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Friday the 13th Part 2

post #1 of 152
11/4/06 at 8:40am
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This is the only sequel that is really creepy for me. Dare I say it, but I think Jason was scarier in the one-eyed gunny sack instead of the Hockey mask.

Love me some Amy Steele.

A decent start on the sequel train that is totally fucked over in Part 3.
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post #2 of 152
11/4/06 at 9:28am
It's odd how Steve Miner directed Part 2 so well, and bungled Part 3 so badly. He didn't even bother with continuity, as between films (apparently overnight in the storyline) Jason grows about 6 inches, gains 50 pounds and goes bald, then travels back in time in this condition to attack (rape?) Part 3's protagonist for an exceedingly pointless and poorly handled subplot.
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post #3 of 152
11/4/06 at 11:01am
I'm sure I wasn't the only one to expect Mrs Voorhees opening her eyes at the end. Good that never happened.
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post #4 of 152
11/4/06 at 11:24am
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Originally Posted by Chris Myers
I'm sure I wasn't the only one to expect Mrs Voorhees opening her eyes at the end. Good that never happened.
It was supposed to. I believe it was the director that said how stupid that was and didn't allow it to happen. That's why the head of Ms. Vorhees looks like a person with makeup on instead of just a prosthetic head. Because it is a person with makeup on.

This was on Monster HD the other night, and I got sucked into it. For a horror movie (and a sequel), I forgot how well done it was. It's not just setup, kill, setup, kill, setup, kill. The movie follows a general plot. And getting to see where Jason actually lived and grew up was damn interesting.
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post #5 of 152
11/4/06 at 12:29pm
I agree with everything Zod said. I love the fact that most of the camp counselors actually live because they went out drinking. I love that they have no problem killing a guy in a wheelchair.
I also love his little shitty shack in the woods. The story they tell about Jason around the campfire, along with his shitty shack, and the fact that he runs, busts his ass falling out of a chair, and grunts in pain when he get's kicked in the nuts shows him to be nothing but a fucked up human, which to me is scarier than unstoppable zombie Jason. It was as that sweet period in the franchise where they were still trying to scare you by keeping him under wraps and hidden, insead of showing him everywhere, just seeing what kind of creative kill they could come up with.
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post #6 of 152
11/4/06 at 3:21pm
To me, this is definitely the best-made of the series (although that may not be much of a compliment), but I still prefer part 4. Mostly because of Crispin Glover. And I don't rate 3 nearly as low as most people do. Even with its flaws, it still stands head-and-shoulders above anything that came after The Final Chapter.
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post #7 of 152
11/4/06 at 5:24pm
I really like this film. Yes, it's a slasher movie in arguably the "trashiest" of the big three horror franchises of the '80s, but at times it's a damn creepy flick.

This film and Part 4 are legitimately scary business - They both seem to regard Jason as an actual legend of sorts, a seriously disturbed and messed up human being. The minute he was turned into a Terminator by Kane Hodder (who is oddly enough a fan favorite), everything interesting and scary about Jason was lost.
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post #8 of 152
11/4/06 at 6:18pm
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Originally Posted by barton138
Mostly because of Crispin Glover.
The dance, my friend, the dance. Simply amazing.

To me, Friday the 13th ends right after part 4. I own all the other ones too, but 5-10 are just additional bonus "what ifs". I also consider Halloween 1,2,7 a trilogy of it's own.
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post #9 of 152
11/4/06 at 7:24pm
Weird. In my world they never made a sequel to Halloween and they canned everything after Aliens when Sigourney Weaver said she wouldn't use a gun.

