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I'm aaaall about fat Cybermen!  

 

I did actually want to ask the much more knowledgeable Whovians around here:  What would you consider to be the essential or "Must See" serials/episodes of each Doctor?

 

Second: The Web Of Fear, The Invasion, The War Games

 

Third: Inferno, The Mind Of Evil, The Daemons, The Sea Devils, The Green Death

 

Fourth: The Talons Of Weng-Chiang, Genesis Of The Daleks, City Of Death, Terror Of The Zygons, Pyramids Of Mars, The Seeds Of Doom, The Deadly Assassin

 

I'm not much of an 80s Doctor Who guy.

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2nd Doctor: There are so many great Troughton serials, it's just too bad that so many aren't complete. A favorite? Maybe TOMB OF THE CYBERMEN.

 

 

One of my geeky New Years Resolutions is to watch every episode of classic Who I can find in order. I just finished Tomb of the Cybermen. Easily one of the best Cybermen stories I have yet seen. Troughton is a treasure as well and quickly becoming one of my favorite Doctors. It sucks that so many of his serials were lost or destroyed. 

post #53 of 409

Have you seen THE ENEMY OF THE WORLD yet?

 

That's a lot of fun.

post #54 of 409
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Have you seen THE ENEMY OF THE WORLD yet?

 

That's a lot of fun.

That I have and I am in complete agreement!  Troughton plays the dual roles very well.  I was actually a bit surprised that it was more of a spy thriller than the conventional episodes.  Jaime and Victoria might be one of my favourite companion pairings yet.  They play off each other very well.  

 

Currently watching Ambassadors of Death, and as much as I enjoyed Patrick's performance.  Pertwee is so much fun to watch.  Spearhead from Space was a fantastic serial for this show and a great way to introduce the 3rd Doctor.

post #55 of 409

These guys should go on tour. They are hilarious.

 

post #56 of 409

Happy tenth anniversary, Nu-Who!

 

Also: This video is amazing.

 

post #57 of 409

Moneyball for the win!

post #58 of 409

It's a really nice piece of music. I'm surprised I've not heard it used more often in fan videos.

post #59 of 409

This one is much better.

 

My only complaint is the absence of The Fifth Doctor (Peter Davison). His "Time Crash" appearance opposite Tennant was a definite highlight of Nu-Who.

 

 

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So, I've finally gotten around to watching this show.  Really enjoying it.  I am just now getting to the end of the 4th series of the new run.  I watched a bunch of the original series when I was a kid, but I remember very, very little of it.

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Rose has just come back

and she has the weirdest thing going on with her mouth.  I am going to miss Tennant.  I know why he's often a fan favorite.  He seemed born to play the role.

 

I am glad to know where the hell Saxon got his handle and pictures from now!  Great character.

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Yeah, that whole thing with her mouth was odd. She must have had dental work done or something because I remember literally everyone pointing it out.

 

I'll be interested to hear what you think of Smith's run when you get there. 

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Yeah, that whole thing with her mouth was odd. She must have had dental work done or something because I remember literally everyone pointing it out.

 

I'll be interested to hear what you think of Smith's run when you get there. 

 

I had to look online last night when I noticed.  In an interview, Piper said that she just hadn't done the character in a few years and had to course correct the accent.  I guess she has two more episodes for me to see in this series.  She admits in the interview that a person in production pointed it out and she corrects it for the next two.  I suppose I'll found out tonight.

 

I also expect to be extremely emotional tonight since I am only a few away from Tennant's departure.

post #63 of 409

His last story isn't one of my favourites but, if you're a big Tennant fan, it'll definitely make you wipe your eye once or twice when the big moment comes.

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Thanks to another Chewer, I've just discovered this guy who writes notes about Doctor Who episodes on Twitter. It's a lot better than it sounds and some of the stuff he talks about is quite insightful. 

