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Whedon talks "Buffy: Season 8"

post #1 of 264
11/23/06 at 1:56am
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http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1562057_3_0_,00.html

Coming next year from Dark Horse.
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post #2 of 264
11/23/06 at 2:07am
Well, looks like I'm going to have to go back into a comic store again.

Here's my nerd question, though: If this takes place shortly after season 7, it would have to, theoretically, coincide with season 5 of Angel. Whedon basically jumpstarted the apocalypse at the end of that show. I wonder if we're going to finally get some answers about what kind of shit went down after "let's go to work." Part of me wants to know, part of me doesn't.
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post #3 of 264
11/23/06 at 2:12am
Also, Whedon's comic book "Fray", which he's said is to be considered canon, makes reference to an early 21st century apocalypse which wipes all the demons off the face of the Earth, sucking them back into Hell or something. If that's the battle that started at the end of Angel, as many have speculated it was, wouldn't a theoretical Season Eight have to address that, and in effect, end the Buffyverse all together? I mean, you can have all the slayers in the world, but they're going to need demons or somethin' to fight.

Anya, Brendan, Jesse Custer, can you back me up on this?
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post #4 of 264
11/23/06 at 2:27am
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Originally Posted by RathBandu
Here's my nerd question, though: If this takes place shortly after season 7, it would have to, theoretically, coincide with season 5 of Angel. Whedon basically jumpstarted the apocalypse at the end of that show. I wonder if we're going to finally get some answers about what kind of shit went down after "let's go to work." Part of me wants to know, part of me doesn't.
according to the article he doesn't plan on addressing the Angel cliffhanger in this comic book series.
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post #5 of 264
11/23/06 at 2:40am
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Originally Posted by RathBandu
Well, looks like I'm going to have to go back into a comic store again.

Here's my nerd question, though: If this takes place shortly after season 7, it would have to, theoretically, coincide with season 5 of Angel. Whedon basically jumpstarted the apocalypse at the end of that show. I wonder if we're going to finally get some answers about what kind of shit went down after "let's go to work." Part of me wants to know, part of me doesn't.
Actually, the Apocalypse doesn't come till the season finale so he wouldn't necessarily have to incorporate it. The only thing that would have to coincide with Angel is the search for more potentials as seen in the episode "Damage".
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post #6 of 264
11/23/06 at 4:10am
I always assumed that whatever Fray was referring to was the big, climactic finale of the (present-day) Buffyverse--the thing that finally ended it, for all intents and purposes. Well, I'll just say it: the events of some theoretical Buffy movie that would cap off the franchise.

Obviously he had to remain vague in that regard--it had to be in the past of Fray while still leaving room for future Buffy stories.

Having this Ultimate Super For Really-Reals Apocalypse begin at the end of Angel doesn't really make sense, though. That was just the Senior Partners doing heavy-duty damage control to take out Angel and co., who had become serious thorns in their sides. As we've seen, Wolfram & Hart doesn't actually seem to have any interest in triggering the apocalypse, unless it's entirely on their terms. The status quo serves their interests better. Which is actually why the original apocalypse--you know, the Judeo-Christian one--is usually considered to be kickstarted by God, not the Devil.
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post #7 of 264
11/23/06 at 5:37am
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Originally Posted by RathBandu
Well, looks like I'm going to have to go back into a comic store again.

Here's my nerd question, though: If this takes place shortly after season 7, it would have to, theoretically, coincide with season 5 of Angel. Whedon basically jumpstarted the apocalypse at the end of that show. I wonder if we're going to finally get some answers about what kind of shit went down after "let's go to work." Part of me wants to know, part of me doesn't.
This was already answered, actually. Whedon authorized, but didn't write, two seperate Angel mini-series that took place after the last episode of Angel. I meant to read them, but never got around to picking them up. I did look them up on Wiki, just to see who lived and who died and it sounded pretty anti-climactic. Of course, these aren't considered cannon, even though Whedon has to authorize them, so who knows.
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post #8 of 264
11/27/06 at 3:28pm
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Originally Posted by The Prankster
Having this Ultimate Super For Really-Reals Apocalypse begin at the end of Angel doesn't really make sense, though. That was just the Senior Partners doing heavy-duty damage control to take out Angel and co., who had become serious thorns in their sides.
Agreed.

With regard to FRAY, however, I never understood how vampires ("lurks") were able to creep back into "our" dimension if Buffy had somehow sealed all magic and demons out of it... especially in consideration of the fact that the Buffy mythos castes vampires as the bottom-feeders of the demon hierarchy.

