, they’ve downgraded their center position and Duncan is relying on Francisco Elson and Jackie Butler to draw away double teams by hitting the midrange shot. It may be time for San Antonio to acquire a young big body for grooming when Duncan starts to fade, but those are in short supply, and they might need to part with Manu Ginobili to make that happen. Being that Ginobili often tires out at the end of the year, it might be a decent idea to deal him, but for what?

New Orleans- Chris Paul is ready to lead this team into the postseason. Bringing in Peja Stojakovic gives this team a solid scorer to form an inside-outside combo with David West, and Tyson Chandler gives them a respectable rebounder and shot-blocker who can still grab as many rebounds as his age. There’s still a hole in the swing position- Desmond Mason hasn’t been the same since an elbow injury a year ago- but the Hornets have backcourt depth with super sub Bobby Jackson and a chance to bring along lottery picks Hilton Armstrong and Cedric Simmons slowly. The offseason represented a major revamp, and Paul is only in his second year, so there may be some growing pains, but this is a threatening team in the Western Conference.

Memphis- Every year, people rule this team out, and every year they prove critics wrong with a respectable, unremarkable year. Hard to see that discontinuing here, even with the acquisition of rookie Rudy Gay. By dealing Shane Battier for Gay, they were making a concerted effort to move away from the slow, grind-it-out style established by coach Mike Fratello. However, that was the style that best suited All-Star Pau Gasol, who had a career year in ’05-’06. Can Fratello embrace a faster style? Does he have the personnel? This isn’t a contending year as much as it’s a transition season, but they’re gonna need more youth than Gasol and Gay- backcourt Eddie Jones and Damon Stoudamire aren’t getting any younger and Mike Miller has seen better days. Plus, how many times is Memphis going to trust Stromile Swift as a starting center?

Houston- This Yao-McGrady combination is not working. It’s one thing or the other- Yao can’t play with a ballhawk like McGrady, McGrady’s back condition is chronic, there’s no salary cap space to bring in reliable supporting players, Yao is best in a halfcourt set while McGrady is better off running… whatever the case, this is the third year in which the Rockets are going to be counting on solid play from Juwan Howard. Last year, just as Yao was beginning to step his game up with McGrady on the sidelines, he broke his foot again and now he’s returning to a team with McGrady in no rush to dial down his number of shot attempts. Trading for Shane Battier was a good move because it could defuse any tensions that erupt in the locker room on this sinking ship, but this is a team that needs to be blown up.
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NORTHWEST
Utah- A healthy Utah team is extremely rare, but this squad is immensely talented. Deron Williams is developing into a solid point man, but Utah brought in a winner in Derek Fisher to back him up and light a fire under him. And a fire Utah needs- owner Larry Miller took several different occasions to verbally berate this team last year, particularly oft-injured Carlos Boozer. But at year’s end, Boozer was finally earning his money at center for a depleted team. Now he can finally join a healthy Andrei Kirilenko and Mehmet Okur in a peerless frontcourt, all players versatile enough to play any of the three positions. They’re going to throw rookie Ronnie Brewer into the fire at shooting guard, but they also still have Matt Harpring and Gordon Giricek. The entire team is brittle, but they’re one shaman doctor away from being a Western Conference superpower.

Denver- It’s still a mystery what caused George Karl to suspend Kenyon Martin for the length of the postseason. Plans to deal him went as well as the idea of dealing Nene a season ago, and again the Nuggets head into the new season with that frontcourt logjam. While that really isn’t much of a problem- none of these guys can stay healthy anyway- the attitude from Martin (angry), Nene (defiant about starting) and Marcus Camby (apathetic) is a problem, particularly when matched against the combustible Karl. Carmelo Anthony’s surliness isn’t anything worth ignoring, either. The Nuggets remain the league’s worst three point shooting team, and they seem intent on fixing that problem by sorting through the discount pile. While New Orleans may have been foolish to part with young JR Smith, the guy shoots below 40%. Hey, Bonzi Wells is still on the market.