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So, I've finally gotten around to watching this show.  Really enjoying it.  I am just now getting to the end of the 4th series of the new run.  I watched a bunch of the original series when I was a kid, but I remember very, very little of it.

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Rose has just come back

and she has the weirdest thing going on with her mouth.  I am going to miss Tennant.  I know why he's often a fan favorite.  He seemed born to play the role.

 

I am glad to know where the hell Saxon got his handle and pictures from now!  Great character.

 

What did you think of Silence In The Library/Forest Of The Dead? That, plus the rest of Series 4, got me rabidly excited about Doctor Who again, both Classic and New.

 

Fun fact: RT Davies banged out the script for Midnight in a weekend, when they suddenly found they needed a cheap Donna-free episode written in a hurry.

 

And the other actress in question seems to have trouble with accents a lot. Her recent performance on a Showtime series was largely unintelligible. 

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What did you think of Silence In The Library/Forest Of The Dead? That, plus the rest of Series 4, got me rabidly excited about Doctor Who again, both Classic and New.

 

Fun fact: RT Davies banged out the script for Midnight in a weekend, when they suddenly found they needed a cheap Donna-free episode written in a hurry.

 

And the other actress in question seems to have trouble with accents a lot. Her recent performance on a Showtime series was largely unintelligible. 

 

I really liked The Library stuff. The show seemed to be on such determined momentum at that point - almost to its detriment.  In fact, it was pretty chaotic all the way through the series finale.  I was unable to get to as many episodes as I had hoped this weekend, dammit.  According to Netflix, I have 5 more to go, but I believe they are all specials at this point.

 

I might have to watch Midnight again.  It didn't do much for me as I watched it.  I fell asleep somewhere at the top of the third act for a bit and woke up for the end, and didn't feel compelled to go back and watch the 10 minutes I had missed.

post #67 of 409
Yes, those 5 are the Specials, with the last two being Tennant's Christmas-New Year farewell. No heartstring is left unpulled. Davies made sure to include enough emotional moments to leave every fan in a puddle of their own tears by the end. Have a mop handy.
post #68 of 409

Cripes. Took me long enough, but I finally finished Tennant's run last night - minus an upcoming special a few season's away I believe.  Pretty emotional ending, but it didn't tug as hard as I thought it would.  I don't know if it was the drawn out ending (he loves Rose, I get it) or the lack of affecting story leading up to his regeneration. It was nice to see The Master again, but the script was so stuffed and unwieldy it had a tough time keeping my interest. Some aspects felt like they were improv'd on the spot; such as the radiation chamber switch.  It resolved with such a shrug, I couldn't tell if it was being played for laughs or if I was supposed to worried for him.

 

Additionally, I also struggled with some of the mood swings of The Doctor in the last two specials.  Some elements felt like they came out of left field.  He was understandably upset about what had yet to come, but I wasn't quite buying his little selfish rant at the end of the second to last special.  Nonetheless, Tennant had moments of brilliance when they slowed down to focus on his struggle with his impending circumstances.  I wish we would have seen more of that.

 

I guess after typing out some of my thoughts, I just wish it was a little more intimate really. I felt so removed from it all that I only choked up a bit.  Make me weep dammit!

 

My few seconds of Matt Smith were encouraging, however.  I had only seen him in promo photos and the like over the past few years.  He already seems far more charismatic and energetic than I assumed.

post #69 of 409

Yeah, The End Of Time parts one and two are a complete mess. For every good decision (such as Wilf's involvement or bringing back The Master), there are about six or seven bad decisions that turn the entire thing into sludge. If it wasn't for the fact that it's Ten's last story, I'd probably never have watched it again after it aired. That ending, as you say, is incredibly drawn out. Almost a fifth of the running time seems to be devoted to Ten saying his last goodbyes whilst looking as though he wants to punch someone in the face. It's awful, and I still haven't forgiven Russell T Davies for allowing The Tenth Doctor's last words to be "i don't want to go". Such an awful bit of fan service aimed at all of the Tennant fangirls, whilst also allowing RTD to make a final statement before handing over the reigns to Steven Moffat. 

