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Racism in Alabama? Who would have thought?

post #1 of 14
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http://www.cw.ua.edu/vnews/display.v.../453f149ba818a

Just to clarify one thing: the Ying Yang Twins are contractually obliged to play a "clean" show. So vulgarity is not really an issue with it.

Also, here's the real story behind it. Some rich, paying alumni (it's assumed that they're white) along with the University police chief went to the president last week and told him that the Ying Yang Twins needed to be gone. The president, in turn, told the vice presidents the same thing. This split, apparently, is the compromise.

I've also just this minute been told that a Native American dancing event that is supposed to be held on the student center plaza is being cancelled so the president and his cabinet can have cocktails in that space. Hilarious.
post #2 of 14
The YingYang Twins thing does sound kinda bad, but you think the Native Americans would be used to that by now.
post #3 of 14
Some rich, paying alumni (it's assumed that they're white)

So, by your assumption, this is racism? You have no facts to back up your assumption that EVIL, RICH WHITE MEN are behind this, and since ONE PERSON says "it smacks of racism!", you automatically judge it as racist? Do you have substantial proof that the U of A president said what you have alleged? Or the chief of campus police?

You will have a fine career working as a reporter for the New York Times. Unless you have facts to back up your suppositions, please don't take up valuable bandwidth with this nonsensical drivel.
post #4 of 14
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The white alumni thing wasn't my own thought, it came from the mouth of an administrator speaking off the record.

And you really are going to tell me that paying alumni (99% of which are, in fact, white) going to the president and telling him to get rid of a rap group doesn't hint of racism? And the police chief thing too. The first thought that came to mind when I heard that was that he thought the black people coming in would cause trouble. Maybe that's not the case, but that's what it sounds like.

And remember, this is Alabama we're talking about.
post #5 of 14
Racism is everywhere, from Washington state to Alabama. Or at least that what I learned from watching Crash. I, as a native Southerner, had no idea beforehand.

Seriously though, this just sounds like shitty elitist school politics...the kind that could be replicated anywhere in the country. And, though I'm not defending or necessarily disagreeing here, I think the real issue is money. Yes the two interact with one another, blah blah blah. But if the Ying Yang Twins were poised to bring in more money than whoever for whatever reason, I bet they'd be front and center. Still, the whole thing sounds pretty shitty.

Ugh. I can't believe homecoming is this weekend. Parking is gonna be a nightmare. I'm so glad I don't live at University Downs anymore. And would you believe I don't even know who we are playing? Roll tide, she said listlessly.
post #6 of 14
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Originally Posted by Kueller
The white alumni thing wasn't my own thought, it came from the mouth of an administrator speaking off the record.

And you really are going to tell me that paying alumni (99% of which are, in fact, white) going to the president and telling him to get rid of a rap group doesn't hint of racism? And the police chief thing too. The first thought that came to mind when I heard that was that he thought the black people coming in would cause trouble. Maybe that's not the case, but that's what it sounds like.

And remember, this is Alabama we're talking about.

Why? Because white people couldn't dislike the Ying Yang Twins for *any* other reason? If a white person dislikes something and it is being done by an ethnic minority, it must be racist, and not some other motivator?
post #7 of 14
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Again, I didn't say it was definitely racism at any point. What I did say was that it's almost impossible to deny that racism is a definite possibility.
post #8 of 14
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Originally Posted by Kueller
Again, I didn't say it was definitely racism at any point. What I did say was that it's almost impossible to deny that racism is a definite possibility.

So are a lot of other things. Certainly, racism might be the cause, but to immediately accuse a person/people of racism simply because they disagree with someone of another ethnicity is inappropriate. ("Racism is stupid because there are so many more individual, personal reasons to hate.")
post #9 of 14
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Originally Posted by Kueller
Again, I didn't say it was definitely racism at any point. What I did say was that it's almost impossible to deny that racism is a definite possibility.
You're right about that, no question. However, it is problematic to begin a thread with "Racism in Alabama? Who would have thought?" because it locates a particular discourse in Alabama that, in fact, is everywhere.

Now, before anyone accuses me of using this argument to diffuse some kind of omnipresent white guilt of the South by projecting it onto the entire nation, know that I am simply saying that we should move away from framing our discussions in this way rather than falling back on it to explain a situation in which the entire country is implicated. No rational person can deny the legacy of racism in the South. But we've got to get past expecting it and move toward confronting and rejecting it.

I realize, by the way, that this goes beyond what you're saying....I'm not preaching at you...just near you.