Seattle- The same squad that finished last year near the dregs of the Western Conference has brought the band back together. Seattle was completely asleep at the wheel during this offseason, which can’t please franchise star Ray Allen. The only addition to the team was lottery pick Mouhamed Saer Sene, a seven footer who came off the bench for a second division Belgium (Belgiumish?) team. Seattle is hoping for internal improvement from young point guard Luke Ridnour and centers Robert Swift and Johan Petro, but it was the same story last year and they only won 35 games. The key will be Chris Wilcox, who woke from slumber after being acquired late last year and was a consistent double-double guy for Seattle.

Minnesota- Bringing in Mike James at the point won’t snap this team out of its funk, as he’s a guy who plays only for himself and doesn’t get teammates involved. But maybe this will get the depressed Kevin Garnett to stand up to slovenly teammates like him and showboating Ricky Davis, questionably poor decision maker Troy Hudson or inconsistent Eddie Griffin (who explained a car crash by blaming it on the porn playing on his car’s TV set). Coach Dwayne Casey didn’t seem to have any idea what he was doing, beginning the year with an emphasis on defense and ending it by pushing the ball with Marcus Banks and Rashard McCants on the wings. Banks, of course, wasn’t re-signed, while McCants was injured in the offseason and won’t be back until 2007.

Portland- Not one of the strongest teams in Portland’s storied history, but it’s a lot more promising than recent years. The main struggle seems to be between Nate McMillan and Darius Miles- Portland will do everything in their power to ditch him, which is why they’ve stockpiled their frontcourt with a number of bodies. Unfortunately, the longer promising players like rookies LaMarcus Aldridge and Brandon Roy play with Miles and surly Zach Randolph, the more likely they are to pick up bad habits. McMillan needs to be given the opportunity to mold a team of players that want to be there, and a lot of that will start in the clubhouse with the older members of the team, particularly Juan Dixon and Jamaal Magloire.

PACIFIC
Phoenix- The Suns have a lot of options if Amare Stoudemire returns from injury successfully, which should be a warning to the rest of the league. Phoenix hasn’t proven they can defensively place the clamps down on anyone, though shooting guard Raja Bell certainly made a name for himself taking on Kobe Bryant in the postseason and went a long way towards giving this formerly plucky crew a winning attitude. If this Phoenix squad is going to win the championship as presented assembled, this is their best opportunity.

Los Angeles Clippers- This offseason’s signing of Tim Thomas to a $24 million contract was an overpriced contingency plan and not last resort, which separates this Clippers team from promising squads of year’s past. It’s uncertain how much Sam Cassell will give them now that he’s got his big contract, but Shaun Livingston is ready to assume a bigger role and as presently constituted, this team might not miss a beat with him quarterbacking them. The biggest decision will likely revolve around Corey Maggette being a reliable scorer for them or a cancer- he doesn’t run plays well, and passing to him is like throwing the ball into a black hole. The Clippers played well while he was out with yet another injury last year, and he barely contributed to anything in the playoffs.

Sacramento- Every year the Kings have taken a step down to the point where they really don’t have much an identity anymore. Formerly a run-and-gun team, they’re going to have to become a halfcourt squad under Eric Musselman. This still isn’t much of a scoring team, even if Ron Artest is poised to have a breakout year- as long as he’s on the court, he’s easily one of the league’s best. They need to decide who’s a better fit at power forward- Shareef Abdur-Rahim was the starter, but when he got hurt, Kenny Thomas outperformed him as the team emerged from an early-season slump.

Los Angeles Lakers- Smush Parker? Vladimir Radmanovic? Sasha Vujacic? These are the names Phil Jackson is relying on this year. Everyone has been waiting on a twenty and ten year from Lamar Odom but it looks like he and the rest of this team has reached its ceiling. Like last year, this just isn’t a very good team, and even if Kobe Bryant averages a hundred points a game, it’s not going to strengthen this team’s lackluster rebounding, defense, three point shooting or basic talent level.

