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Ted Haggard Loves Balls. 30 Million in denial.

post #1 of 48
11/3/06 at 9:34am
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061103/...ex_allegations

This is just classic. This guy is (was) president of the National Association of Evangelicals and is a vocal anti-Gay Marriage campaigner. And he loves the Balls. It's beautiful.

Here he is in action with Richard Dawkins - a documentary called 'Root of all Evil' -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmNjfpoRZpE

Just stunning stuff. I'm not sure I've ever come across a more unctuous, detestable character.

I gather there are in and around 30 million people in the 'flock' (is that right? about 10% of the entire US Population?), who hold 'Pastor Ted' in the highest esteem, buy into Pastor Ted's fire and brimstone ideaologies, his horrendous anti-Gay rhetoric. What goes through a diehard evangelical's mind when a paragon of their faith turns out to love the cock like a labrador loves a wet tennis ball?
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post #2 of 48
11/3/06 at 11:10am
http://www.therevealer.org/archives/...ory_002694.php


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He was always on the lookout for spies. At the time, Colorado Springs was a small city split between the Air Force and the New Age, and the latter, Pastor Ted believed, worked for the devil. Pastor Ted soon began upsetting the devil’s plans. He staked out gay bars, inviting men to come to his church; his whole congregation pitched itself into invisible battles with demonic forces, sometimes in front of public buildings.
I recently watched him being interviewed by Richard Dawkins in "Root of All Evil." He was an A-Grade Asshole.

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I don't communicate an air of superiority over the people because I know so much more....
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post #3 of 48
11/3/06 at 11:18am
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I linked to that 6 minute segment in my initial post Nelson - the guy just stuck in my mind after seeing that. With blind faith comes a sublime arrogance, and he positively oozes it in that Dawkins interview.
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post #4 of 48
11/3/06 at 12:19pm
Ah. More Jesus camp.
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post #5 of 48
11/3/06 at 12:28pm
I don't know much about this guy other than what I have seen on the news in the last 24 hours. But CNN just reported that the accuser failed a polygraph administered on a Denver radio show this morning, for what that's worth.

Edited to add that the examiner wants to redo the test because the accuser seemed "exhausted."

And a link.
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post #6 of 48
11/3/06 at 12:36pm
Oh yeah, Jesus. The kids love 'em.
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post #7 of 48
11/3/06 at 12:45pm
Polygraph tests aren't as highly regarded in real life as they are in the movies.
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post #8 of 48
11/3/06 at 1:16pm
The polygraph's at least semi-irrelevant at this point anyway, he's apparently confessed to some of the allegations:

http://www.kktv.com/news/headlines/4557411.html

At this point, the real question is whether he was paying for gay sex or taking crystal meth (or both).
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post #9 of 48
11/3/06 at 1:24pm
Innocent people don't resign and go on administrative leave the second a scandal hits.

Regardless, there will be someone to take his place that's equally as insane.
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post #10 of 48
11/3/06 at 1:39pm
Some will claim it's some kind of BS-Smear tactic. I suspect Drudge to have a story like that in the coming days. In any case, I love it when hypocrites get nailed.
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post #11 of 48
11/3/06 at 2:20pm
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Originally Posted by EdHocken
Some will claim it's some kind of BS-Smear tactic. I suspect Drudge to have a story like that in the coming days. In any case, I love it when hypocrites get nailed.
In this case, right in the tailpipe. Zing!
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post #12 of 48
11/3/06 at 4:26pm
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Originally Posted by Poulsonator
Innocent people don't resign and go on administrative leave the second a scandal hits.

Regardless, there will be someone to take his place that's equally as insane.

Actually, in a lot of Protestant churches, ministers actually do step aside even if they are innocent. It's a highly vulnerable position.

But this case is glorious.
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post #13 of 48
11/3/06 at 4:53pm
Front page of CNN.com:

"A top evangelical leader who is accused of paying a male prostitute for sex admitted today he contacted his accuser "for a massage" and purchased methamphetamine from him. But the Rev. Ted Haggard said he never had sex with Mike Jones and threw away the drugs."

