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Is "Jaws" REALLY a Horror Film?

post #1 of 19
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I saw a thing on Bravo last year (as I suspect many of you did, too) counting down the 100 scariest movie moments in film history. It was an enjoyable little show, and gave me some food for thought on future rentals.

Anyway, the point of this thread is this: at the risk of being a spoiler for any who may not have seen it, the Number One moment was "Jaws", on the theory that hey. . . this could really happen! You could be swimming along and. . . .Duh NUH duh NUH. . .. "A little shakin', a little. . . tenderizin'. . . an' down ya go." I know I never swim in the ocean w/o a great deal of unease anymore.

Horror films are my favorite kind of movies. "Jaws" is my favorite movie of all time. BUT, I never thought of "Jaws" as a horror film. I still don't. I think it's a superbly crafted drama (good book too; I read it 3 times when I was a kid, starting at age 9). My favorite part of it is Robert Shaw's portrayal of Quint. I wanted to be him when I grew up for a while. Except for the getting eaten by a shark, part. I notice something new every couple of times I watch it, too. But the focus doesn't seem to be on the terror or horror as much as on the character of Brody overcoming his fear & truimphing over this force of nature as the Everyman (which is what Roy Scheider said he was going for in his Playboy interview; see, I DO read the articles). But it just doesn't strike me as a horror film.

What say you all?
post #2 of 19
It's not a traditional horror film but it is one of the scariest films out there in my opinion.
post #3 of 19
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I'm with ya. I think the same could be said for the remake of "Cape Fear".
post #4 of 19
Horror films are meant to cause a natural reaction of, um, horror (or fear) in those watching it. Jaws accomplishes this in spades.

So, yes, it's a horror film.
post #5 of 19
You seem to be implying that it's too good to be a horror film. I think that of all the kinds of movies, the horror genre produces the steadiest and smelliest stream of crap, but that doesn't mean there haven't been some great ones. Being a horror movie doesn't make a film bad, being directed by Eli Roth does.
post #6 of 19
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Don't misunderstand me. I don't think calling it a horror film makes it any less worthy a film. I don't think other kinds of movie are better thn horror films. I just don't perceive "Jaws" as a horror film is all.
post #7 of 19
Totally a horror film. Hey, it's scary. Horror. End.
post #8 of 19
Thread Starter 
OK, Fab. That's a valid take on things, and many (including Bravo TV) would agree with you. But just to play Devil's Advocate and keep the discussion going, let me posit this:

Is a reaction of fear ALL that's necessary to make a movie a "horror" movie? I saw "Platoon" in the theatres back in 86, and the scene where the guy gets his arms blown off by the booby trap scared the hell out of me (I've always feared getting maimed in that manner more than getting killed; when the 1st Gulf War started, I was draftin' age, and this was the thing I worried about the most. Don't forget, they told all of us Iraq's army was going to be extremely hard to beat; a long, protracted conventional war was a real possibility. The ease of that campaign surprised us all.).

The first 30 minutes of "Saving Private Ryan" leaves you emotionally drained, and I daresay the chief emotion you're feeling on that roller coaster ride is fear (I mean, that landing craft full of guys got killed before they even hit the damn beach! They never saw it coming!) That was disturbing, as was Pvt. Mellish's slow, knife to the heart death scene later in the film.

What makes films like these, that unquestionably evoke fear very effectively, not horror movies?

My theory is that whatever strikes you as the most salient theme in the film (and many horror films give you no other themes to choose from but terror/horror, which is a good thing, because that's what they're SUPPOSED to do, thank God) is how you will interpret a film that could go either way, like "Jaws". Some maybe seized on horror as the salient theme; they certainly advertised it like that. But others, like me, seized on the drama. Doesn't make either take WRONG, it's just a different way of looking at the same things. "Reasonable minds can differ", as we lawyers say.

What do you guys think?
post #9 of 19
Who says horror films can't have drama? Some of the best have drama in spades.

JAWS is very much a horror film. But it's just a great movie, period. It's beyond labels.
post #10 of 19
This is why genre labels are archaic.

I would consider Jaws a horror film. Ditto The Silence of the Lambs, and Seven.
post #11 of 19
Again, I think you're underestimating what a horror movie can or should be. Just because a movie isn't placed in the "Drama" section of the store doesn't meand it doesn't have effective drama. The only example I can come up with of a "masterpiece" that doesn't reach outside its immediate genre is 2001.
post #12 of 19
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Please don't misunderstand my intention here, fellas. I am NOT, repeat, NOT implying horror is a lesser genre than any other. Why would I even be here on a HORROR message board if I thought that!?

