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Originally Posted by Ian Challis
Seriously? You think Langenkamp was better than ANYONE in SCREAM? Whoa.
NEW NIGHTMARE just bores the tits off of me. It's got an effective opening and an interesting central conceit concerning the real Freddy Krueger, but it's also horribly acted, poorly paced, directed like shit, and not at all scary. SCREAM's not particularly scary, either, but it's smarter and funnier, and it has the balls to go all-out with the post-modernity. NEW NIGHTMARE sputters along trying to be both, and ends up doing neither right. And it has an annoying child actor along for the ride.
See, SCREAM works because it removes the supernatural element of the NIGHTMARE series. That way the film can be metatextual and get away with it. That, and it soundly kicks the ass of a genre that was beyond tired by that point. NN is just looking for a way to make the Freddy franchise fresh again. SCREAM kicks that franchise and its brothers in the nuts and tells them to stay down where they belong.
I sound like a SCREAM apologist, and I guess I kinda am. The sequels stretch the concept to breaking point and beyond, but there isn't an ounce of fat on the original. Can I see why horror fans hate it? Absolutely. I'm a horror fan and it pisses me off that SCREAM caused the industry to treat horror as a mockery in its wake. But in its own right, SCREAM is a good film.
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No, that isn't quite what I meant. I merely though Langenkamp was better than the main two of three actors in Scream.
Anyways, first things first- Craven created New Nightmare in an attempt to stop people making Nightmare on Elm Street sequals, not to revive the franchise.
I'll agree New Nightmare is pathy as hell, and the ending is a mess that almost ruins the film, but it has some excellent scenes, and comes the closest to anything I've yet seen to actually hinting at tackling the question of the effect horror films have on the people who make them, which is a sorely underused field.
Scream, by contrast, has no good ideas. It has a juvenile approach of pointing out cliches of a genre, repeating them endlessly, and thinking it has done something clever. I really can't find anything particularly imaginative in that, or anything to like it its parade of smug teenagers jeering at each other.
I don't see it going all-out with post modernity, I see it taking cheap shots.
I don't hate Scream. It's a watchable enough film, it just doesn't have the ideas or ingenuity of New Nightmare, even if it's better put together.
The genre had already be kicked to pieces reasonably effectively by Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer- it just didn't get the mass-market success.
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Originally Posted by Mattioli
Well said. And that doesn't make you a Scream apologist, it just makes you resistant to jumping on the "Scream sucks" bandwagon.
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No bandwagons involved here. I watched Scream expecting it to be a good film, having mainly heard that it was, and didn't particularly like it.