A few possibilities, then: (1) the above-referenced event was actually the sealing of the Sunnydale hellmouth, leaving other Hellmouths (a la Cleveland) unscathed and demon-spewin' or (2) the above-referenced event hasn't yet occurred within Buffy continuity... there's really no evidence to suggest that the Angel finale was the start of that apocolyptic battle.

Regardless, I'll be in the local comic shop come March to pick up Season 8.
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post #9 of 264
11/28/06 at 3:37am
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Originally Posted by RathBandu
Also, Whedon's comic book "Fray", which he's said is to be considered canon, makes reference to an early 21st century apocalypse which wipes all the demons off the face of the Earth, sucking them back into Hell or something. If that's the battle that started at the end of Angel, as many have speculated it was, wouldn't a theoretical Season Eight have to address that, and in effect, end the Buffyverse all together? I mean, you can have all the slayers in the world, but they're going to need demons or somethin' to fight.

Anya, Brendan, Jesse Custer, can you back me up on this?
Like others have said, I think the Fray apocalypse is a yet-to-happen event. Angel confirmed that the "real" apocalypse is going on around us all the time, and that Evil Lawyers were more interested in keeping the world all a-turmoiled rather than ending it.

I have to say - the art's kind of lackluster from what we're shown.
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post #10 of 264
12/7/06 at 2:01pm
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New interview, with some too-small-to-read-the-text preview pages.

http://www.tvguide.com/News-Views/In...e/default.aspx

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post #11 of 264
12/7/06 at 3:40pm
I liked the links they had to the comic on that site. The Saddam idea that Whedon used is hilarious. Especially when you consider Angel's episode about The Girl in Question.
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post #12 of 264
12/9/06 at 11:07pm
I liked that Joss Whedon's favorite show maybe ever is BSG.
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post #13 of 264
2/2/07 at 11:53am
More Whedon details up at, sigh, MTV: Right Here.
Since I'm not big on actually going to a comics shop, can anyone recommend a subscription service? For me, this one will be worth it.
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post #14 of 264
2/2/07 at 1:27pm
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Originally Posted by Mattioli
Since I'm not big on actually going to a comics shop, can anyone recommend a subscription service? For me, this one will be worth it.
Just like everything else these days, if you search around online you can find somewhere to "get" it.
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post #15 of 264
2/2/07 at 2:07pm
No, I've found plenty of subscription services online. I want to know if there is a particular one that other Chewers find to be the best, regarding promptness, pricing, customer service and the like. Dark Horse itself recommends TFAW.
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post #16 of 264
2/2/07 at 2:48pm
I wasn't meaning subscription services.
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post #17 of 264
2/2/07 at 2:51pm
lazy fuck.
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post #18 of 264
3/18/07 at 2:25pm
I'm not even a comic collector and I bought Buffy #1 this weekend. Its a great freakin' read.. but waaay to short.

I can't be the only one who went to the comic store this past week. Anyone?
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post #19 of 264
3/18/07 at 6:12pm
You werent....we sold out of buffy at our store by friday.It is a good read!
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post #20 of 264
3/21/07 at 9:25am
Picked it up, dug it.

Xander remains my fave:

Xander: For the last time, Call me Xander or...Sgt. Fury
Girl: Wasn't Nick Fury a Colonel when he ran SHIELD
Xander: Yeah but I liked him better when he was running the Howling Commandos. And your geek cred just went up. "

I laughed out loud. Good stuff. When Whedon is on, god damn.
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post #21 of 264
3/22/07 at 11:48am
Any mention of Angel or Spike?
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post #22 of 264
3/22/07 at 11:53am
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Originally Posted by bigbrother
Any mention of Angel or Spike?
No, but he's hinted that they'll both make limited appearances over the course of the series.
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post #23 of 264
3/22/07 at 12:34pm
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Originally Posted by bigbrother
Any mention of Angel or Spike?
Unfortunately, they're under separate contract to IDW, so while there may be the odd allusion or cameo appearance, they won't be part of the main storyline.

Anyone more Whedon-knowledgeable than myself know how the final episode of the Angel TV series connects with the timeline on this series?
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post #24 of 264
3/22/07 at 12:41pm
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Whedon's said that the comic series takes place 18 months-2 years after the Buffy finale. Which would put it 6 months to a year after the Angel finale, I guess.

