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post #51 of 152
2/13/07 at 12:35pm
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Originally Posted by JacknifeJohnny
Also, VII is Kane Hodder's first time behind the mask, so it gets my love even if the rest of it is lacking.

I thought the Jason design, while un-realistic, was cool as hell in that flick.
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post #52 of 152
2/13/07 at 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll
Then what is Jason Goes to Hell?
Bad. Shameful. A misfire.
But still redeemable for two reasons:
1) Jason's triumphant burst through the floor.
2) Wilma Deering.
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post #53 of 152
2/13/07 at 6:04pm
I agree about Part 3 being in glorious 2.35:1 bumps it up a little, I think Freddy V Jason is as well, yes?

Sometime this week I will tackle the apparently dreadful Part V and be back with my thoughts on a first viewing.
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post #54 of 152
2/13/07 at 6:13pm
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Originally Posted by BobClark
Bad. Shameful. A misfire.
But still redeemable for two reasons:
1) Jason's triumphant burst through the floor.
2) Wilma Deering.
I'd add 3) Best gore in the series.
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post #55 of 152
2/13/07 at 6:25pm
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Originally Posted by Andrew Collins
I agree about Part 3 being in glorious 2.35:1 bumps it up a little, I think Freddy V Jason is as well, yes?

Sometime this week I will tackle the apparently dreadful Part V and be back with my thoughts on a first viewing.

It's not bad, especially if you're a fan of gratuitous nudity. Tommy Jarvis has a pretty cool scene where he goes Chuck Norris on a retarded biker.
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post #56 of 152
2/13/07 at 7:15pm
I'll second the love for Part V. It's complete trash, gloriously irredeemable trash. The constant barrage of swearing, nudity, & violence is remarkable. Plus the climax features a heroic rescue from Dudley of Different Strokes!
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post #57 of 152
2/13/07 at 11:19pm
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Originally Posted by Jonathan Banks is my hero
I'd add 3) Best gore in the series.
4) The tent scene
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post #58 of 152
2/14/07 at 2:49am
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Originally Posted by JacknifeJohnny
Sorry, but I'm going to have to cry foul, because Part VII features the classic "sleeping bag bash", which easily deserves a Top 5 placement in the series and maybe a Top 5 or 10 for slasher films in general.
I also really love the scene where the snooty Melissa character is warned by the Final Girl/Boy to not go outside, she tells them both to go fuck themselves, opens the door and then bam! Jason puts an axe in her skull and throws her corpse across the room and into a wall. Awesome.

Also, VII is Kane Hodder's first time behind the mask, so it gets my love even if the rest of it is lacking.
Okay, I'll give you the sleeping bag kill. The one bright spot in that whole waste of time. But for that one good bit, there's ten more in that movie like the death by party favor, or another squeeze to death- hell, I just didn't like the movie, no sense in analyzing it. I apologize.

I don't understand the whole Kane Hodder love- other than knowing he's great to fans. It seems like it exists just because he played Jason more than once, but there's nothing about his performances that really stick out for me, his on cue vomiting in Manhattan notwithstanding. I don't see a difference between his Jason and C.J. Graham's Jason from VI, they're interchangeable as far as I'm concerned.

Concerning the gore in Jason Goes to Hell, I just caught that one on cable a few months ago, and you all are right, that one has some of the goriest moments in the whole series. It seems the MPAA was so inconsistent with these. Or maybe it had more to do with the switch to New Line, either way that dude chunking down that heart and the aforementioned tent scene were some of the sicker stuff in all of the series.
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post #59 of 152
2/14/07 at 4:24am
Don't forget the melting of the deputy, and the poor guy who gets dunked in the fryer.
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post #60 of 152
2/23/07 at 1:55am
OK, so I watched Part V tonight, and I tried to like it.
But it was pretty shitty.

It was quick moving,
and I was surprised to see the old man from The Last Starfighter and the Prologue fedora guy from Last Crusade,
but ugh.

The kills were all totally generic. A whole bunch of machetes to the stomach.
I don't mind the "not actually Jason killing people" thing too much though.

Worth watching I guess, once.
Well, on to part 6...