The point behind this thread was that I was surprised by Bravo's including it on a list of horror films, because I always thought it was a drama in my own small mind. That was not intended to imply that I think it's a "better" movie than say DOTD or The Thing (probably my second and third favorite movies of all time, not necessarilty in that order) just because they're horror movies. I just wanted to hear people's opinions, not to come off like a "drama snob". I could probably tack on another 20 yrs to my life if I could add all the time I've spent watching horror movies or reading horror movies to the end of it.
post #13 of 19
I've always thought of JAWS as an adventure film. You've got the main hero, his friend, and the craggy professional teamed up (the good guys). You've got one evil eating machine (the bad guy), and the quest to find him and destroy him, thereby saving the people (Amity Island). And the major part of the film is the journey to find the shark.

Drama, adventure, horror, it can be classified as all of these, which is why it is the classic it is.
post #14 of 19
As a film that crosses genres, Jaws could be classified in numerous ways, but most people consider it horror due to the film emphasizing the not uncommon fear of shark attack / drowning / open water. Yes, the movie also works as a rousing adventure tale, but I think the larger impression made on the viewer is one of horror.

Unlike Jaws IV which is a straightahead farce.
post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by IggytheBorg

Is a reaction of fear ALL that's necessary to make a movie a "horror" movie? I saw "Platoon" in the theatres back in 86, and the scene where the guy gets his arms blown off by the booby trap scared the hell out of me.

The first 30 minutes of "Saving Private Ryan" leaves you emotionally drained, and I daresay the chief emotion you're feeling on that roller coaster ride is fear (I mean, that landing craft full of guys got killed before they even hit the damn beach! They never saw it coming!) That was disturbing, as was Pvt. Mellish's slow, knife to the heart death scene later in the film.

What makes films like these, that unquestionably evoke fear very effectively, not horror movies?

My theory is that whatever strikes you as the most salient theme in the film (and many horror films give you no other themes to choose from but terror/horror, which is a good thing, because that's what they're SUPPOSED to do, thank God) is how you will interpret a film that could go either way, like "Jaws". Some maybe seized on horror as the salient theme; they certainly advertised it like that. But others, like me, seized on the drama. Doesn't make either take WRONG, it's just a different way of looking at the same things. "Reasonable minds can differ", as we lawyers say.

What do you guys think?
I think that to some extent, horror movies subtextually give a face to our more abstract and nebulous fears - granted, war IS horrifying in just about every/any way imaginable. But the horrors depicted in Platoon and SPR are to a large extent, random and perpetrated by fate or random chance (the SS guy killing Mellish is an exception).

What horror does is it allows you to take your free-floating anxieties and graft them onto a "monster" - nearly EVERY horror movie has a definable protagonist. What makes a horror movie in my mind is the monster - Jaws has a monster; Aliens has a monster; Schindler's List, while somewhat more nebulous than the other two, has its own form of a monster (Ralph Fiennes).

Just my take. Hopefully it's reasonably coherent.
post #16 of 19
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Very coherent, indeed. Well said.
post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by Mayor Douchebag
And I'm not going to stand here and see that thing cut open and see that little Kintner boy spill out all over the dock.
Comedy Gold... This movie (in the right hands) could have been Splatstick.

As it stands, it's a well-crafted Monster Movie (or for you video store employee labelists: horror or adventure). An atmospheric popcorn flick that rises above Drive-in fair due to a combination of Spielberg's wunderkind profiency, a great script, kickass Williams score, and a perfect cast that delivers in spades.

As a Monster Movie (with adventure elements), it would sit in my dvd sub-genre section with King Kong, The Mummy (1999), etc... or in the Animals Attack section with the Edge, Anaconda, and Ghost and the Darkness, etc... or my Killer Aquatic Life section with Deep Blue Sea, Orca, Lake Placid, and Piranha, etc. .. if I was that anal retentive...
post #18 of 19
When I think of a horror film, I think of a pervasive sense of dread. Jaws is far too spirited and adventurous to create that kind of atmosphere. Sure there's some "Gotcha!" moments, but I think it solidly rests in the adventure genre rather than horror.
post #19 of 19
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
When I think of a horror film, I think of a pervasive sense of dread. Jaws is far too spirited and adventurous to create that kind of atmosphere. Sure there's some "Gotcha!" moments, but I think it solidly rests in the adventure genre rather than horror.
I can see that. It's like calling POTC: Curse of the BlackPearl straight horror because of undead pirates. Or calling POTC: Dead Man's Chest horror because of... the Dead... and the Man's Chest...

Or, it's nothing like that at all.

I'll lean towards either horror or adventure if somebody bribes me with a dollar.
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