Oh, in my world I'm also married to Catherine Keener. Don't mock.
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post #10 of 152
11/6/06 at 11:02am
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Originally Posted by Chris Myers
I'm sure I wasn't the only one to expect Mrs Voorhees opening her eyes at the end.
I still expect it to happen!
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post #11 of 152
11/7/06 at 3:36am
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Originally Posted by Big Jim Slade
It's odd how Steve Miner directed Part 2 so well, and bungled Part 3 so badly. He didn't even bother with continuity, as between films (apparently overnight in the storyline) Jason grows about 6 inches, gains 50 pounds and goes bald, then travels back in time in this condition to attack (rape?) Part 3's protagonist for an exceedingly pointless and poorly handled subplot.
This is why I hate 3 so much. It all could have been accepted had they only put a ONE YEAR LATER across screen. That's it. I think they were ripping off Halloween II with the same night shit, but that film did a reasonably good job of keeping good continuity. Then again, that would have required, effort, time and money, something Paramount didn't want to do with their bastard-child franchise.
What the fucks with the 3D? Maybe the films only saving grace. Plus, the sleazy biker played by Bill Cosby's tv wife, Philicia Rashad.
I think the film gets points just because its the one where he dons the mask. I prefer the little guy with the one-eyed gunny sack played Warrington Gillette, what a fucking name!
I liked most of the kids in part 2, except the ugly girls, all of the ones in 3, I was wishing them dead almost instantly.
For collectors, Sideshow Collectables has a Jason fig, from Part 2 wearing the gunny sack. It looks awesome.
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post #12 of 152
11/15/06 at 1:18am
Pt. 2 is great, but I'll have to disagree w/ the savaging of Pt. 3, if only because of some very choice kills, and that seminal moment when Jason gets his hockey mask.
I think that complaining about the continuity in a F13 film is like complaining about the lack of character development, there's just not much of a point.

If you were lay out the "continuity" as it is dictated in the series, "A New Beginning" would actually be set in the early / mid-ninties.
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post #13 of 152
11/15/06 at 3:44am
Part 4 is still the best in the series, but really, they're all bad, including the first one.
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post #14 of 152
11/15/06 at 10:29am
Like most of the early 80's slasher flicks, Friday the 13th Part 2 isn't a particularly good film, yet it retains an affinity from my childhood. To give it some credit, the characters are actually likeable and the murders memorable - ex., the two lovers speared mid-coitus. Plus, there's a wonderful moment at the bar when Jason gets a quick psychoanalysis - he's like a boy in a man's body. "Let me out!"

Speaking of which, I always appreciated that the goofy skinny counselor escaped death by staying at the bar. I always wondered if the production didn't have enough budget to fund another death, hence his escape. Until that moment he's a fairly prominent character, then he disappears entirely.
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post #15 of 152
11/15/06 at 11:59am
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll
Part 4 is still the best in the series, but really, they're all bad, including the first one.
Truly, you speak wisdom. Still, I own the box set and the movies are a fun trip down nostalgia lane to a time when a hockey mask-wearing retard held the power to scare me shitless.
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post #16 of 152
11/15/06 at 2:06pm
Which one had Jason peering out the window of a barn at the very end? That shot totally caught me off guard and haunts me to this day.
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post #17 of 152
11/15/06 at 2:20pm
That would be Part Three and, yes, it's easily the scariest moment in any of the Friday the 13th series... especially when he disappears from the window and you know he's heading for the steps.
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post #18 of 152
11/15/06 at 2:38pm
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Originally Posted by Mattioli
a hockey mask-wearing retard
THAT is why I like 3 best. He doesn't do the stupid, zombified, slow Michael Myers ripoff walk that somehow catches up the running teen. He's almost 1974 Leatherface-like in his crazy scurrying. And when the mask comes off, it's not some death-mask visage, it's a grinning idiot. ONly one that scared me in the theater.
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post #19 of 152
11/15/06 at 4:23pm
And Jason at the end of Friday 1 didn't scare you ? I know it's not really a Jason flick, but that scene at the lake scared the bejezus out of me. The window scene in 3 also works very good. I wonder why they never attempted something like that again. Making him scary again.

Today, Friday the 13th is a crappy flick. It doesn't stand the test of time as good as Night of the Living Dead or Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Sure the final shock still works amazingly, but the rest is just horribly acted and very predictable.