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post #61 of 152
2/23/07 at 2:16am
Some people just aren't built for Friday the 13th, especially if you didn't grow up on it like a lot of us and that's cool, but the belt garrot across the eyes scene in V is a decent kill and the excessively wacky nature of the cast of "local yokels" appeals to me.
From what I understand the violence in the film was shredded by the MPAA (which is the story for most of the films in the series anyway) and the relatively abundant nudity was used as a substitute.
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post #62 of 152
2/23/07 at 2:27am
You don't watch part 5 for the volume of gore. You watch it for Kung Fu Tommy and Redneck Motorcycle Beheading. And Dudley.
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post #63 of 152
2/23/07 at 2:34am
Thread Starter 
Don't forget the nice tits on the girl who was fucking the sleeveless flannel guy.

To ever said these movies are shitty, NO DUH!
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post #64 of 152
2/23/07 at 3:53am
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Originally Posted by JacknifeJohnny
Some people just aren't built for Friday the 13th, especially if you didn't grow up on it like a lot of us and that's cool
Well, i grew up with all the other series of horror films from the 80's, and I love Friday I and II, so I think I'm built for it, just want these sequels to be 13% better than they are. If there were uncensored versions, I'm sure it would push them up a lot higher. It's not more gore I need as much as decent editing during the kills.

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Originally Posted by JacknifeJohnny
but the belt garrot across the eyes scene in V is a decent kill and the excessively wacky nature of the cast of "local yokels" appeals to m.
I agree. I also loved the outhouse scene in a strange way.

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Originally Posted by 70sCinema
You watch it for Kung Fu Tommy and Redneck Motorcycle Beheading.
Kun Fu Tommy was grand and surprising, but the motorcycle beheading was just a stuffed head flying through the air and landing on the ground. Not all that exciting. I remember seeing a picture of this scene and thought i would be able to enjoy some actual beheading footage. Nope, just a fake head landing.

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Originally Posted by General Zod
To ever said these movies are shitty, NO DUH!

Yeah, well that's what I'm trying to determine.
There have been non-shitty moments in all that I've seen so far, Part 2 is now on my definite to-buy list.
So I'm not going to assume anything, you bastards.



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post #65 of 152
2/23/07 at 1:48pm
After sleeping on it,
I have decided I like V more than III.
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post #66 of 152
2/23/07 at 1:57pm
That could be. Three was weak, but that ending, man...

I remember back in the day when Part Five was considered the worst of the lot. Before the trip to New York and the days of the slugs. Before the dark times.
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post #67 of 152
2/23/07 at 6:27pm
Between III and V, I'd rather go with III. It has some great intentional comedy, and Jason gets really frightening towards the end, when he's chasing after Chris, and during the barn sequence.
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post #68 of 152
2/23/07 at 7:20pm
Part III gets points just offering up a goofy collection of victims - the Italian couple at the beginning, the bikers, the hippies, Shelley the Putz. Plus it features one of my favorite moments of Voorhees Super Strength - the eyeball popping head sqeeze. Ah, memories.
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post #69 of 152
2/23/07 at 10:16pm
Don't forget Shelly's hilarious run to the car.
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post #70 of 152
2/28/07 at 3:06pm
Jason takes Arsenio.
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post #71 of 152
2/28/07 at 3:35pm
Part 4 will always be my favorite for sentimental reasons. It was the first of the series that I saw. I fondly remember watching it at my neighbor's house. I was 7, the place was full of (I presume) horny teenagers and there was a nice thunder storm going on outside. The atmosphere was perfect and it scared the shit out of me. That was almost 20 years ago, so my memory of that day may be more or less accurate.

I'm also a fan of Part 6 - I think it's the most entertaining of all of them. There's just something about it. The RV dry humping (or what might as well have been dry humping) always amused me as a kid, too.

Jason Goes to Hell would have been almost fucking great had it not been for the lack of ...uhm... Jason? I hated the body-hopping bullshit as it killed any Friday the 13th vibe the film may have had. The opening was great and the tent scene awesome (probably THE best sex scene of them all) but after that, until Jason jumps through the floor, the film is crap and might as well be any old slasher flick besides Friday the 13th.