Whedon's also said that he's free to use Angel and Spike as much as he wants, but that he doesn't want to step on IDW's toes too much. There's been talk of him doing a canon Angel series there, as well.
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post #25 of 264
3/22/07 at 4:10pm
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Originally Posted by Matt M
Whedon's said that the comic series takes place 18 months-2 years after the Buffy finale. Which would put it 6 months to a year after the Angel finale, I guess.
Which I find odd. Maybe it's just me, but the final episode of Angel ended with half the cast dead and/or gone (and Gunn on his way out), and our heroes left to stand alone against the hordes of hell... I dunno, just seems strange for things to be "back to normal" after that, as though it was just another monster fight. Somehow it felt like it was supposed to be more important than that.

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Originally Posted by Matt M
Whedon's also said that he's free to use Angel and Spike as much as he wants, but that he doesn't want to step on IDW's toes too much. There's been talk of him doing a canon Angel series there, as well.
Personally, I think he should step on them long and hard. Those series are unreadable.
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post #26 of 264
4/6/07 at 11:24am
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Issue 2 is better than the first. A storyline dealing with Xander's never-satisfactorily-resolved feelings towards Buffy? Yes, please.
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post #27 of 264
4/15/07 at 1:27am
plus the return of Willow - and Giles first appearance
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post #28 of 264
5/6/07 at 7:52am
#3:
"Hey! Who kissed me?"
"Fe Fi Fo... F%$#ing Fum."
Giles, yay.
Learn to draw Andrew already!
Oh god, there's two trains going into the pink volcano.

So, Long Way Home concludes next month. Does this mean each 'episode' will be four issues, or is this the equivalent of a two-hour pilot? Either way that means it'll be a while 'til the end of the 'season'. At least we won't get reruns.
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post #29 of 264
5/7/07 at 2:41am
It's gonna be a long while. In the letters column, they announced it was stretching to between 40-50 issues for Season 8, instead of the 21 announced.
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post #30 of 264
5/17/07 at 7:45pm
I haven't subscribed to a comic book series, or been to a comic book store.....in a long, long time.

Loving this series so far. How often do they come out (forgive my newbishness). Picked up BTVS: Origins, Risings Stars Vol. 1, ordered Angel Season 6 and the Buffy Omnibus, The Long Halloween, and asked about a Frank Miller Daredevil collection while I was there.

I figured I'd check in every few months.


**on a sidenote, it was intriguing to check out Magic Card Prices. A friend of mine has between 25-50K easy in Beta and Unlimited Cards, going by face value in the store. When I called him he didn't believe me. He still doesn't, frankly.

My own collection was sadly winnowed about thirteen years ago when I needed the cash. I doubt I could must more than a thousand for the entire lot, primarily due to the atrocious condition they're in.
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post #31 of 264
5/18/07 at 12:54am
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Originally Posted by Overlord
I haven't subscribed to a comic book series, or been to a comic book store.....in a long, long time.