Whew, I thought he was guilty there for a second.
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post #14 of 48
11/3/06 at 4:53pm
I was just about to mention that CNN.com article. Bought drugs but then threw them away. Yeah sure ya did.
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post #15 of 48
11/3/06 at 5:12pm
I will say this about the male whore...he's full of shit. He said he had a three year relationship with this Teddy, and when asked why he made it public:

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Jones said he decided to go public because he was also upset when he discovered Haggard and the New Life Church had publicly opposed same-sex marriage.

"It made me angry that here's someone preaching about gay marriage and going behind the scenes having gay sex," he said.
You've been fucking a local celebrity for 3 years and you're just learning that he's one of the biggest anti-gay marriage proponents in the country. Right. Not that I care that he's full of shit, it's just that if you want to bring down douchebags like Pastor Ted, you've got to be *ahem* straight about it. With the way he's talking, he makes it look like a setup, which is going to give a lot of people reason to dismiss it.
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post #16 of 48
11/3/06 at 5:19pm
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
Not that I care that he's full of shit, it's just that if you want to bring down douchebags like Pastor Ted, you've got to be *ahem* straight about it. With the way he's talking, he makes it look like a setup, which is going to give a lot of people reason to dismiss it.
I can't argue with that. It's extremely shady and the man-whore's already failed a polygraph. However, it seems Pastor Ted has been brought down, regardless of if he had gay sex or not. Guilty-before-proven-innocent may actually be a good thing in this case.

There's no way he didn't have gay sex. No way.
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post #17 of 48
11/3/06 at 5:27pm
Is it wrong that the first thing I thought of when I saw this guy speak was The Hardly Boys?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3jMoGTnimc
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post #18 of 48
11/3/06 at 5:30pm
Well, at least something has gotten the Kerry story off the front page.
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post #19 of 48
11/3/06 at 5:35pm
I hope all his followers go Jonestown.
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post #20 of 48
11/3/06 at 5:36pm
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Originally Posted by jonvoight's car
Well, at least something has gotten the Kerry story off the front page.
I refuse to believe he's worth more to the media than John Kerry.
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post #21 of 48
11/3/06 at 5:40pm
I agree that the man-whore's testimony reeks of BS, however, who the fuck goes in for a massage by an "escort" and buys methamphetamine but doesn't fuck the escort or do the drugs?

Also, why in god's name would you be tempted by crystal-fucking-meth if you'd never done it before? What, we're supposed to buy that he'd never done drugs before ("not even in high school") and he's going straight for the hardest, most disgusting shit on the table?

This is so fucked up in so many glorious ways.
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post #22 of 48
11/3/06 at 5:40pm
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Originally Posted by devincf
I hope all his followers go Jonestown.
These stats blew my mind:

"Haggard, 50, resigned Thursday as leader of the National Association of Evangelicals -- a group representing more than 45,000 churches and 30 million people -- and he also stepped down temporarily from leadership at New Life Church in Colorado Springs."

His New Life Church has over 14,000 members as well.

30 million people!
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post #23 of 48
11/3/06 at 5:43pm
Let's bring America back down to 270 million people! What a boon for the economy - so many jobs would open up.
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post #24 of 48
11/3/06 at 5:58pm
"I'm proud to have a President that gets on his knees every day!"

