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post #1 of 19
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"I am not Montel Williams!"

See Richard Belzer as John Munch before SVU defanged him. Marvel at Andre Braugher's performance as one of the all time great tv assholes, nay, one of the all time great characters, Detective Frank Pembleton. (Is it a coincidence that series creator Paul Attastansio and writer David Shore are both now responsible for "House"? I think not.) Get your ass kicked seven ways to Sunday by "Three Men and Adena", a serious contender for the greatest television episode of all time.

We just launched that big West Wing retrospective, but I would say that Homicide is just as great--if not, at times, better--than the Sorkin show.

You get 35 discs and seven seasons of some of the best goddamn television ever made, plus the "Law and Order" crossovers AND the TV movie that wraps it all up--still, for my money, the best finale ever.

If you've never seen this show before and you've got some dough to drop--although it's cheaper at DeepDiscountDVD--you owe to yourself to check this series out. Buy now, thank me later.

This, West Wing, Six Feet--it's going to be one short Christmas list.
post #2 of 19
$200!? I love the show but the fist 2 seasons were super short and the final 1 or 2 sucked. Still a great show that got overlooked. I love how Buffy was priced.
post #3 of 19
Thread Starter 
I seem to remember Buffy being in that price range when it first came out, and it had a first season which was comparable to Homicide's first and second; 13 for Buffy S1, I think 16-17 for H1 & 2 together.

With anything, the price should go down. Took me a year to buy the Buffy box.
post #4 of 19
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel
$200!? I love the show but the fist 2 seasons were super short and the final 1 or 2 sucked. Still a great show that got overlooked. I love how Buffy was priced.
Considering that individual seasons of this show are priced at $65-$80 a piece and it's almost impossible to find it in syndication, I'd say $200 is a fair price. Too bad I just blew the last of my money on The West Wing, so this'll have to wait till Christmas.

Also, Three Men and Adena is THE single best episode of television.
post #5 of 19
What Rath said. This show is a classic, a special melding of crime fiction and indie film without which we wouldn't have The Shield or The Wire, and if you like either of those shows, you've got no excuse not to check this out. Bleak, cynical, and wrenchingly sad, but still as funny as almost any TV comedy you can name, even the weaker later seasons look bad only in comparison to the rest of the series.
post #6 of 19
See, I'm a huge devotee of the Wire, and my worry about this is that, being a network show, it will just come off as "The Wire Lite".

How do the two compare? Is Homicide more than just a PG-13 version of the R-rated HBO series?
post #7 of 19
I've been wanting to watch Homicide for a little while, and I've never seen a single episode before, so maybe I'll just chalk it up on the Christmas list along with the Paul Newman box set that is set to come out in a few days.

35 discs....that's how many freakin' episodes? Probably last long enough to reach the Rapture.
post #8 of 19
GREAT show. Even greater considering it was on the heels of that horrendous Matlock/Macgyver era of TV drama.The last season or 2 kind of sucked though as I recall. And that early 90s video-post look is fugly.
post #9 of 19
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I'm going to make a really stupid comparison for the sake of time: To go into H: LOTS comparing it to "The Wire" is like going into "Prison Break" expecting to see authentic "Oz" conditions--to do so does a disservice to each show.

What makes H:LOTS is that it's just as thematically rich and complex as "The Wire," and it's being done a good eight years before the release of "Wire." I've just gotten into "The Wire," and the thing that I've realized about it is that it really builds on what Homicide did on NBC. In that way, I'd say that "Wire" is the darker, more sprawling sequel to "Homicide."

And both are about, in their own way, how one becomes tied to an institution, and how that institution fails us.
post #10 of 19
Homicide: LOTS is the best cop show ever! You can watch it on the Sleuth channel if you can't afford the price tag, like me.

Definetly the most realistic cop show ever. Not many shootouts, just like real cop life. More about the people.

Great use of music.

When they get into the interrogations and the "red balls", there is nothing better.

Great archs for the characters that stuck the series out. I really want to own the complete series, but money is a factor.

Stand out episodes: Anything involving snipers they couldn't catch, guy stuck between a subway train (Vincent D'Onofrio), Steve Bucsemi shoots some cops, the Adena Watson case, Frank Pembleton (Andre Braugher) shows G he can get a confession out of anyone, Pembleton has a stroke and comes back from it, etc...

Sure the series became more action oriented or bad in the later years, but it was still great.

I can't wait to own it on dvd. Probably my favortie tv show of all time.
post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by Schwartz
See, I'm a huge devotee of the Wire, and my worry about this is that, being a network show, it will just come off as "The Wire Lite".

How do the two compare? Is Homicide more than just a PG-13 version of the R-rated HBO series?
It's not like The Wire at all. For the most part, the show focuses on murders and while it does take a look at the Baltimore drug trade. It doesn't go into it like The Wire. I wouldn't compare the two shows that way. Both are great but take a different look at things. If you want, Homicide takes glances at issues what the Wire later takes full on.

I wouldn't call Homicide PG-13. Clearly it's a network show and you can imagine where the profanity would be but still you can't dismiss the greatness of Homicide.

