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post #51 of 462
11/10/06 at 3:22pm
Just to add another pot o' water to the hot stove...

It sounds like the Tigers are working on a Bonderman for Teixeira trade, and also possibly Jordan Tata/Marcus Thames for Gary Sheffield. Detroit is on Sheff's list of approved teams. Would these be good deals for ANY of the teams involved? Opinions, please...
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post #52 of 462
11/10/06 at 3:34pm
During a contract year, Sheff is great for any team, so long as that team talks to his agent about an extension. Otherwise, he's going to be complaining loudly throughout the year.

As for Teixeira, he's a very good hitter, but considering his power outage last year, moving from one of the easiest parks to hit a homer to the toughest may be tough. They need a power hitter in that lineup, not another gap hitter.

Still, both moves drastically improve their lineup, while hindering what made them great last year.
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post #53 of 462
11/10/06 at 3:38pm
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Originally Posted by MoNkaholic
If JD Drew opting out of three years, $33 million tells you one thing, its that guys like Soriano and Lee are going to make far more than anyone could have thought. Soriano signing a $100 million dollar contract wouldn't surprise me in the least at this point.

Also, for any team interested in either, Drew has to look like a solid alternative.
Drew looks like a solid turd to me. And, as we all know, you can't polish a turd. When I heard he opted out of his deal I gave a visible fist pump while driving in my car, I was so happy.
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post #54 of 462
11/10/06 at 5:28pm
Thanks for the input, Gutt. I think that Teixeira would have fine to great power numbers from the right side of the plate, with the fact that third-base side liners seem to leave Comerica at an astonishing rate, but the Tigers need him more on the left. They seem to feel that they have the pitching in the minors to replace Bonderman should they move him, but I'd feel better if they'd offer a package of perhaps Miner and Sanchez/Juergens to Texas.

As far as Sheff, he has been outspoken in his love for Jim Leyland since his days in Florida, and that trade, with those names, would probably be much less damaging to the Tigers overall.

In your neck of the woods, do you think that your Sox can (or should) grab Juan Pierre or Gary Matthews, Jr.? Not that I am a great fan of your team, but I'd love to see an upgrade to Anderson in centerfield. Besides, it would be a lot of fun to claim that next season, the best baseball in the country is played in the midwest. (Tigers, White Sox, Twins, Indians...)
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post #55 of 462
11/10/06 at 5:43pm
Hell, the best baseball was played in the AL central all this past year.

I don't like either option of Matthews or Pierre. I'm not buying into Matthew's sudden All-Star ability after the age of 30, and while Pierre got a lot of hits last year, he doesn't run so well anymore, and when you have zero power, you've got to be able to steal bases more consistently. Plus, with the huge money that's going to be thrown around this off-season, both of those guys would be way too expensive.

I fully expect the Sox to make bigger moves via trade than by free agency. The market is just too nutty right now, and their salary costs are already huge.
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post #56 of 462
11/10/06 at 5:45pm
Detroit trades Humberto Sanchez and Class A pitchers Kevin Whelan and Anthony Claggett for now ex-Yankee Gary Sheffield:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ers/index.html
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post #57 of 462
11/10/06 at 5:52pm
Great timing on the link, Monk, thanks!

I think Sanchez' elbow worries last summer probably led to him being available.

Speaking of big trades, hey Gutt, are you thinking Carl Crawford...?
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post #58 of 462
11/10/06 at 5:55pm
It must have, because that deal looks like quite the steal health withstanding.
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post #59 of 462
11/10/06 at 6:00pm
Since they've already extended his deal, there should be no worries with Sheff's attitude. It's a great move for the Tigers.

I know Carl Crawford in number one on the list of guys the Sox want, but I believe they're looking to unload current players, not prospects. Of course, if they think they can sign Crede to an extention, they can dangle their best prospect to get him. I just don't see it happening, though.
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post #60 of 462
11/10/06 at 7:09pm
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
Since they've already extended his deal, there should be no worries with Sheff's attitude
You sure about that?
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post #61 of 462
11/10/06 at 8:05pm
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
Since they've already extended his deal, there should be no worries with Sheff's attitude.
Color me dubious.
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post #62 of 462
11/10/06 at 8:08pm
Busy day.

I see the Cardinals extended Edmonds for 2 years. I think that's a good deal. Sure, he's older, but there's every reason to think he'll bounce back from his concussion and he's still among the best outfielders offensively. The Cardinals face some difficult decisions this offseason with a good chunk of their pitching staff, Belliard, and not much in the outfield corners, so shoring up one position makes sense.
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post #63 of 462
11/10/06 at 8:39pm
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club

As for Teixeira, he's a very good hitter, but considering his power outage last year, moving from one of the easiest parks to hit a homer to the toughest may be tough. They need a power hitter in that lineup, not another gap hitter.