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post #25 of 48
11/3/06 at 5:59pm
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Originally Posted by Slestak
"I'm proud to have a President that gets on his knees every day!"
Ok, now he's bigger news than John Kerry.
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post #26 of 48
11/4/06 at 4:08am
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Originally Posted by Slestak
"I'm proud to have a President that gets on his knees every day!"
Is that a real quote?
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post #27 of 48
11/4/06 at 5:20am
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Originally Posted by devincf
I hope all his followers go Jonestown.
Unfortunately those people will find someone else to prop up on a pulpit and worship.
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post #28 of 48
11/4/06 at 5:21am
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Originally Posted by Chris Wood
Is that a real quote?
If it is I have found my next signature.
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post #29 of 48
11/4/06 at 7:39pm
It's pretty obvious the guy's gay the moment he starts talking in interviews. How are the Evangelicals taking this?
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post #30 of 48
11/4/06 at 7:47pm
Bent over.
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post #31 of 48
11/4/06 at 8:02pm
Haha awesome. When they make the TV movie of the week account of this scandal he should be played by the guy who plays the best friend in Will & Grace.
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post #32 of 48
11/5/06 at 2:37am
After watching the video in the original post I have to ask: who didn't know this guy was gay? Holy crap, he makes the guys in Priscilla look manly.
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post #33 of 48
11/5/06 at 3:54am
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Originally Posted by castle
So gay men are identifiable by their voices and mannerisms? Is Jeff Goldblum gay? Is Jason Schwartzman? Every male painter and poet in history has had that manner of speaking and those mannerisms. And only half of them were gay.
Does it hurt to be that dense?
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post #34 of 48
11/5/06 at 12:03pm
I got a pretty good chuckle out of that YouTube video with Dawkins and Haggard. Yeah, Dawkins is pretty arrogant, but it's even funnier to see Haggard condemn that arrogance while being completely patronizing.
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post #35 of 48
11/5/06 at 3:53pm
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/05/hag...ons/index.html

Haggards' been fired, it seems. In a letter read to his congregation, he confessed to a "lifelong sexual problem."

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In the letter read Sunday, Haggard took responsibility for his actions, saying "I am guilty of sexual immorality" and noted that "the things I did opened the door for additional allegations."

He asked the congregation to also forgive his accuser, who Haggard said has revealed "the deception ... that was in my life."

In a separate letter from Haggard's wife, also read by Stockstill, Gayle Haggard said while her heart is broken, she remains "committed to him until death do us part."

An overflow congregation responded to the announcement with a standing ovation.
Standing ovations just aren't as meaningful as they used to be, I guess.
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post #36 of 48
11/5/06 at 9:27pm
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Originally Posted by Dr. Necessiter
Standing ovations just aren't as meaningful as they used to be, I guess.
Because they shouldn't praise a liar or they shouldn't forgive one?
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post #37 of 48
11/5/06 at 10:43pm
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Originally Posted by castle
You're right. I'm dense because I don't think there's a particular type of voice, and a particular set of mannerisms, that automatically outs someone.
No you're dense because you missed the point of my post. And the rest of your post made no sense...

So, I ask again, does it hurt to be that dense?
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post #38 of 48
11/6/06 at 1:24am
Can't wait til James Dobson gets caught livin' la vida Doogie-style.
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post #39 of 48
11/6/06 at 1:50am
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Originally Posted by Belethedheliel
Because they shouldn't praise a liar or they shouldn't forgive one?
To quote quiz show..

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I'm happy that you've made the statement. But I cannot agree with most of my colleagues. See, I don't think an adult of your intelligence should be commended for simply, at long last, telling the truth.
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post #40 of 48
11/6/06 at 2:07am
While I sympathize with the Quiz Show sentiment, I found it surprisingly classy for him to ask the congregation to forgive his accuser.

I use "classy" in the most extremely relative sense, obviously.
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post #41 of 48
11/6/06 at 5:34am
If he doesn't ask them to forgive his accuser, then he can't ask them to forgive him. It's not classy, it's self-protection.
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post #42 of 48
11/6/06 at 5:35am
Which is why he'll be back in a couple of years, rehabilitated and with a new-found vigor to "heal the sinners" of this world.
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post #43 of 48
11/6/06 at 7:57am
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Originally Posted by PsYcHwArD101
Which is why he'll be back in a couple of years, rehabilitated and with a new-found vigor to "heal the sinners" of this world.
Not to mention 'cured' of his insatiable desire for spunk trumpets.
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post #44 of 48
11/6/06 at 8:06am
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Originally Posted by Phil Connors
Not to mention 'cured' of his insatiable desire for spunk trumpets.
Worst.mental.picture.ever.
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post #45 of 48
2/6/07 at 2:56pm
He's already cured!

http://www.denverpost.com/portlet/ar...4921&siteId=36

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Haggard says he's not gay
By Eric Gorski
Denver Post Staff Writer
Denver Post
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The Rev. Ted Haggard emerged from three weeks of intensive counseling convinced he is "completely heterosexual" and told an oversight board that his sexual contact with men was limited to his accuser.