Golden State- Last year the team had everything in place to make a serious run and they flopped. They’re going about it again with the same cast, which has to be disconcerting. Baron Davis and Jason Richardson have yet to accomplish anything other than flashy stats, and Troy Murphy and Mike Dunleavy Jr. have yet to fully elevate their games to an All-Star level. The Warriors used their draft pick on a seven foot project in Patrick O’Bryant, meaning they only lost pieces during the offseason. Expect this team to be quickly blown up if they don’t have a fast start.
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No one was interested in Christian Laettener, so it looks like he's going to buy his way onto a roster... http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2612057

Shameless?
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the lakers are better than they were last year, they will make the playoffs again. nothing but a quantum leap in development from bynum and parker are going to make them serious contenders in the west... although they were 1 three pointer away from challenging the clips for a spot in the west finals last year.
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East

1 Pistons
2 Heat
3 Nets
4 Cavaliers
5 Bulls
6 Orlando
7 Wizards
8 Pacers

West

1 Dallas
2 Spurs
3 Suns
4 Lakers
5 Rockets
6 Hornets
7 Kings
8 Clippers

MVP Kobe bryant

I think the pistons will still be a consistent team in the regular season. I think the Bulls are still missing a low post player. They rely to much on guard play. I put the Lakers at #4 in the west because of how they played the last 25 games of last season. Usually with a complicated offense like the Triangle,it takes a full season to grasp it,then the following year,your able to click. Lakers remind me of the 1990 Bulls .
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Does anybody want Z-Bo or Miles? I'll give them away. Their great. I promise..wink wink..

Another long year for the Blazers. I am excited about Brandon Roy though.
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Originally Posted by B-Scott
Lakers remind me of the 1990 Bulls .
In terms of learning the triangle or talent?

No way Pistons are top team. Heat then either Chicago or Cleveland.
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lol, the Pistons will be good but hardly the best and the Heat are too old. I expect a changing of the gaurd in the form of either the Cavs or the Bulls. Damn I'm excited for basketball this year.
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He's got the Clippers too low, as well. Don't tell me that Tim Thomas won't be a significant upgarde. Although, could've been just a fluke last year. But trust me, they are going to be scary good this year. I think they liked the smell of the playoffs.

And I don't think that the Hornets improved that much. They'll be good, but they still play in the southwest, a murderous division. And it'll take that team some time to gel. If they were in the Northwest, maybe. The Rockets will be better with a hungry and healthy Yao.
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Lakers finished last season as one of the hottest teams in the NBA. Putting teams like Sacremento ahead of them. Your forgetiing Lamar and Kobe destroyed that team last year. Kobe owned Ron artest,and the Kings had no answer for Lamar odom in the post. Once LA used Lamar like Miami used him 3 yrs ago,in the post,thats when LA started playing well. Lamar in the post draws double teams,and that opens things up for the shooters. I think Kobe,Lamar,Radmanovik will be better then Seattle 2 years ago when they had Ray allen,Lewis,and Radmanovik. Allen and Lewis are basically just perimiter shooters.When you have 2 guys that can post up and draw double teams,it opens things up for everyone. Lamar and Kobe both can post up,and that will leave the shooters wide open. Radmanovik will get more open looks with this team,then he has ever had.

The Bulls in my opinion are overated. The pistons are underated. Detroit still has 3 ALL STARS in there starting lineup. Rip,Chauncey and Prince. Rasheed Wallace is ALL STAR caliber. Even without Ben wallace,they are still more talented then these 2 teams. Who is going to play in the post for the Bulls? Neither Ben or PJ Brown can post up. They will rely on guard play way to much. PPl forget ,a lot of times last season Flip Saunders went with Antonio Mcdyess and Rasheed up front,leaving Ben on the bench. Thats why ben was so upset. Detroit kept on winning .
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Let me begin: I am a laker fan.

Ok, the Lakers aren't going to do shit this year unless they get some help on that roster. Lamar Odom is a PERENNIAL underachiever and his one good year in Miami that got him a lot of money came when he was one of the top scoring options. On any other team, Lamar probably could do 20-10, but not on a Kobe team. In theory Lamar is the number 2 guy, in reality with Kobe on the team he is the equivalent of a number 3 or 4 guy.

Kobe is going to continue to shoot the hell out of the ball. Bynum and Kwame are going to continue to show shades of an ability to play. Smush will continue to impress. And the lakers will continue to be mediocre.