 

Urgh.

 

But Smith's debut episode is absolutely brilliant. You've got a real treat in store for you. In fact, the season you're about to watch is one of the strongest Nu-Who runs in its ten year history. I'd argue that Twelve's debut season (which aired last year) is stronger but there are some who would disagree with me and I could certainly understand their point.


Edited by MrSaxon - 4/3/15 at 11:09am
post #70 of 409

Over the past few weeks I've been watching several of the Classic serials, some of which I had never seen.

 

I started with SPEARHEAD FROM SPACE, Pertwee's debut, a favorite of mine. This was at least my third viewing of it. I have to admit that a big reason why I'm so partial to it is that it's the only classic serial shot entirely on film (16mm). But Robert Holmes's script does a fine job of introducing the new Doctor and building a sense of dread, and Liz is a strong, amusingly snarky companion. I also really love the courage of the producers to wipe the slate clean, with all new characters, new setting, and the Doctor (with a new face!) banished to Earth by the Time Lords.  And in color!

 

THE TIME WARRIOR is another great Robert Holmes story. It begins Pertwee's fifth and final season and introduces Sarah Jane and the Sontarans. It's also the first time Gallifrey is mentioned. A fast-paced story with interesting medieval settings (the sets are well-done, especially for the BBC) and funny supporting characters, like the absent-minded and half-blind Dr. Rubeish. Sarah Jane's journalism background was quickly dropped, but it's fun to see her taking the initiative (I love the scene where she distracts a surly cook to dump sleeping formula into a pot of stew) and even saving the Doctor. This story is underrated -- I think it's one of the best.

 

THE WAR GAMES, a 10-part epic that concludes the Second Doctor's run. I had seen this before and didn't remember a lot of the twists. It's actually quite good for such a long serial, with some hilarious Patrick Troughton moments. I particularly love his blustering cries of "This is outrageous!!" when a military figure refuses to give him a fair trial. There's also a funny scene where he repeats a demonstration of the sonic screwdriver on a pistol to distract his opponent. The villains (especially the War Lord and War Chief) are all great, hammy fun, and Jamie and Zoe's exit is actually moving. 

 

THE ARK IN SPACE is, again, written by Holmes. I like this one a lot, except that Sarah Jane's screaming and whimpering in the first episode quickly becomes annoying (even the Doctor basically tells her to shut up). Easily her best scene is when she gets an attack of claustrophobia in an air vent and the Doctor insults her to get her moving. I love the monsters, but the effects are awful, even for this show, with a distracting amount of green bubble wrap meant to convey a spreading virus. Still fun.

 

THE SONTARAN EXPERIMENT is only two episodes long and takes place immediately after THE ARK IN SPACE. As in THE TIME WARRIOR, a Sontaran crash-lands on Earth, but this time it's well into the future and the planet is nearly deserted except for the Doctor and his companions and a group of doomed astronauts. Tom Baker is great, as usual, but he's doubled all over the place because of a collarbone injury.

 

GENESIS OF THE DALEKS, which was even better this time around. A wonderfully intense story with great cliffhangers and an awesome villain (Davros) who has yet to be topped. I wouldn't call it perfect, though: The convenient loss of the "time ring" at key moments is a lazy contrivance, and I wish Harry (Ian Marter) had more to do. The final shot is beyond weird and probably confuses people -- it leads directly into REVENGE OF THE CYBERMEN (Season 12 is continuity-heavy and the stories should be viewed consecutively).


Edited by Malmordo - 6/8/15 at 6:47pm
post #71 of 409

 Speaking of The End of Time, the best parts are when Ten is saying goodbye to all of his friends. The story is a mess. If everyone on Earth is The Master, why would they work together? Wouldn't every mad genius megalomaniac want to strike out on his own. I didn't like,"I don't want to go," either.

post #72 of 409

Genesis of The Daleks is SO GOOD!

post #73 of 409

Ron Moody -- the excellent, Oscar-nominated star of OLIVER! -- has passed away at 91. He was offered the role of the Third Doctor and turned it down, later saying it was one of the biggest regrets of his career. He appears in the Big Finish Eighth Doctor audio Other Lives.

post #74 of 409

Very exciting news!