That is according to one of the disgraced pastor's overseers, who on Monday revealed new details about where Haggard has been and where he is headed.

The Rev. Tim Ralph of Larkspur also said the four-man oversight board strongly urged Haggard to go into secular work instead of Christian ministry if Haggard and his wife follow through on plans to earn master's degrees in psychology.

Haggard broke a three-month silence in e-mails over the weekend to select members of his former church. New Life Church interim senior pastor Ross Parsley forwarded Haggard's message to the wider church body Monday.

In the message, Haggard revealed that he and his wife, Gayle, intend to leave Colorado Springs and pursue master's degrees through online courses.

Haggard mentioned Missouri and Iowa as possible destinations. Another oversight board member, the Rev. Mike Ware of Westminster, said the group recommended the move out of town, and the Haggards agreed.

"This is a good place for Ted," Ware said. "It's hard to heal in Colorado Springs right now. It's like an open wound. He needs to get somewhere he can get the wound healed."

Sex-addiction program

Haggard, 50, resigned as president of the National Association of Evangelicals and was fired from the church he built from nothing into a 14,000-member congregation after a former male prostitute in Denver alleged a three-year cash-for-sex relationship.

Haggard admitted to "sexual immorality" and a long battle against feelings contrary to his beliefs. He admitted buying methamphetamine but said he never used it. Haggard did not respond to interview requests.

Among other things, the overseers urged Haggard to enter a 12-step program for sexual addiction, Ware said.

Ralph said three weeks of counseling at an undisclosed Arizona treatment center helped Haggard immensely and left Haggard sure of one thing.

"He is completely heterosexual," Ralph said. "That is something he discovered. It was the acting- out situations where things took place. It wasn't a constant thing."

Why Haggard chose to act out in that manner is something Haggard and his advisers are trying to discern, Ralph said.

In investigating Haggard's assertion that his extramarital sexual contact was limited to former male escort Mike Jones, the board talked to people close to Haggard and found no evidence contradicting him, Ralph said.

"If we're going to be proved wrong, somebody else is going to come forward, and that usually happens really quickly," he said. "We're into this thing over 90 days, and it hasn't happened."

Steering Haggard away from a return to ministry was based, in part, on Haggard's high profile, Ralph said. He cited biblical passages about holding influential figures to a higher standard.

"Nobody is saying he can't go back into ministry," Ralph said. "Somewhere down the road, that could very well happen, and that would be wonderful."

Counseling continues

Haggard is being asked to join a church wherever the couple moves and continue the Christian counseling he receives twice a week, Ralph said.

The oversight board that includes Ralph is focusing on New Life Church's future but continues to counsel Haggard.

What has been termed Haggard's "restoration" is being overseen by another panel: H.B. London, who runs a Focus on the Family ministry to pastors, and megachurch pastors Tommy Barnett and Jack Hayford.

London said he was not surprised Haggard was considering the psychological field.

"Many of us that go into the healing, helping professions do so out of some sort of dysfunction or traumatic event in our lives, and we want to do what we can to help other people avoid what we've gone through," he said. "He is certainly gifted and intelligent and has an intuitive side to him. And he has life experience. Those are good credentials."
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post #46 of 48
2/6/07 at 3:42pm
oh, right. me too.......
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post #47 of 48
2/15/07 at 1:23am
I like how he's "convinced" he's completely heterosexual; not that he is, mind you, just that he thinks he is.
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post #48 of 48
2/15/07 at 1:28am
Yeah, Conan has been having a fucking field day with this guy.

"Completely heterosexual."
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