I really have no grasp on what Busschak are doing in the front office. Anyone who says they aren't making moves purely to please Kobe just needs to take a look at what they did this offseason...NOTHING. I really don't know how much longer Phil will last in this second stint. I think I give him another season before he gets so fed up and just retires for good. He is not winning another championship with the team the way it is and I think everyone believes that he KNOWS it too.

Ok, end of rant.


The rest of the NBA. The heat won't repeat. I dont believe Shaq has another good year in him, but I am sure they will compete. I just hope toine and white chocloate continue to show the drive they had last season.

Ben wallace looks like a genius for getting out of Detroit when he did. Now the bulls look really damn good. If ben gordon gets out of his sophomore slump, this team can do A LOT.

I still like the Spurs. They are the old reliables. Duncan has to be in better health though for them to make it through the playoffs.

The hornets are interesting. Lets see if there is a sophomore slump there with paul.

I really hope and pray that the Clipps do big things this year. Somehow baylor was able to put together a really good team and KEEP it together!?!? Sterling actually opened up the wallet a bit too. Could this be the start of something great in Clipper land?
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Last 25 games of last season Lamar averaged 19 points 11 rebounds. In the playoffs he dominated Marion averaging 21 points 11 rebounds. When the Lakers put him in the post,thats when his game took off.

Kwame brown-Phil jackson doesnt care about his offense like the Wizards. You notice how the Wizards play absolutely no defense. Kwame's strength is his low post defense. He did a great job guarding low post players like Elton Brand ,Shaq,Yao Ming,Garnett,Duncan. Thats why LA had a lot of sucesss against those teams Middle off the season. PPL were to obsessed with Kwames offense i Washington. 7-0 280 pounds,its dar near impossible to back him down in the post. This enables the Lakers to play straight Man to Man defense without doubling the post. Having a big guy who can defend the low post without needing double team help,has a huge impact on your team on the defensive end.
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Originally Posted by B-Scott
Last 25 games of last season Lamar averaged 19 points 11 rebounds. In the playoffs he dominated Marion averaging 21 points 11 rebounds. When the Lakers put him in the post,thats when his game took off.

Kwame brown-Phil jackson doesnt care about his offense like the Wizards. You notice how the Wizards play absolutely no defense. Kwame's strength is his low post defense. He did a great job guarding low post players like Elton Brand ,Shaq,Yao Ming,Garnett,Duncan. Thats why LA had a lot of sucesss against those teams Middle off the season. PPL were to obsessed with Kwames offense i Washington. 7-0 280 pounds,its dar near impossible to back him down in the post. This enables the Lakers to play straight Man to Man defense without doubling the post. Having a big guy who can defend the low post without needing double team help,has a huge impact on your team on the defensive end.
you make good points scott, but I think Kwame is and has been a paper tiger his entire career. I give credit where credit is due. The lakers actually used him properly. They utilized his talents and helped him develop far more than the wizards ever did, but I don't think he is a defensive force. It would be great if he was because the west is the land of the big men, but I think you are giving him way too much credit.

As far as lamar...dominating marion is nothing to brag about. That guy has been a defensive liability for his entire career, which is why the suns are the perfect fit for him. They clearly try to outscore you rather than try and shut you down. Lamar does have a very good post game and you would think with a triple post offense he would be using it more, but like I mentioned with Kobe jordan'ing, no one else will be getting the ball unless its off a rebound.

And I also should give credit to Kobe for working within the system early on in the playoffs and late last season. He almost made me believe that he bought into phil's system. The team was playing some great basketball...until Phil willingly let kobe try to jordan a win out of too many games.
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Originally Posted by JuddL
lol, the Pistons will be good but hardly the best and the Heat are too old. I expect a changing of the gaurd in the form of either the Cavs or the Bulls. Damn I'm excited for basketball this year.
You seem to forget that the old team won it all a mere few months ago and they still have D-Wade. The Bulls should be better but they don't have that one special player you can trust to win the big games and the Cavs roster is still inferior to Miami's, not to mention their best player isn't as good as Wade even though the rest of the world will tell you so.
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You seem to forget that the old team won it all a mere few months ago and they still have D-Wade. The Bulls should be better but they don't have that one special player you can trust to win the big games and the Cavs roster is still inferior to Miami's, not to mention their best player isn't as good as Wade even though the rest of the world will tell you so.
First off: Cav's fan.