Honestly, 1-7 are pretty watch-able, even now, in my old age. After that, not so much. Unfortunately, Jason Takes Manhattan was the first one I got to see in a theater. With my mom. I guess maybe I'm bad luck.
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post #72 of 152
2/28/07 at 5:26pm
I've found every Friday flick, even the New Line ones watchable. The only ones I saw in the theater were Jason X, and Freddy Vs. Jason, the latter being a midnight show, and one of the best audience participation experiences that I've ever had.
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post #73 of 152
3/1/07 at 12:01am
Alright, fellas - just watched Jason Lives for the first time, the credits are still rolling.

That's more like it. This is definitely one of the best, certainly more entertaining than almost any of them as said previously.

And how bout that ending with the boat, the chain noose and fire and all that?
Super! Then Alice comes and sings us out.
Not even mentioning how much better this Tommy is compared to Kung Fu Tommy (at least acting-wise), and the maggoty ressurrection at the beginning.
I am certainly a fan.

Now on to Part 7. I hear it's the most censored one, yes? I assume I will still enjoy the sleeping bag thing though, right?
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post #74 of 152
3/1/07 at 1:46am
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Originally Posted by Andrew Collins
I assume I will still enjoy the sleeping bag thing though, right?
Glad you felt the love for VI, I knew you would; and yes, if nothing else, you'll love the sleeping bag.
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post #75 of 152
3/1/07 at 1:51am
Thread Starter 
All of the Fridays have a surprising amount of re-watchability except Manhattan. What a hunk of shit. Punching the head off is funny, but there's too much garbage to endure to get there.
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post #76 of 152
3/1/07 at 1:57am
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Originally Posted by JacknifeJohnny
Glad you felt the love for VI, I knew you would; and yes, if nothing else, you'll love the sleeping bag.

Theatrical cut of kills followed by the uncut versions from Part VII including the sleeping bag...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbH3AePjKLg

I'd also suggest turning down the volume.
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post #77 of 152
3/1/07 at 1:01pm
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Originally Posted by Amphibatron
Theatrical cut of kills followed by the uncut versions from Part VII including the sleeping bag...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbH3AePjKLg

I'd also suggest turning down the volume.

Holy shit!
I haven't even seen that movie yet, but I need an unrated version on DVD stat.
That face squeezing thing is lovely.

It's annoying, I wish the MPAA from the 80's could realize that in a decade or two they would be giving an R rating to Hills Have Eyes/Saw III type movies, and cut the Friday's some slack in the gore department...
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post #78 of 152
3/1/07 at 1:44pm
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Originally Posted by Amphibatron
Theatrical cut of kills followed by the uncut versions from Part VII including the sleeping bag...

I'd also suggest turning down the volume.
that was great! But someone get me an icepick to get that damn song out of my head...
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post #79 of 152
3/1/07 at 2:57pm
That video literally made me angry.

These movies already are classics in a way, but with that added gore factor they would be all-timers. I'd watch them constantly.

Fuck Paramount. Fuck the MPAA.
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post #80 of 152
3/1/07 at 5:58pm
Don't fuck this thread up with "classic" talk and hyperbole and whatnot.
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post #81 of 152
3/1/07 at 6:36pm
Whoa there, big fella. Note the judicious use of "in a way." I know their place.
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post #82 of 152
3/1/07 at 6:39pm
I was kidding. But I'm not shedding any tears over the butchered "vision" of Friday the 13th Part 7. I like a good gorefest, but that sleeping bag thing went on forever. holy hell.
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post #83 of 152
3/1/07 at 6:59pm
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Originally Posted by 70sCinema
I was kidding. But I'm not shedding any tears over the butchered "vision" of Friday the 13th Part 7. I like a good gorefest, but that sleeping bag thing went on forever. holy hell.
I know you were kidding. Note the smiley, which I hate using.

I still want the gorier cut.
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post #84 of 152
3/1/07 at 7:13pm
We all do and that is the number one reason I haven't bought the Friday the 13th or NOES box set.
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post #85 of 152
3/2/07 at 1:11am
I've always enjoyed Part III. the most out of the "original" four. That scene where Jason heads toward the house after shooting the arrow through that chick's eye was always creepy to me. Getting to see the 3-D version in a theatre a few years back was a real treat though the 3-D effects brought nothing.

As for the remaining films, "Part V" is easily the worst of the Paramount films but it works as a "Saturday Night" after-midnite B-movie on cable.