Friday the 13th Part II does a slightly better job. Introducing Jason as a weirdo living in the woods works well, and the movie delivers as a continuation.
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post #20 of 152
11/15/06 at 4:33pm
I think the acting in the original Friday the 13th is fine for the kind of movie it is.
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post #21 of 152
11/15/06 at 5:21pm
It's par for the slasher genre, but that's still far from "fine".
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post #22 of 152
11/15/06 at 5:36pm
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Originally Posted by Mattioli
That would be Part Three and, yes, it's easily the scariest moment in any of the Friday the 13th series... especially when he disappears from the window and you know he's heading for the steps.
Precisely. Damn effective.
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post #23 of 152
11/15/06 at 6:01pm
Part 6 is probably the most fun for me, it's the film where the pretense of seriousness was dropped, the humor was intentional and the kills got more creative and subsequently less plausible. It's officially the first appearance of zombie Jason (classically resurrected by lightning no less) whereas before I guess he just had super "retard strength" that allowed him to survive hangings, and machetes through the cranium and the clavicle.
I understand why people hate zombie-Jason as an even more apparent riff on Michael Myers, but part 6 still works for me, I mean he folds a guy in half, how can you not love that?
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post #24 of 152
11/15/06 at 8:51pm
The later ones are fun for that kind of trashy spectacle (sleeping bag against a tree, liquid nitrogen shatterface), but super retard strength will always be scary. 'Cause that shit could really happen.
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post #25 of 152
11/16/06 at 12:42am
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll
It's par for the slasher genre, but that's still far from "fine".
I don't agree. I think everyone in it is adequate.
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post #26 of 152
11/16/06 at 12:51pm
I'll never forget the "falling face first and having the head slide down the machete" maneuver. That's classic horror shit.
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post #27 of 152
11/16/06 at 1:46pm
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Originally Posted by JacknifeJohnny
I guess he just had super "retard strength"
I'm sorry, that's just too funny. It needs more room to breathe.
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post #28 of 152
11/22/06 at 2:33pm
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Originally Posted by 70sCinema
THAT is why I like 3 best. He doesn't do the stupid, zombified, slow Michael Myers ripoff walk that somehow catches up the running teen. He's almost 1974 Leatherface-like in his crazy scurrying.
That's what I liked so much about Part 2. I love that scene where Amy Steele is keeping her eye on the door in the foreground when Jason comes flying in through the window in the background.
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post #29 of 152
11/23/06 at 7:53am
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Bring back gunny sack.
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post #30 of 152
2/2/07 at 12:58am
I rented this out the other night. Haven't seen it since, oh let's say 1986. So easy to forget that these early Friday movies, while technically trash, did work on a few levels. A lot of fun, and with a prologue longer than any James Bond movie.

Still love The Final Chapter the best, though, gonna have to give that one a rental.

And it's a pillow case, not a gunny sack.
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post #31 of 152
2/11/07 at 8:24pm
I'm watching this series for the first time. I'm not a young buck, but I just never watched these when I was younger, I was much more of a Freddy fan.

Anyway, I just watched 1 and 2 and I've got to say that 2 is much better. I actually thought it was almost well made. I think I wish that mother's eyes would've opened at the end like they were supposed to though. I also find the editing of most of the kills gets pretty awkward thanks to 11th hour MPAA cuts (see Wiki), but other than that, it was a pretty fun, creepy entry in an apparently almost worthess series. I'm off to watch part 3 sometime this week...
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post #32 of 152
2/11/07 at 9:15pm
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Originally Posted by Andrew Collins
I'm off to watch part 3 sometime this week...
when the guy in the van tries to give you the joint, just say no.
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post #33 of 152
2/11/07 at 9:47pm
The first 4 films have this great overall atmosphere that is really creepy, and it works for the films. The 5th one has this to an extent, while the last 3 don't have that "feel" anymore.
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post #34 of 152
2/12/07 at 12:39am
I've always thought Part 6 was supposed to be OK as well,
is this accurate? Or does it join 5 and 7 and all the rest in shitsville..?
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post #35 of 152
2/12/07 at 1:18am
6 has Jason getting hit with paintball pellets. And punching Horshack's heart out. And doing a James Bond gunbarrell sequence at the beginning. And an Alice Cooper song tie-in. I think it's safe to say whatever "vibe" the first couple had was gone by 6.
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post #36 of 152
2/12/07 at 2:57am
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Originally Posted by 70sCinema
6 has Jason getting hit with paintball pellets. And punching Horshack's heart out. And doing a James Bond gunbarrell sequence at the beginning. And an Alice Cooper song tie-in. I think it's safe to say whatever "vibe" the first couple had was gone by 6.
You say that as if that's a bad thing, well you don't really say it so much as type it, but whatever.

Part 4 is where the series lost it's grainy, "backwoods vibe", but 4 is great, I still like 5 despite the reservations of others and 6 is a fucking blast, it film purposely mocks itself every step of the way and it does it with gusto. I honestly believe part 6 is the most underrated film in the series.
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post #37 of 152
2/12/07 at 3:52am
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Originally Posted by JacknifeJohnny
You say that as if that's a bad thing, well you don't really say it so much as type it, but whatever.
Tomayto, tomahto.