That being said, I think Wade and LeBron are 1A and 1B. I think they are tied as the two best players in the league, but until Wade gets rid of Shaq, he will suffer from Kobe/Shaq syndrome (even though Shaw was a much better player when he was with Kobe, he still is the dominant center in the East). LeBron has had to carry the Cav's on his back, so most people will pick him as the better player. D-Wade has had a much better roster with him, so of course everyone is waiting to see what he can do without that much talent around him. Time will tell.

Also, they really are two totally different players. D-Wade is so full of grace and finesse, but can tear you apart with his defense. LeBron is physical freak on nature who is almost impossible to guard. Makes them very difficult to compare.

The Cav's really didn't make any big off-season moves, but got a little stronger in the backcourt via the draft. So if Larry Hughes and Z can stay healthy (big IF), and the back court can their stuff together, the Cav's got a really good shot of finishing in the top three in the East. Like a lot of people, I see Miami being the top team, with the Cav's and Bulls fighting for spot number two.
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First NBA/police action of the season! It's FANtastic.

Pacers' Jackson hit by car, fires handgun, police say

Couple of highlights:
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Stephen Jackson of the Indiana Pacers fired a gun in the air, apparently in self-defense, outside a strip club early Friday after he was slugged in the mouth and struck by a car that sent him tumbling onto the hood, police said.
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Officers found a small amount of marijuana in the passenger side door of Pacer point guard Jamaal Tinsley's car, police said. Officers could not determine the car's driver or to whom the marijuana belonged, so no arrests were made.
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Police were looking for the car that struck Jackson and three men believed involved. Jackson was at the Indianapolis club with teammates Tinsley, Marquis Daniels and Jimmie Hunter, police said.
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Tinsley and Daniels also had guns in their cars, and all three armed players had weapons permits, Mount said, although Daniels' permit was issued by Florida.
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First off: Cav's fan.

That being said, I think Wade and LeBron are 1A and 1B. I think they are tied as the two best players in the league, but until Wade gets rid of Shaq, he will suffer from Kobe/Shaq syndrome (even though Shaw was a much better player when he was with Kobe, he still is the dominant center in the East). LeBron has had to carry the Cav's on his back, so most people will pick him as the better player. D-Wade has had a much better roster with him, so of course everyone is waiting to see what he can do without that much talent around him. Time will tell.

Also, they really are two totally different players. D-Wade is so full of grace and finesse, but can tear you apart with his defense. LeBron is physical freak on nature who is almost impossible to guard. Makes them very difficult to compare.
Shaq was fucking useless in the playoffs. He played really well for 2 games and the remainder he basically sucked. He's a shell of his former self. I just wish people would start to acknowledge how much his play has declined. He's still probably the best center in the league but that's not saying much. It's not like when Shaq's out of the lineup Wade suddenly start's playing like crap. If anything his numbers go up. You can't take away what Wade did last year. Nobody dominated a playoffs to that degree since Jordan. It was a one man wrecking crew with cameo's from a different player each game. What's Lebron's NBA highlight? Playing really, really well against the Pistons then blowing it in the end. All you'll hear is how the Cavs weren't that great in the first place. Wade dominated the Pistons so much he didn't allow them to come back. Yeah he's team is better but the fucker shot something like 65% against the best D in the league. That's pretty unheard of. Then there's Dallas, oh Dallas!

