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Florida police chief loses job because of "jelly bellies" memo

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WINTER HAVEN, Florida (AP) -- Police Chief Paul Goward was tired of looking around his department and seeing blubber hanging over the belts of some of his officers. So he sent out a memo exhorting the "jelly bellies" to shape up.

In the end, the department lost 190 pounds -- all of them belonging to Goward. He was forced out as chief because some of his officers took offense at the memo.

The October 11 memo bruised feelings on the 80-member force, drew at least one anonymous letter of complaint from officers about the chief's management style and made his department the butt of jokes about fat cops and doughnuts.

"If they got their feelings hurt to the extent of `Do something about it,' then I did what I was intending to do," said an unapologetic Goward, a trim 6-footer who was forced to resign his $92,000-a-year post last week.
Some of the chief's defenders said his ouster was a big overreaction.

"He offered tremendously good advice, yet he was sacked," wrote Thomas Roe Oldt, a columnist for The Ledger of Lakeland.

In his memo, titled "Are You a Jelly Belly," the chief never singled anyone out, and apart from the title, didn't call anyone names.

Instead, he provided a list of 10 reasons police officers should be in shape. He said overweight police poorly represent the profession, poop out when chasing suspects and might have to resort to "a higher level of force" if a criminal got the upper hand in a fight. He said out-of-shape cops are a liability to the city and their families.

"Take a good look at yourself," he wrote. "If you are unfit, do yourself and everyone else a favor. See a professional about a proper diet and a fitness training program, quit smoking, limit alcohol intake and start thinking self-pride, confidence and respectability. And stop making excuses for delaying what you know you should have been doing years ago. We didn't hire you unfit and we don't want you working unfit. Don't mean to offend, this is just straight talk. I owe it to you."

Winter Haven cops must pass physical examinations to be hired but are not regularly tested for fitness thereafter.

Goward, 60, said he is not a fitness freak, was not "asking for a department full of Arnold Schwarzeneggers here" and did not order his officers to stay away from fast-food restaurants or doughnut shops. In fact, the 36-year police veteran, who has also worked in Kansas and South Carolina, said Winter Haven's force is no less fit than the others he has served on.

David Greene, manager of the central Florida city of 30,000, said through a spokeswoman that he was too busy for an interview, but told the local newspapers the anonymous complaint letters made it clear the police department had a morale problem because of Goward's abrasive management style during his 21/2 years there.

"Emotions within the police department and the relationship with the police chief became raw," he told The Ledger.

Winter Haven officers contacted by The Associated Press said they were told not to talk to reporters about Goward's departure.

One of the anonymous complaint letters described the force as "upset to say the least" about the chief and called the "Jelly Belly" memo "the icing on the cake."

"This letter shows the type of harassment and hostile work environment we have. The chief of police is constantly 'bad talking' us in every way possible and we have had enough of his arrogance," the letter read.

Mandy Rohrbaugh, a 40-year-old nursing student and Winter Haven resident, said Goward had the right message, but perhaps could have delivered it differently.

"I think honestly our police force needs a lot of shaping up, and I think they should be fit not just when they're hired but through their time," she said.
Source: http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/01/jelly.belly.ap/i
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Jesus Christ...
post #3 of 22
What a bunch of fucking pussies.
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Well if a police force isn't going to test their officers for fitness at regular intervals who ever sets that policy should be let go. Not this guy. Most departments throughout the country hire officers in at a certain fitness level and expect them to maintain it. As a way to make sure they test them once a year or every two years to make sure they can still pass the physicals.

I only mention this because I was certified in Texas to be an officer and I knew to keep in decent shape because most agencies I was applying for would test you even after you had the job. Could the guy have been more PC? Sure, but should it have cost him his job? I don't think so. Not unless the guy had a history of bad behavior and this was the straw that broke the camels back.
post #5 of 22
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Originally Posted by B_MetalSucks
Not unless the guy had a history of bad behavior and this was the straw that broke the camels back.

the anonymous complaint letters made it clear the police department had a morale problem because of Goward's abrasive management style during his 21/2 years there.

It's like reading is too hard.
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Originally Posted by devincf
the anonymous complaint letters made it clear the police department had a morale problem because of Goward's abrasive management style during his 21/2 years there.

It's like reading is too hard.
Cleary YOU have no idea how a police organization works. One anonymous letter claiming two & 1/2 years of abrasive management is usually met with an investigation not dismissal without question. But hey Anonymous claimed it so that's gotta be reliable information, right?