 

Apparently Moffat and the BBC have approved (more like, encouraged!) a New Who license for Big Finish. The company has already produced audio series for UNIT and Torchwood, but yesterday they announced at least four new audio productions featuring New Who characters.

 

1. The return of River Song -- played again by Alex Kingston -- in Doom Coalition 2 opposite the Eighth Doctor!

 

2. A standalone four-part story about River Song, again with Kingston and Paul McGann.

 

3. A mini-series focusing on Winston Churchill's adventures with the 9th, 10th, and 11th Doctors (although none of the actors who play those Doctors will return). Not as interested in this one, since I think Moffat did all anyone could with Who's Churchill.

 

4. Classic Doctors, New Monsters, which pairs the 5th thru 8th Doctors with New Who monsters! Really interested to hear how the Weeping Angels are depicted in an audio-only medium. Also the 8th's adventure fighting the Sontarans is set during the Time War!

 

http://www.bigfinish.com/news/v/bf27june

 

It's interesting to see how New Who and the Big Finish audios are overlapping, so that the canon plays out in two different mediums. I don't think it would've happened if Moffat weren't such a fan of Big Finish. 

post #75 of 409
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1. The return of River Song -- played again by Alex Kingston -- in Doom Coalition 2 opposite the Eighth Doctor!

 

2. A standalone four-part story about River Song, again with Kingston and Paul McGann.

 

 

Definitely interested in these two (especially the second one)!

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Definitely interested in these two (especially the second one)!

The only River episode that I've seen is the Silence in the Library / Forest of the Dead two-parter, so I'll have to go back and catch the Matt Smith episodes in prep for these audios. I really like Kingston and the concept of her character, and I'm sure I'll enjoy hearing her opposite the more age-appropriate McGann (Kingston's pairing with Smith seemed like a mismatch in that regard).

 

Re: Classic Doctors, New Monsters ... Because the Sontarans appeared in the classic run and wouldn't normally be considered "new" monsters, some people think that the Eighth Doctor story will feature Strax. I'm just excited to hear another story that plays out during the Time War.

 

I'm thinking in 2-3 years Tennant (who appeared in previous Big Finish releases as other characters) will begin recording as Ten. I don't think Eccleston will ever be involved, which is a shame because his Doctor out of all the New Whos could use more development. 

post #77 of 409

Update: I am two or three episodes into Season/Series 7.  Matt Smith is by far my favorite doctor.  I retract my previous statement about Tennant just a little. Tennant was good, but in retrospect he was a little too silly. Then again, the show seemed a bit sillier during his run.  The stories have been far more complex and mature with Matt Smith. Additionally, Matt Smith plays the Doctor as an appropriately wise and intelligent man.  I didn't frequently get that from Tennant. The show seems to have morphed from a kid's show to a family show, and it's tickling me in all of the right places.  I heart Smith. I wish I could watch Smith for another ten series' (sp?).  My buddy has caught up enough to watch the show as it airs in the States, and he has told me that if I like Smith, then I will absolutely love his exit. That will be a bittersweet day...

post #78 of 409

Good to see you're still around, WD40, and that you're still watching the show. I'm really looking forward to how you find the Twelfth Doctor when you get there as your journey through Nu-Who seems to be mirroring mine.