Not really related, but the fat kid from part 3 (the one who gave Jason his hockey mask) won 250 grand on "1 vs. 100" last Friday. He didn't mention his actin' bona fides.
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post #38 of 152
2/12/07 at 4:39am
To this day I'll never get why there hasnt been a uncut box set of the Friday the 13th movies. Pure 80's gore movies
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post #39 of 152
2/12/07 at 3:40pm
Well then, part 6 sounds fun. Alice Cooper singing "He's Back" is always OK in my book. As long as they stay Not Boring for a while (my problem with many of the Halloween films), I will be entertained. But I'm sure they'll get boring.
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post #40 of 152
2/12/07 at 3:43pm
Sure it's fun. I wasn't being judgemental when I listed what's in it. But the "atmosphere" mentioned in above posts is pretty well vanished by 6.
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post #41 of 152
2/12/07 at 4:14pm
Part Six's greatest failing is its lack of boobies. There, I said it.
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post #42 of 152
2/12/07 at 9:34pm
Just stopping by to also add love for part VI.

It's definitely the point where Paramount and the filmmakers stopped even trying to scare anybody or actually give two shits about the Jason/Momma mythos, but it's so much fun, with arguably the best production values in the whole series.

As much fun as this one was, and actually well made, part VII on the other hand, what the hell? I sat through this one the other night on one of the Cinemax channels, I haven't seen it since the theater in '88, and boy, what a turd, even by F13 standards. Just terrible. Can't even talk about 'cool' kills, because this one looked like it was totally emasculated by the MPAA, and I think I remember reading about that back in the days when I regularly read Fango.
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post #43 of 152
2/12/07 at 11:14pm
I dig the later Fridays. Even though they don't have the atmosphere that I mentioned a few posts back, I still enjoy them. I even enjoy Jason Takes Manhattan. I also dig part VI, if only for the hilarious rv sequence. The Animal song is a thing hilarious greatness.
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post #44 of 152
2/13/07 at 1:40am
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Originally Posted by Mr.Eko
I even enjoy Jason Takes Manhattan.
Me too. Maybe not the best in the series, but it's got a ton of kills.
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post #45 of 152
2/13/07 at 3:42am
So, OK - I just watched III & IV for the first time tonight.

III is almost completely worthless.
IV is alright I guess, but mostly just the final 15 minutes, but that seems to be the deal with all of them. There sure are some numerous boobs in this one.

Part 2 is my favorite of the first four, so I guess it's probably my favorite out of all of them. The way Jason looks at the end of 2 with all the hair looks so much better and creepier than his "suddenly bald in part III" look.
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post #46 of 152
2/13/07 at 3:51am
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Originally Posted by Keith Fordyce
part VII on the other hand, what the hell? I sat through this one the other night on one of the Cinemax channels, I haven't seen it since the theater in '88, and boy, what a turd, even by F13 standards. Just terrible. Can't even talk about 'cool' kills, because this one looked like it was totally emasculated by the MPAA, and I think I remember reading about that back in the days when I regularly read Fango.
Sorry, but I'm going to have to cry foul, because Part VII features the classic "sleeping bag bash", which easily deserves a Top 5 placement in the series and maybe a Top 5 or 10 for slasher films in general.
I also really love the scene where the snooty Melissa character is warned by the Final Girl/Boy to not go outside, she tells them both to go fuck themselves, opens the door and then bam! Jason puts an axe in her skull and throws her corpse across the room and into a wall. Awesome.

Also, VII is Kane Hodder's first time behind the mask, so it gets my love even if the rest of it is lacking.
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post #47 of 152
2/13/07 at 11:02am
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Originally Posted by Andrew Collins
IV is alright I guess, but mostly just the final 15 minutes, but that seems to be the deal with all of them. There sure are some numerous boobs in this one.




I saw part 3 in 3d in a mostly African-American theater in Maryland, so I can't be objective about it. Or recount any of the dialogue.
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post #48 of 152
2/13/07 at 12:02pm
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Originally Posted by Andrew Collins
III is almost completely worthless.
But one great thing III has going for it is 2.35:1. You don't get that often with these flicks. It's also got a couple of decent kills, particularly the guy walking on his hands.
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post #49 of 152
2/13/07 at 12:09pm
Jason Takes Manhattan is total garbage. The only unwatchable entry in the entire series.
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post #50 of 152
2/13/07 at 12:26pm
Then what is Jason Goes to Hell?
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