Also be on the look out for actors who had bit parts on Homicide only to be given full roles on the Wire. Best example, is Jim True-Frost who is in a great episode of Homicide in which the cops are on a steakout for a serial killer and have a dometic drama going on in the background. Just great great television.
post #12 of 19
I'm still on the fence. Everyone seems to say the show is great, but also confirm my doubts about it: that it shares a lot with the Wire, but it's more of network show, more episodic, more of a procedural "cop show". I still worry that my reaction will be like some people I know who saw Evil Dead 2 before the first one: why watch this when I've seen the same people do the same thing with more experience and resources?
post #13 of 19
Trust me Schwartz. Try out H:LOTS. You won't be disappointed. I have to admit to not seeing that many episodes of The Wire, but from what I've seen the pacing of the two shows, even though they tackle similar issues, is completely different. Homicide, from what I can tell is more episodic and being that , is quite a bit more fast-paced. In fact, I find that it has more in common with The Shield in that regard. Either way, the acting is stellar and the show actually has quite a few unique eps (for example one that's shot completely on DV from a serial killer's point of view) that keep it from becoming stagnant procedural week in and out. Also, the Bayliss and Pembleton partnership (Braugher and Kyle Secor) is one of the most interesting cop partnerships I've ever seen on TV.
post #14 of 19
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I wouldn't dream of calling any of the minds behind Homicide inexperienced.

First of all, in addition to David Simon, it's Tom Fontana, who was one of the masterminds behind St. Elsewhere and later went on to do "Oz." It's Barry Levinson, who, despite what you may think of some of his work, is at his best when he's telling stories about Baltimore--and like "The Wire", Homicide was shot on location in Baltimore with local actors as guest stars--something that cost them dearly, dearly, dearly, when it came time for the Emmys.

That's behind the camera. On screen, you have Ned Beatty, Jon Polito, and Yaphet Kotto--none of them spring chickens during H: LOTS's first season and many television and film credits behind them already. Andre Braugher, who was probally best known for "Glory," but also a respected actor at that point. Daniel Baldwin, the least known of the Baldwin clan. Melissa Leo. The great, great, great Clark Johnson--who later went on to become a director (helming the "Shield" and "Wire" pilots, among others). Belzer, a stand-up at that point but who was able to create this fantastic character that has become so defanged by his multiple appearances across television that it's kind of sad--although any Munch is better than no Munch. And of course, Kyle Secor, whose complete lack of recognition by the Academy is a crying shame.

In addition, as others have mentioned, a number of great guest stars--from Buscemi to Robin Williams to the mighty Chin, Bruce Campbell and even John Waters appeared on the show. Directors like Ted Demme and others got their start directing episodes of "Homicide." And David Simon has said that he learned so much about writing and making television--that he would later go on to use on "The Wire"--from Fontana and this show.

And for its time--NBC in the mid-90s--"Homicide" was an incredibly gritty and realistic show. Some of the depictions of the aftermath of the crimes are just cringe-inducing, there's even some nudity, and it's just as thematically dark as the great HBO shows. I mean, come on, the first story arc of the season involves the sexual assault and murder of a nine year old girl.

My proposal to you is this: If you've got Netflix or whatever, rent the first two seasons. It's only about eighteen episodes total--a little bit longer than the first season of an HBO series. If you're not hooked by then, say no more. But if "Three Men and Adena" doesn't blow you away, I'll...I don't know, I'll do something terribly embarrassing.

I leave you with this, and you'll know it when you see it: "There. You have a desk. Now, I wanna see lightning."
post #15 of 19
I only meant that after Homicide, Simon was more experienced in telling Baltimore cop stories, and had more resources to do it (and more) on HBO.

I'll give it a go. After this season of the Wire is over (and goddamn is it great, btw), I'll be having withdrawal anyway. Unfortunately, my netflix queue is already clogged with several seasons of Six Feet Under, Rescue Me, and Battlestar Galactica.
post #16 of 19
I've heard nothing but gushing reviews for H:LOTS. I have every episode at my disposal so I think i'm gonna watch it over xmas. Only downer is I think i'm missing one or two of the Law & Order crossover episodes.

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Originally Posted by RathBandu
(Is it a coincidence that series creator Paul Attastansio and writer David Shore are both now responsible for "House"? I think not.)
Are you sure Shore was a writer on H: LOTHS? Or are you mistaking him for David Simon, creator of The Wire, who was a writer on H: LOTHS and wrote the book the show was based on?
post #17 of 19
If anyone has WGN, Homicide is shown in syndication weekdays at 11 am EST. That gave me a chance to watch two episodes. My first reaction was that it reminded me of The Shield, even featuring the cop Vic Mackey killed from that show's pilot episode.
post #18 of 19
Probably a reason for the crossover with "The Shield" - Clark Johnson, way back at the beginning, directed the "Shield" pilot and then another four episodes on top of the stuff he did on "Homicide" and "The Wire."
post #19 of 19
The packaging for this set is hot shit. I want it so bad. Who wants to buy it for me?
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