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Update: I am two or three episodes into Season/Series 7.  Matt Smith is by far my favorite doctor.  I retract my previous statement about Tennant just a little. Tennant was good, but in retrospect he was a little too silly. Then again, the show seemed a bit sillier during his run.  The stories have been far more complex and mature with Matt Smith. Additionally, Matt Smith plays the Doctor as an appropriately wise and intelligent man.  I didn't frequently get that from Tennant. The show seems to have morphed from a kid's show to a family show, and it's tickling me in all of the right places.  I heart Smith. I wish I could watch Smith for another ten series' (sp?).  My buddy has caught up enough to watch the show as it airs in the States, and he has told me that if I like Smith, then I will absolutely love his exit. That will be a bittersweet day...


I think Smith has a very unusual look that might suggest an extraterrestrial (at a convention Q&A, McGann compared Smith to David Bowie in THE MAN WHO FELL TO EARTH), and he seems like a decent actor. I just wish the episode directors had told him to slow down and think about how to internalize the character so he isn't forcing the big moments.

 

I just saw the Time of the Angels / Flesh and Stone two-parter and found it a surprisingly well-written story with a lot of suspense and a nice cliffhanger, but Smith's routine -- talking way too fast and bouncing around trying to look busy -- quickly became old. Smith apparently based his portrayal on Troughton's, but Troughton could balance the humor and the drama. To me, Smith never quite got there.

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To me, Smith never quite got there.

 

I sort of understand this, but I think it makes his proper dramatic moments that much more affecting. His tear at the end of the 6th series as he's let into the house by the Pond's touched me more than anything Tennant did.

post #81 of 409

Plus he did his own thing, he wasn't trying to just mimic Troughton.

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My buddy has caught up enough to watch the show as it airs in the States, and he has told me that if I like Smith, then I will absolutely love his exit. That will be a bittersweet day...

 

In the same way that The End of Time was like a pure distillation of Russell T Davies' time as showrunner, Matt's final episode is 100% concentrated Moffat.  If you've been a fan of the era so far, you'll probably really enjoy that episode.  And it almost certainly features Matt's best performance as the Doctor.

post #83 of 409
There's a conversation about the Nu-Doctors' varying personalities and the reasons therefore in Day of the Doctor. It's a neat and astute bit of business that takes the sting out of the moments when you're annoyed by Tennant's mania and Smith's breeziness.
post #84 of 409

I was not a fan of the Gunslinger episode...that was a slog.

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I just saw THE CHASE, an extremely weird 6-part Dalek story from Season 2 (1965). Episodes 3-5 have awful, half-assed scripts. Episode 3 has the Doctor and his companions trying to find a suitable location to battle the Daleks chasing them in a time machine. They end up at the top of the Empire State Building, where they have an unfunny exchange with an Alabama hick (played by Peter Purves, who turns up later as regular companion Steven) and then the Mary Celeste! Episode 4 is set in a haunted house and has appearances from Dracula and Frankenstein's monster. Episode 5 has the Daleks building a robot clone of the Doctor, and it's clearly not William Hartnell but a stand-in lip-syncing to Hartnell's voice. These episodes are just ... unbelievable. 

 

I did really like Episode 6. Ian and Barbara's departure, in particular, is beautifully played by the whole cast, with Hartnell looking convincingly heartbroken.


Edited by Malmordo - 7/9/15 at 4:08pm
post #86 of 409

I like the super cheap n cheesy shot where the (obviously toy) Daleks emerge from underneath the sand to menace the Doctor.

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I like the super cheap n cheesy shot where the (obviously toy) Daleks emerge from underneath the sand to menace the Doctor.

I'm quite fond of the cheesy special effects. In many of the Classic Who serials the stories and characters are so good that the imagination will fill in any gaps. It's admirable as to how much the crew members could pull off considering how little they had. There's a scene near the end of Episode 6 in which Vicki has paralyzing vertigo and must be lowered 1500 feet to the ground to escape a burning building. The effects are almost nothing -- crappy matte paintings and rear projection -- but Maureen O'Brien is so effective in conveying the character's terror that I actually became afraid for her. 