People don't consider Lebron a better player because he has to carry the Cavs on his back. It's Lebron, King James, on the cover of SI at 16, the most hyped high school player of all time, the kid that lived up to his billing. That makes it extremely difficult for some other guy to surpass him in most people's eyes. If anyone carried a team on his back it was Wade and he carried the Heat to the championship! Wade is easily a better all around player. Look at it from just the offensive end, he's a better mid range shooter, better off the glass, better going to the rim, better at the line, more explosive. What does James have on him, three pointers? That's about it. They're about equal when it comes to passing. Maybe the edge would go to Lebron here because he uses his left hand more. They're one big negative is that they both turn the ball over too much. On the defensive end it's not even close, Wade is 10 times better and I think he's a better rebounder too, even though James throughout his career has averaged more boards a game. I'm going by 'pound for pound' here. Lebron 4 inches taller, plays forward. The worst argument I ever hear from people is that Lebron is younger. So fucking what? I got in an argument with a few of my friends over Christmas about it and all they could say is "He's 21! Wade's not!". God forbid Wade was turning 24 soon. Come June I was rubbing the Heat's championship in their faces for awhile. Oh did it feel good . In the end both of these guy's are fucking awesome and I think Lebron has more room to grown but at this moment there's no question to me he's not the all around player that Wade is. Wade's ring and Finals MVP is the most important criteria. When Lebron finally learns how to play defense I may start looking at things different. Until then...
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Originally Posted by heLL pAso
You seem to forget that the old team won it all a mere few months ago and they still have D-Wade. The Bulls should be better but they don't have that one special player you can trust to win the big games and the Cavs roster is still inferior to Miami's, not to mention their best player isn't as good as Wade even though the rest of the world will tell you so.
Can D-Wade do it all by himself though? That's the question, because in order to win again I think he's going to have to. I think he's one of the two or three best players in the league, if not the best, but I don't know if he's that good. That's Michael Jordan good we're talking.

I think while Shaq's contributions have waned, he was still a big part of that team going all the way and I have my doubts about Payton and Mourning being able to keep it up.
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You wouldn't know if the rest of their guys got shitty over the summer. Wade basically won the finals against Dallas all by himself. It was Jordanesque, especially game 3. What were you watching? Now their D improved tenfold in the playoffs and that's what got 'em over the top but, really, their older guys (Payton and Zo) come off the bench and give 'em 10-20 minutes a game. It's not like all of their starters are ancient. I'm not even saying the Heat are gonna steamroll through all the teams because they're still a total enegma and they do have a few older guys and injuries can happen. J-Will is already out for the start of the season, Payton sucks, Wade's wrist has been bothering him, is Shaq fat? and the entire team is complaining about the new ball. But, at the end of the day can anyone stop Wade? If there's a team that can do it I say it's be the Bulls. Henrich plays him better then anyone in the league and then they have Big Ben coming to town and young players who should improve. It should be a good season whatever way ya look at.
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Originally Posted by heLL pAso
You seem to forget that the old team won it all a mere few months ago and they still have D-Wade. The Bulls should be better but they don't have that one special player you can trust to win the big games and the Cavs roster is still inferior to Miami's, not to mention their best player isn't as good as Wade even though the rest of the world will tell you so.
Including ESPN.com. Not only did Hollinger list LeBron as numebr one, Wade is fifth.
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Whoa. That's bullshit. Amare ahead of Wade? Show me the knee first, pal.
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Whoa. That's bullshit. Amare ahead of Wade? Show me the knee first, pal.
I agree.

While we could debate LeBron/Wade all day and maybe never reach an agreement, I think the arguement ends there. Yes, Kobe is still a helluva player and Drik is really, really good, but I think the league clearly belongs to LeBron and Wade.
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That's more comparable to fantasy basketball. It's not the same. I'd take Lebron in a heartbeat over Wade in the fantasy world. In the real game i'd take Wade. There's similar comparisons to Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, one's better in fantasy football, while the other wins championships.
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What do I think of the upcoming season? I predict it will be overly long, players won't play hard every night, and everyone will be focused exclusively on the play-offs by the time game sixty-five rolls around. Also, after watching some international games over the summer I've come to the conclusion that it's a better brand of basketball. Scrap the illegal defense rule, let them play zone, and then we might actually see some decent passing and shooting.

The NBA is lucky it's in fifth place among American sports at this point. Is there any chance I will see a highlight on ESPN involving a play that won't include a game winning shot, a three pointer, or a dunk?
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Overlord, zone defenses are legal now.
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Originally Posted by Overlord
What do I think of the upcoming season? I predict it will be overly long, players won't play hard every night, and in everyone will be focused exclusively on the play-offs by the time game sixty-five rolls around. Also, after watching some international games over the summer I've come to the conclusion that it's a better brand of basketball. Scrap the illegal defense rule, let them play zone, and then we might actually see some decent passing and shooting.