Still, both moves drastically improve their lineup, while hindering what made them great last year.

Tex really did not have that huge a power outage he still finished with 33. Yes the first half he sucked but in the second half after the break he hit 24 homers. That definately put him in the top 2 or 3 for homers after the break.

I agree he might not be a 45-50 HR guy like he can be in Texas but he can definately be a 35-40 guy even in Detroit. A lot of the games he will play in the Central are in very hitter friendly parks. It would be smart to trade Bonderman for him the Tigers have alot of pitching they need a power hitter.
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post #64 of 462
11/11/06 at 12:30am
Teixeira was brutal in Arlington last year as well which is pretty odd. I think he'll remain a Ranger and smacks over 40 HR again next year.
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post #65 of 462
11/12/06 at 7:07pm
Cubs bring back ARam (5 years, $73 mil, mutual 6th year option) and Wood ($1.75 mil, incentives could reach it up to $6 mil). Not bad, especially with Wood. Low risk high reward and Dusty is gone.
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post #66 of 462
11/12/06 at 8:44pm
Thread Starter 
Hopefully ARAM is productive for atleast 3 of the 5 years. He had a gun to the Cubs. They don't sign him they have zero power. Now they need a LF w/ power.
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post #67 of 462
11/13/06 at 12:44am
Yep good moves by the Cubbies.

Angels need a power bat behind Vladdy and so far they aren't impressing me at all.
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post #68 of 462
11/13/06 at 1:09pm
I'd concur that the Cubs did well for themselves yesterday. Especially with ARam signing on the first day of free agency, he probably left millions on the table when a bidding war could have occurred. The Cubs pretty much had to sign Ramirez since the free agent options at third aren't pretty. You have Huff, who's a bad fielder, and a host of mediocrities or worse with the bat. Ramirez did the Cubs a big favor by accepting a home team discount.

For a big market club like the Cubs, the Kerry Wood signing is for peanuts. Certainly I don't see much downside to the move.

Still, I look at the Cubs and they have a lot of work left to do. They have no power in the middle infield, no power in CF, they lack OBP-skills all over the field, the #4 and #5 starters are ciphers, the bench needs an overhaul, Jones needs a platoon partner, and Murton is underpowered for a leftfielder at this stage of his career. Resigning a couple of players is nice, but they haven't really improved the team yet.
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post #69 of 462
11/15/06 at 8:42pm
How much did the Cubs just chuck at Mark DeRosa?
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post #70 of 462
11/16/06 at 2:48am
3 years, 13 million.

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"They deserve a winner. Chicago deserves a winner," DeRosa said during a conference call. "Hopefully, I can come in there and provide leadership in the clubhouse and be a character guy and command respect."

I hope he bombs like no other.
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post #71 of 462
11/16/06 at 12:26pm
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MoNkaholic
How much did the Cubs just chuck at Mark DeRosa?
too much. I'd rather they pull the money from Aram and Derosa for Sori. Though I heard Hendry really wants Sori and will match any offer. Doubt it.
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I hope he bombs like no other.
He knows he's never going to win anything as a Ranger so might as well get out.
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post #72 of 462
11/16/06 at 5:54pm
God damn it. Toronto, what the hell are you thinking?

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Baseball/M...78331-sun.html

10 million a year for a 38-year-old DH who had exactly two good years since the millenium? This signing would have been great... in 1995.
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post #73 of 462
11/16/06 at 6:39pm
In a market where Mark DeRosa can sign a three year deal worth $13 million, Frank Thomas getting $20 million for two doesn't bother me in the least.
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post #74 of 462
11/16/06 at 6:57pm
Thomas when healthy is a dangerous hitter. I like the move if the Jays pull it off.
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post #75 of 462
11/16/06 at 7:54pm
Thread Starter 
Cotts for Aardsma
A Cubs/Sox deal. No fireworks but both are decent.
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post #76 of 462
11/16/06 at 8:20pm
Yea, $10 million a year isn't what it used to be. Thomas has earned it. Easily.
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post #77 of 462
11/16/06 at 8:35pm
Thomas is worth $20 mil over 2 years if he can stay healthy but at 38 and with his recent track record it's a huge gamble.
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post #78 of 462
11/16/06 at 9:34pm
Exactly. You're betting that a guy.. who has been hurt four of the last six years.. is going to stay completely healthy for the next two.
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post #79 of 462
11/16/06 at 10:22pm
The thing is he fits into the Jays plans fairly well. He's a power hitter who get's on base and they don't need another outfielder or a corner infielder. Wells, Johnson and Rios are perfectly fine and so are Glaus and Overbay. So it comes down to, do they want to way overpay for Lugo or do they go after a #3 pitcher for nearly $10 mil? I'd rather the big bat then a garbage pitcher.
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post #80 of 462
11/17/06 at 2:19pm
It just seemed like the mantra this season was "If only the Jays had their entire team together healthy..." So what do they do? Go get a guy who, at this stage of his career, is more likely to get hurt than stay healthy. I understand the need for that Delgado-esque hitter in the lineup to protect Wells, and trust me, I was driving the Frank Thomas for HOF bandwagon as late as 2000 - but at first look, this just seems like another deal that's going to blow up in Riccardi's face.
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post #81 of 462
11/17/06 at 2:35pm
I'm not that worried about it. It's worth the risk. $18 mil over 2 years for a guy that can get you 70 or so HR's is pretty damn good even if he doesn't play in the field. It could blow up in their face but it's not a long term deal so it's not something that can hang a franchise up like Chan Ho Park and Darren Dreifert did to their teams. Thomas stayed healthy last year so hopefully it'll stay that way. I was more worried about AJ Burnett coming to town and will continue to as well.
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post #82 of 462
11/17/06 at 4:07pm
Bad grammar on a FoxSports.com poll:

"Will the Colts stay unbeaten by beating Dallas this weekend?"


Umm...if they beat Dallas, won't they stay unbeaten?

Or...

Is it possible for the Colts stay unbeaten by beating another team this weekend?


Yes, I understand the question, but it's poorly worded.
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post #83 of 462
11/17/06 at 4:16pm
God I hope the Sox don't throw tons of money at J.D. Drew. If they do, I hope they keep Manny.
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post #84 of 462
11/19/06 at 5:29pm
Thread Starter 
Cubs land Sori
8yr/$136 mil.

my god that's alot. That contract will kill them soon. They better get some pitching fast.
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post #85 of 462
11/19/06 at 6:40pm
It just got a lot harder for the Jays to sign Wells to a new deal.
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post #86 of 462
11/19/06 at 7:08pm
Thread Starter 
trade Wells to the Cubs. Heard rumors about that. Westbrook on the Indians as well.
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post #87 of 462
11/19/06 at 7:11pm
I think you hear rumors about every player going to the Cubs.
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post #88 of 462
11/19/06 at 7:14pm
Thread Starter 
The Sori rumor sure was true. Hendry wasn't letting him get away. The Nats got nothing in return for him.
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post #89 of 462
11/20/06 at 12:03am
Toronto should trade Wells to the Rangers. Wells would fit with the Rangers since he lives in Arlington and is best friends with Young, but neither of those things would mean he doesn't want a huge contract when that time would come.
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post #90 of 462
11/20/06 at 12:55am
And the next time I check ESPN, the Rangers signed Catalanatto. If you can't get Wells, go for third rate, I guess.
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post #91 of 462
11/20/06 at 7:09am
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel
They better get some pitching fast.
Hilarious. What a joke of a contract. Sure Sori is a damn fine player but making that kind of money you'd think he was Ichiro. Oops.
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post #92 of 462
11/20/06 at 1:58pm
I knew Vladimir Guerrero's contract was a bargain the instant he signed it, but to think, Carlos Beltran's would look like a bargain after only a couple of years? Ridiculous. And yes, Anya, that contract will kill Chicago sooner than most people think.
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post #93 of 462
11/20/06 at 2:12pm
Good addition for the Cub, but that is a terrible contract.
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post #94 of 462
11/20/06 at 2:41pm
Is this a bad time to say that, assuming health (and yeah, that is a big assumption), I think the team that gets JD Drew will be infinitely happier than the Cubs.
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post #95 of 462
11/20/06 at 2:50pm
The Red Sox are going to give JD a lot of money. A lot.
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post #96 of 462
11/20/06 at 2:50pm
I really don't think the Dodgers are that upset about losing him. More surprised if anything.
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post #97 of 462
11/20/06 at 2:58pm
Drew is a plus defender, and an incredibly underrated bat. If the guy could find a way to stay on the field, I wouldn't be surprised by someone signing him to a comparable deal.

Of course, in this market, he could sign a comparable deal anyway.

But enough negativity, if Soriano can translate the progress he made in Left Field to Center Field, this will be a big addition for the Cubs.
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post #98 of 462
11/20/06 at 3:10pm
JD Drew and $130 mil don't go together. He's not even close to an incredibly underrated bat. He's a good but not great hitter. I believe most people would agree with that.
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post #99 of 462
11/20/06 at 3:19pm
If you think Soriano is a great hitter, and that Drew is a good hitter, then yes, Drew is an incredibly underrated bat.
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post #100 of 462
11/20/06 at 3:30pm
No, he's not. Everyone knows he can hit, so he's not an underrated bat. He's just a giant pussy. And a shitty teammate (unless you're in his bible study). And is lazy.
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