 

The problem I had with the serial was the writing of the middle episodes. It's obvious that Dennis Spooner (rewriting Terry Nation's unfinished material) was under a tight deadline and ended up throwing things together very quickly. Enjoyable, but sloppy and stupid.

post #88 of 409
I loved The Chase as a kid. I love it more now, as the idea that the Daleks built their own time machine just to get revenge for the Doctor's meddling was the seed that the Time War concept grew out of, half a century of TV later.
post #89 of 409

Yeah I wasn't ragging on that scene, or the Chase in general. It's one of the few Harntell serials I've seen. My favorite of his run is still the War Machines.

post #90 of 409

Seen a few episodes of Clara.  This is interesting.  She's a bit high-strung in a way I haven't seen in a companion yet.  However, the actress is intoxicating...

post #91 of 409

Yeah, Jenna Coleman is rather easy on the eyes.

 

Clara suffers from Sarah Jane Smith syndrome. The Doctor she starts with, isn't the one she's best with. She's okay-ish with the Eleventh Doctor and then amazing with the Twelfth. 

 

I'm really jealous that you're probably about to watch Day Of The Doctor for the first time, because it's great.

post #92 of 409

I cannot wait to get to the end of this series for that very reason.  It was a mild event over here in the US, so I can't imagine what it has in store for me.

post #93 of 409
I've been watching since the days of Three and UNIT. The Day of the Doctor Is TV at its finest, a rollicking adventure, tension, high drama and a shitload of fan service that doesn't feel shoehorned. I wept like a child watching it.

ETA - whoops, this doubled! Worth saying twice!
Edited by Lightning Slim - 7/18/15 at 6:52am
post #94 of 409
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Clara suffers from Sarah Jane Smith syndrome. The Doctor she starts with, isn't the one she's best with.

At times I actually prefer Sarah Jane with the Third Doctor -- in the Pertwee era the character is consistently strong and I can believe she's still a working journalist. During the Baker era, she became an hysteric, whimpering or shrieking over the slightest thing (and the Fourth Doctor tells her to shut up more than once).

 

Genesis of the Daleks is probably the best story Sarah Jane appeared in, but The Time Warrior is the best Sarah Jane story.

post #95 of 409
Jenna Coleman is one of TV's all-time greatest criers. Her ability to wordlessly well up is on a par with Sarah Michelle Gellar.
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I cannot wait to get to the end of this series for that very reason.  It was a mild event over here in the US, so I can't imagine what it has in store for me.

 

I'm jealous for seeing that whole trilogy for the first time -- Name of the Doctor, Day of the Doctor, Time of the Doctor.  Matt Smith goes out big.

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I'm jealous for seeing that whole trilogy for the first time -- Name of the Doctor, Day of the Doctor, Time of the Doctor.  

Don't forget The Night of the Doctor, which is better than all three of them.

post #98 of 409
A seven minute webisode is better than all that? You really must love those audio dramas starring Eight.

I love all 7 minutes too, BTW.
post #99 of 409

Some food for thought (Obviously contains spoilers if you're not currently up to season eight of the new show).

 

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A seven minute webisode is better than all that? You really must love those audio dramas starring Eight.

I love all 7 minutes too, BTW.

I'm partial to McGann, so for me Night was the highlight of the whole 50th thing (I'm also one of those crazies who thinks Eight should have been the War Doctor.) As for the audios, I'm far more versed in Eight's first two "seasons" (2001-03) because, honestly, those are the cheapest to download at the Big Finish site. I've only heard some of the later Lucie Miller audios and I'm unfamiliar with the experimental Divergent Universe stories. In any case, those first two seasons are terrific and firmly establish Eight, with The Chimes of Midnight standing out as one of my five favorite Who stories in any medium.

 

Just a heads-up to Wd40: While you're doing your marathon, you should include the hilarious Five-ish Doctors Reboot, which originally aired right after The Day of the Doctor in the UK. You can see that here:

 

http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/watch-the-fiveish-doctors-reboot-56047.htm


Edited by Malmordo - 7/19/15 at 9:55am
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