And I still don't know who we're playing for homecoming. It's dark under this rock here.
post #10 of 14
While racism is definitely more institutionalized in the south, it's generally less of an issue in personal interactions. Almost all of the most racially homogenous communities in America ( I do recall nearby Plano, TX being a large exception) are above the Mason Dixon line. [i can search for the study i read this in if someone really wants it]

This is most likely because the antebellum South following Reconstruction was forced into messy integrations, while Northern communities had no impetus to integrate and mostly didnt, aside from the denser metropolitan areas. Not a lot of black people in Massachusetts, and as such there is more of an 'alien' element in race relations.

This isn't to say that racism doesnt exist in the South, because it surely does. But the Northeast and Midwest aren't really any better. The West Coast is a whole different kind of thing (there, discrimination takes a lot more into account than just race).

It is entirely possible the Yin Yang Twins were pulled because their act isn't really aligned with higher education. Their biggest song was all about getting girls to look at their dick. Clever enough, I guess (?), but I can see how someone could really dislike them without taking race into consideration. Im sure they would just as quickly squash Obituary playing in the school auditorium.

I hope the thing about cancelling the Native American Dance for cocktails was a joke. That's just disgusting.
post #11 of 14
Thread Starter 
Well, it is true I chose a poor title, because there are other issues that could be going on.


At the very least, though, this has been a PR nightmare for the admin. I still haven't talked to anyone about it who wasn't pissed off.
post #12 of 14
It certainly is a disheartening situation. I would like to think that in the 21st century there would be no need for this type of segregation. Sometimes I feel that the more things change the more they stay the same. I wonder also if this issue goes beyond race and also touches on a generation gap between the students and alumni.

I’m afraid this topic will raise more questions than answers. My question at this time is whether the tension on campus will have an impact on Alabama’s ability to beat Florida International University by more than 36 points this Saturday. If anyone has insight on that please give me a heads up at least 20 minutes before kickoff.
post #13 of 14
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Originally Posted by Moltisanti
It certainly is a disheartening situation. I would like to think that in the 21st century there would be no need for this type of segregation. Sometimes I feel that the more things change the more they stay the same. I wonder also if this issue goes beyond race and also touches on a generation gap between the students and alumni.

I’m afraid this topic will raise more questions than answers. My question at this time is whether the tension on campus will have an impact on Alabama’s ability to beat Florida International University by more than 36 points this Saturday. If anyone has insight on that please give me a heads up at least 20 minutes before kickoff.
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Moltisanti again."
post #14 of 14
Thread Starter 
In a horrendous twist, after the Ying Yang Twins played, there was a fender bender, aand after the two drivers decided there was no damage and that it would be a waste to file a report, the drver of the car that was hit followed the other car to their home and shot one of the passengers dead.

From AP:

A University of Alabama freshman shot to death following a minor vehicle collision after the UA homecoming concert had survived a year of dangerous duty in Iraq with the Mississippi National Guard, an officer in his unit says.

"Everyone's pretty shook up about it," said Capt. David Martian of the 114th Field Artillery, the Mississippi National Guard unit that included 19-year-old Conrad Hollis.

Hollis, of Columbus, Miss., who returned from Iraq in December, had attended the Ying Yang Twins concert on the campus Friday night with some friends, Tuscaloosa Police Chief Ken Swindle said.

Hollis was a passenger in a maroon Nissan Pathfinder that rear-ended another vehicle while leaving the concert, Swindle said.

"Someone who was in the car with the victim said that the suspect in the other car pulled a gun on them and words were exchanged," Swindle told The Tuscaloosa News for a story Sunday.

The drivers didn't file an accident report, Swindle said.

The driver of the Pathfinder told officers that he drove home unaware the other vehicle had followed him.

He pulled into the driveway and heard a car horn blow twice. Hollis got out of the Pathfinder and walked into the road.

The driver and passenger heard three gunshots, and saw that Hollis was dead in the street, Swindle said.

There were no immediate arrests.

"We're looking for people who might have seen the accident or anything that happened on Orange Street," said Lt. Loyd Baker, commander of the Tuscaloosa Metro Homicide Unit.

Martian, the National Guard officer, said Hollis, a specialist, was a member of the "entry team," the soldiers who went into houses and other buildings in Iraq in search of insurgents and weapons.

"He did all of the dangerous stuff," Martian said. "He was on the team for a reason _ he was good at it."

Martian said Hollis was studying at the University of Alabama for a career in forensics.

Martian said he found out about Hollis' death early Saturday morning when he awoke to find 28 messages on his cell phone.

"They were all from people in our unit," he said.
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