Maybe you should stick to fucking with people about movies.
post #7 of 22
letterS

The complaint letterS

Reading is fundamental.
post #8 of 22
The point I'm making is that they should investigate to see if he actually had an abrasive management style. All of those letters could have been from the offending jelly bellies and could totally be unfounded. If they didn't investigate then it was a kneejerk reaction to bad press about the memo, which I don't think he should be fired for. Now had it stated an investigation found he had an abrasive style then I would say he got what he deserved, but it didn't.

Again stick to fucking with people about movies
post #9 of 22
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Originally Posted by castle
I'm sure they did investigate. At least a little. Before firing this man. From his police department. Full of fatties.
Actually the first post is apparently misleading all around. The following link says he resigned, so no firing occured anyway. Of course I'm sure he was told to resign but regardless the initial post is a bit misleading.

http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.d...AKING/61025005

Also a follow up article provides more details that state that the man who initially wanted the Chief to leave had had prior run ins with the Chief over disputed information in a meeting over response times. It also states that the dispute became so heated and loud that those next door could hear it. The implication being that the city manager had a bone to pick with the Chief. Also it should be noted that the man who apparently forced Gowards resignation also was responsible for his job rating
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In Goward's latest employee performance review, he received an above average rating for the year from March 29, 2005, to March 29 of this year.

Greene wrote, "Paul is doing a really good job operationally and from a community image perspective. Budget control is a problem area that needs to be addressed. The department has improved under his leadership."
Nothing about abusive management style at all. Over the course of a full year not one mention of abusive style and an above average rating. Yeah I'm sure it was all about a few anonymous letters.
post #10 of 22
You should stick to fucking people in comas or whatever it is you do.
post #11 of 22
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Originally Posted by devincf
You should stick to fucking people in comas or whatever it is you do.
Why? Because I had an opinion about this topic that differed from yours. Or because I said a letter instead of letterS.
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Because I'm paraphrasing your retarded retort.
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Originally Posted by devincf
Because I'm paraphrasing your retarded retort.
Ah, well fair enough. At what point do we go into "you started it" and "un uh, you did?" Care to actually continue to discuss the topic or should I call you retarded too?
post #14 of 22
You might as well call me retarded, as you keep insisting on being wrong in this thread.
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Did you even read the post above that outlined a few things about the topic that weren't in the original post or do the facts not matter? The man who forced his resignation had nothing bad to say in his last performance review about management style. And he gave him above average rating but anonymous letter costs him his job and that's ok with you? If that makes me wrong then I guess I am.
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Thanks for hijacking and flushing another discussion thread down the toilet, Devin.

Do you ever get tired of thinking you're omnipotent?
post #17 of 22
I think it was good he stepped down. It will prevent him from gunning down a black person at a traffic stop. Unless he is hired by another county where he could possibly go on to gun down a black person at a traffic stop.
post #18 of 22
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Are you sure you replied in the right thread?

This news story had absolutely nothing to do with race.
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No it has to do with cops. Cops gun down black people at traffic stops. By no longer being a cop this guy is less likely to gun down a black person at a traffic stop.
post #20 of 22
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Originally Posted by Mad Man Mundt
I think it was good he stepped down. It will prevent him from gunning down a black person at a traffic stop. Unless he is hired by another county where he could possibly go on to gun down a black person at a traffic stop.
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Originally Posted by moovyphreak
Are you sure you replied in the right thread?

This news story had absolutely nothing to do with race.
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Originally Posted by Mad Man Mundt
No it has to do with cops. Cops gun down black people at traffic stops. By no longer being a cop this guy is less likely to gun down a black person at a traffic stop.
comedic gold, people.
post #21 of 22
Ah, to live in Devin's World. He must be so frustrated there are so many imbesiles in life, so inferior to the mighty Devin.

did you catch the spelling error Devin? Of kourse you dyd!

I remember Nick once related that Chud is like hanging out in his living room. But honestly, if Devin were this obnoxious to people face to face he'd have a black eye every week.

Or maybe we should be grateful that despite all the reviews and A-List interviews, Devin still manages to find time to nitpick in various forums.

DEVIN YOU REALLY ARE AN OBNOXIOUS FUCK SOMETIMES!

OK, that's done, and breathe......
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Originally Posted by Mad Man Mundt
No it has to do with cops. Cops gun down black people at traffic stops. By no longer being a cop this guy is less likely to gun down a black person at a traffic stop.
That's a rather blanketed statement considering you are referring to all law enforcement officers in general.

Sure, there are corrupt and racist police out there, but the heart of the matter is that you made a completely random comment in a thread that had nothing to do with what you brought up.

WTF!?

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Originally Posted by Fat Dragon
I remember Nick once related that Chud is like hanging out in his living room. But honestly, if Devin were this obnoxious to people face to face he'd have a black eye every week.
Devin would have a colostomy bag if he said half the shit he says on the boards to people's faces.
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