On a side note, am I the only one who misses the old days when they showed amusingly-crappy movies on USA "Up All Night" and other channels on the weekends? The good old days.

Part VI. was great because it had fun with the series. "VII" was alright. I enjoyed "VIII" though the boat stuff took forever. "Jason Goes To Hell" was good as a gore-fest but I can completely understand why die-hard fans would be pissed with what they did. "Jason X" sucked except for the virtual reality ode to "VII". "Freddy Vs. Jason" was a massive letdown on just about every level though I dig Monica Keena so I can watch it on occasion.
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post #86 of 152
3/2/07 at 1:32am
Up all Night was where i first saw Troma movies. Then came horror movies.
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post #87 of 152
3/2/07 at 1:46am
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Originally Posted by imdb
Alternate versions for...
Friday the 13th:
Annie's death showed more blood come out of her throat after it was slit.

There was an shot of Jack's death from a top view where the arrow in Jack's throat turns, causing much more blood to shoot straight at the camera, and also in his mouth.

Originally, the axe hits Marcie in the face and she slides all of the way down to the floor.

It took Mrs. Voorhees a little longer to fall down and blood was squirting out of her cut neck.

A scene showing Claudette's death was filmed, but then left out of the final cut. Claudette was actually knifed in the neck.

Friday the 13th Part 2:
A close-up shot Jeff and Sandra being double-impaled while having sex on the bed.

A close up shot of Crazy Ralph and the wire cutting.

A scene at the very end where we are shown the inside Jason's shack and see Pamela's face. While there, her eyes open. It was cut by Paramount for looking too fake.

A facing shot of Mark's face being split by the machete.

Blood was trimmed from the shot of Jason driving the hammer in the cop's head.

Bloodflow was cut from the shot of Jason driving an icepick into Alice's head.

Additional bloodflow was cut from the shot of Jason slicing Scott's throat.

Friday the 13th Part III (the one I most would like to see):
The death scene of Andy showed his right leg and stomach being cut apart.

Vera's death was longer, it included more blood and a shot of her reaction. It was cut because the board said that it looked too real.

Edna's death was cut of excess blood.

The impaling of Chili with the hot poker was cut. Originally, the impalement was shown, along with a splash of smoldering blood.

Debbie's death originally showed blood spraying across her upper half.
Just a taste of some of what could be, if they ever release unrated versions of these films, which I doubt.
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post #88 of 152
3/2/07 at 5:07am
This thread rocks. About time that the first 4 Friday the 13ths get props for actually creating some seriously creepy backwoods atmosphere. When he was played as a still-human loon, Jason was actually very effective.

Favorite Series moment: Amy Steel racing into Jason's backwoods shack, she pauses for a breath, and the camera reveals Jason through a back window charging through the woods after her.

Anyway, 1-4 are excellent. 4 being my favorite, because it's a more amped-up and brutal film. Plus it has Crispin Glover doing that bizarre robot dance.

5 is entertaining, but more in a Scooby Doo kinda way. Incidentally, most episodes of Scooby Doo featured tougher "who-dunnit?" mysteries than this flick (they may as well have put a neon-flashing subtitle under the killer's face when he glares at the screen psychotically during his first two minutes onscreen), but I still give it points for its trashy fun.

6 is goofy, but it works.

As for the others... I'm definitely anti-Zombie Jason. The character stopped being menacing, and the films began feeling like Terminator clones rather than Friday the 13th flicks. JGTH gets points for being at least being "out there," but not altogether successful in any department.

edit: I just realized I'd already posted in this thread like... months ago. *shrug*
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post #89 of 152
3/2/07 at 11:34am
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Originally Posted by 70sCinema
I was kidding. But I'm not shedding any tears over the butchered "vision" of Friday the 13th Part 7. I like a good gorefest, but that sleeping bag thing went on forever. holy hell.
No shit. That sleeping bag scene just kept going and going. The original cut is almost too short on the other hand. A few smacks against the tree would've been sufficient.