The NBA is lucky it's in fifth place among American sports at this point. Is there any chance I will see a highlight on ESPN involving a play that won't include a game winning shot, a three pointer, or a dunk?
While you are kinda right, watching guys dribble and pass is kinds boring for a HIGHLIGHT.

How often do you see a two yard run on a NFL highlight, or a crash/incident free highlight on a NASCAR race? Most sporting events only have a few exciting moments - those are the ones you should show.
post #28 of 517
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Originally Posted by juan23
Overlord, zone defenses are legal now.
Unless they announced it this summer, you are incorrect. They modified the illegal defense rule, but they did not scrap it. IIRC, you still could not have more than one player in the key unless they were guarding a player, which basically accomplished nothing.

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While you are kinda right, watching guys dribble and pass is kinds boring for a HIGHLIGHT.

How often do you see a two yard run on a NFL highlight, or a crash/incident free highlight on a NASCAR race? Most sporting events only have a few exciting moments - those are the ones you should show.
I don't know, I find a well executed back door pass or a full court press that results in a steal to be pretty exciting. I'm not saying don't show dunks or threes, just mix it up a bit.

Get rid of illegal defense, shorten the season to fifty games (or half it's current length). That would improve the product immensely. While you're at it, give the one and two seeds additional games at home during round one so that home court advantage really means something.
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Originally Posted by Overlord
Get rid of illegal defense, shorten the season to fifty games (half it's current length). That would improve the product immensely. While you're at it, give the one and two seeds additional games at home during round one so that home court advantage really means something.
I agree about shortening the season. Personally, I think too many teams make the playoffs (and of course the long-standing complaint of a playoff system that takes about 19 weeks to complete). I'd like to see about half the teams get in. then April/May basketball would matter a little more.
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Originally Posted by Overlord
Unless they announced it this summer, you are incorrect.
Zone defenses were legalized about 5 years ago. The illegal defense rule was thrown out the window at the same time. That's when the defensive 3 second rule came into play.
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Originally Posted by heLL pAso
Zone defenses were legalized about 5 years ago. The illegal defense rule was thrown out the window at the same time. That's when the defensive 3 second rule came into play.
Okay, here's what happened:

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2001: The "Illegal defense" rule was also eliminated, meaning NBA teams could run the zone defense (note that zone defense was and is allowed in all other forms of the game). In order to limit the influence of dominant defensive big men, and keep the lane open for slam dunks, a defensive 3-second rule was introduced instead. A defensive player may not remain in the lane for more than three seconds except while guarding an opponent at arm's length.
Okay, you are right. They technically eliminated the rule called "illegal defense", and instead instituted a rule that is different in scope, but has a similar (though not as pronounced) effect: a coach can't position defensive players in whatever manner he sees fit. This basically means that every popular college or international zone (i.e., the 3-2, the four in a box, or the 2-3) cannot be played. Actually, I would argue that in the vast majority of the time the only zone allowed by this rule change is the half-court perimeter trap.

Get rid of that crap rule. Also, don't schedule only one or two play-off games a day! It takes too long to complete the post-season. They wanted twenty teams in the play-offs, they need to take their medicine and realize not every game will be on t.v. and/or have the time slot all to itself.
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You can still run a zone though but there's obviously some restrictions involved, due to the 3 second rule.
post #33 of 517
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Originally Posted by heLL pAso
You can still run a zone though but there's obviously some restrictions involved, due to the 3 second rule.
See my above post. I've played quite a few of the zones I referenced, and they can't be effectively used whatsoever with the three second rule.
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As I already stated there's restrictions involved but there's so many variations of zone defenses. The key isn't the entire court. Zones can still be effective out on the perimeter.
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I like the euro game more too. People bitch about the trapezoid lane, big fucking deal, if anything it should help the US more by unclogging the middle and allowing more athletic play. The bottom line is that European players are much less selfish and know how to pass, whether a zone defense is being played or not.
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Six days left. Nothing exciting going on, so here's more LeBron for ya.