As for old shows... Up All Night... Captain USA (?) and Saturday Nightmares. I grew up on those.
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post #90 of 152
3/2/07 at 11:43am
I would keep in mind that what we saw was probably closer to raw footage than a truly edited scene. I just wish we could have gotten those chunks flying everywhere.
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post #91 of 152
3/2/07 at 12:36pm
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Originally Posted by whiskaz

As for old shows... Up All Night... Captain USA (?) and Saturday Nightmares. I grew up on those.
That was some great stuff. USA used to run the first three Ft13's late Saturday nights. Nothing like coming home from hanging with your friends and finding potato sack Jason waiting for you.
And before Up All Night there was the best of all late night shows- Night Flight.
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post #92 of 152
3/2/07 at 12:41pm
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Originally Posted by whiskaz
No shit. That sleeping bag scene just kept going and going. The original cut is almost too short on the other hand. A few smacks against the tree would've been sufficient.

As for old shows... Up All Night... Captain USA (?) and Saturday Nightmares. I grew up on those.
I could be wrong, but wasn't it Commander USA? The goofy guy that dressed like a bargain basement superhero, smoked cigars, and had conversations with sock puppets? My favorite memories of his show were during his hosted segments when he would show a gory clip from the featured movie and exclaim "Did you see that? HOLY CATS!"

The craziest thing about Commander USA (or Captain) was the timeslot of his program. As I recall, he was on Saturday mornings. Aside from cutting nudity and dubbing swearing, the films were uncut. There was nothing like getting up a weekend morning, turning on the tube, and seeing graphic Voorhees style dismemberments. Ah, the early days of cable.
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post #93 of 152
3/2/07 at 12:58pm
Commander USA's Groovy Movies. Every Saturday afternoon he showed an installment of a serial such as The Phantom Creeps, followed by some crazy assed movie. The cigar chomping Commander introduced me to the glory of the Aztec Mummy movies.
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post #94 of 152
3/2/07 at 1:07pm
Ah, Captain didn't sound right... but I knew it was something like that.

I think I posted a long awhile ago about a movie I half-recalled watching on that particular show. If I remember correctly it had a death-by-javelin and someone choking on a bar of soap... maybe? I think it may have been "Graduation Day" but I've yet to watch it to be sure.
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post #95 of 152
3/2/07 at 1:24pm
I loved Up All Night. And that bimbo host, what was her name?
Ahhh adolescent tingling.


Anyway, for me the single greatest moment in the series (up through part 6) is in Part 2 with Mom's head, sweater and the pitchfork. It has become one of my favorite horror film sequences.
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post #96 of 152
3/2/07 at 1:36pm
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Originally Posted by Andrew Collins
I loved Up All Night. And that bimbo host, what was her name?
Ahhh adolescent tingling.
I believe it was Ronda Shear.
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post #97 of 152
3/2/07 at 3:00pm
Yup... and good ol' Gilbert Gottfried.
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post #98 of 152
3/2/07 at 3:25pm
USA also used to rock the shit by broadcasting a Half-way to Halloween party every year in April... it would be, like, a forty-eight hour marathon of Friday the 13ths, Nightmare on Elm Streets and Troma Films.
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post #99 of 152
3/2/07 at 3:41pm
"I believe it was Ronda Shear". That's Rhonda Shear to you, mister.


And don't you Forget it!
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post #100 of 152
3/2/07 at 4:22pm
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Originally Posted by Richason
I could be wrong, but wasn't it Commander USA? The goofy guy that dressed like a bargain basement superhero, smoked cigars, and had conversations with sock puppets? My favorite memories of his show were during his hosted segments when he would show a gory clip from the featured movie and exclaim "Did you see that? HOLY CATS!"

The craziest thing about Commander USA (or Captain) was the timeslot of his program. As I recall, he was on Saturday mornings. Aside from cutting nudity and dubbing swearing, the films were uncut. There was nothing like getting up a weekend morning, turning on the tube, and seeing graphic Voorhees style dismemberments. Ah, the early days of cable.
Oh man! Back when Saturday mornings and early afternoons used to have monster movie marathons. Commander USA introduced to me such flicks as "Gamera Vs. Barugon", "Legend Of The Dinosaurs", and "Beginning Of The End". I miss the days when you could have some weirdo in a bad Halloween costume comment on the movies during a commercial break in cheap studio. Forget that "Dinner & Movie" crap. No thank you, TBS. Speaking of the Superstation and Saturday morning monster marathons, does anyone remeber the weekly one hosted by Granpa Munster that used to air after the old NWA wrestling show?
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