So I've been trying to figure out what LeBron's new back tattoo said. Well today, I finally got a picutre of it.

Bow to the Choosen 1 fools!
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Good thing he has the Nike logo in the shot as well. A shame the Chosen 1 couldn't win over the summer.

Bulls will be better than the Cavs though. I'm liking what I see.
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Good thing he has the Nike logo in the shot as well. A shame the Chosen 1 couldn't win over the summer.

Bulls will be better than the Cavs though. I'm liking what I see.
I'm surprised the Nike people haven't had him tattoo that damn swoosh logo on his forehead.

It's gonna be agood battle this season. Miami is tops in the East, but after taht I think the Pistons, Bulls, and Cavs are all fighting for second.

Anyway, nothing new here, just a little bump in the thread. Plus, I"m sure hell paso wanted to see the new tattoo.
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The script on that tattoo looks like it's from a poster for a Jefferson Airplane show at the Fillmore, which makes it seem not at all tough and almost sarcastic.

The East is still weak. The Bulls have looked good, but it's just the preseason. We'll see how improved they are (if at all) when the season starts.
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
The script on that tattoo looks like it's from a poster for a Jefferson Airplane show at the Fillmore, which makes it seem not at all tough and almost sarcastic.

The East is still weak. The Bulls have looked good, but it's just the preseason. We'll see how improved they are (if at all) when the season starts.
The Bulls would've improved without their recent acquisitions (they're ridiculously young), add in Wallace, Sefalosha and Thomas and subtract Chandler... they're gonna win around 50-55 games this season.
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Originally Posted by Brian Wehman
Six days left. Nothing exciting going on, so here's more LeBron for ya.

So I've been trying to figure out what LeBron's new back tattoo said. Well today, I finally got a picutre of it.

Bow to the Choosen 1 fools!
Exhibit 23219(b) as to why the NBA is now the number five sport in the nation . . . if that.
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I like Sefalosha.

If you read the smaller print under "CHOSEN1" it says "by the Cavaliers in the 1st round", it's a standard issue NBA tattoo. Ben Wallace has one on his back that says "UNDRAFTED1."
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The King James lovefest continues...

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With 39 percent of the vote, James beat out fellow U.S. captain Dwyane Wade (29 percent) as the MVP choice. James was also the choice of 71 percent of the GMs as the player they would want to sign if they were starting a franchise.
From the GMs, Brandon Roy got the most votes for rookie of the year, Riley for Coach of the Year, Kobe as the player they want taking a shot with the game on the line, Spurs to win the title.
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I'm a Pacers fan, well, pretty much I used to be a Pacers fan, I just can't get behind this team...just thugs...Jackson needs to go
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Bynum will make noise THIS year. And the Lakers are DEEP for once. Something I haven't seen, well, in a long time.
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Bynum will make noise THIS year. And the Lakers are DEEP for once. Something I haven't seen, well, in a long time.
Deep, seriously? Does Luke Walton, Brian Cook, Chris Mihm, or Aaron McKie scare anyone coming off the bench? Kwame Brown still blows and Smush Parker does nothing for me.

Plus they are in the West w/ the Spurs, Mavs, and Phoenix. Lakers have nothing on them.
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I don't really see the depth either. I still think Bynum is a year or two away too. That's if he even becomes a good player.
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Bynum did look good in the preseason game against Houston. But I don't think the Lakers are going to make any noise this year.

The Hornets, now that is a team to get excited about.
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lakers will be lucky to hang onto the 7 seed.

well, maybe not lucky. but they are a 7 seed. in the atlantic division, who the hell knows, they might win it and grab the 3. not in the west.

i dont know how a team that starts kwame brown can be considered deep? maybe in regards to 2 years ago.
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So seeing Ernie Johnson bald on TNT did he have cancer? He face was messed up last year but it looks fine now though I didn't see a close up.

And the Bulls defense is looking very good. With Wallace and Tyrus Thomas in there they can come from many directions.

And look for alot of technical fouls the first few weeks. The new rule of upstaging the ref is being enforced.

I always hated ring night. Bullsa always played bad like the Heat are right now.

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