Loving this series so far. How often do they come out (forgive my newbishness).
They've been coming out monthly, so far--no significant delays. Seems like Dark Horse realizes how important the series is to their bottom line, and has planned accordingly.
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post #32 of 264
5/18/07 at 1:36am
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Originally Posted by Matt M
They've been coming out monthly, so far--no significant delays. Seems like Dark Horse realizes how important the series is to their bottom line, and has planned accordingly.
Monthly! For forty or fifty episodes! Yipes.
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post #33 of 264
6/1/07 at 5:22pm
I just finished reading up through issue 3. So far, i'm enjoying the familiarity of the core characters, and the prospect of Buffy stories with unlimited budget. However, does anyone else think that the use of older characters (Ethan Rayne, Warren, Amy) seems a bit contrived? It's starting to feel less like a new season, and more like a cheesy reunion episode. Am I alone?
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post #34 of 264
6/1/07 at 5:30pm
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Originally Posted by Baltarstar
I just finished reading up through issue 3. So far, i'm enjoying the familiarity of the core characters, and the prospect of Buffy stories with unlimited budget. However, does anyone else think that the use of older characters (Ethan Rayne, Warren, Amy) seems a bit contrived? It's starting to feel less like a new season, and more like a cheesy reunion episode. Am I alone?
Yes.
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post #35 of 264
6/1/07 at 11:15pm
I'll agree-- any more cameos from incidental characters like Ethan could bog things down and reduce the scope of the Buffiverse. As long as Angel and Spike stay out of the picture and none of the characters are revealed to be twins separated at birth or something, we should be OK.
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post #36 of 264
6/2/07 at 12:47am
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Originally Posted by Overlord
Monthly! For forty or fifty episodes! Yipes.
I'd prefer they up the price a bit and give us twice as much content per issue. Maybe I'm just impatient, but I find having to essentially wait a month between ad breaks kind of irritating.
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post #37 of 264
6/2/07 at 6:01pm
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I'll agree-- any more cameos from incidental characters like Ethan could bog things down and reduce the scope of the Buffiverse. As long as Angel and Spike stay out of the picture and none of the characters are revealed to be twins separated at birth or something, we should be OK.
Don't get me wrong, I'm ok with everything so far, I suppose I just need to trust that Joss will deliver in the end. I just thought of something since you bring up Ethan Rayne again... Didn't the initiative arrest Ethan? Isn't it possible that Ethan is working with the initiative under captivity to help Buffy, (Hence the strange appearance of him in her dream), and to fight against the "non-paranormal" branch of the military? It seems like a stretch, but the army enlisted Amy to help them, why couldn't the initiative have done the same with Ethan? Does any of that make sense? It's so hot and humid here I think my brain has melted.
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post #38 of 264
6/2/07 at 6:16pm
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Originally Posted by Baltarstar
Isn't it possible that Ethan is working with the initiative under captivity to help Buffy, (Hence the strange appearance of him in her dream), and to fight against the "non-paranormal" branch of the military?
If they're going to get that deep into continuity, we better get some Out of Mind, Out of Sight invisible soldier action pretty soon.
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post #39 of 264
6/2/07 at 6:59pm
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Originally Posted by horrid
I'd prefer they up the price a bit and give us twice as much content per issue. Maybe I'm just impatient, but I find having to essentially wait a month between ad breaks kind of irritating.
If you had issues twice the size, the wait between them would be twice as long. Like it or not, the production turnaround on a 22 page comic (assuming you're sticking with one artist) is about a three weeks to a month, at best.
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post #40 of 264
6/2/07 at 10:49pm
Now that they know what the buy rates are on these things, could they not have multiple issues being made at once, to pump them out at a faster rate? (I know nothing of comic production)
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post #41 of 264
6/3/07 at 2:43am
Neither do I, but I'll take 'thought out' over 'pumped out' any month.
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post #42 of 264
6/3/07 at 3:51am
I don't see how 2 quality artists working at the same time, instead of waiting for one to finish for the next to start would result in a drop in quality.
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post #43 of 264
6/8/07 at 1:37pm
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Issue 4 was out Wednesday. Nice wrap up to the Willow abduction story, while keeping all of the main players on the table and the ultimate threat still mysterious.

The last page really worked for me, too.

And I seriously hope they'll return to the issue of Xander's feelings about Buffy.
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post #44 of 264
6/9/07 at 4:12am
I liked that the general had a good comeback to Buffy when she started in with her little "woman power" rant.
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post #45 of 264
6/9/07 at 4:33am
Here's my question:n warren meers cannot exist
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post #46 of 264
6/9/07 at 6:10am
Not actually a question.

If you're asking why he's still around, it gets explained in the issue. A little dubiously, but still.
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post #47 of 264
6/9/07 at 2:56pm
Forgot there was a comic section.
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If you're asking why he's still around, it gets explained in the issue. A little dubiously, but still.
True but he shouldn't exist they way they said because Warren was The First and it can only take the form of dead people. If Warren didn't actually die, we have a problem.

Still a great start to the series. There were some great reveals that would have been great for tv. And did one of the Slayers kiss Buffy?

Is there an Angel S6 in the works? Always thought that could have been a great season, even if they only got 13 episodes.
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post #48 of 264
6/9/07 at 3:02pm
Warren did die, methinks, but was quickly resurrected (or something?) by Amy. The First, of course, can appear as someone who's died, even if they've been brought back.

Still, I thought that bringing him back was a little lame-o...and Amy's crazy but there's nothing in her last appearance in S7 to hint that she's that crazy, to date a dude with no flesh, I mean.
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post #49 of 264
6/9/07 at 3:56pm
Clarified:

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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel
True but he shouldn't exist they way they said because The First appeared as Warren in Season 7 and it can only take the form of dead people. If Warren didn't actually die, we have a problem.
I guess I agree there, though the First was never written consistently. Adam would have been a more logical Amy ally, but he was always kind of dull.

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And did one of the Slayers kiss Buffy?
Willow told them all to close their eyes. It was totally Xander.

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Originally Posted by elektro87
Warren did die, methinks, but was quickly resurrected (or something?) by Amy.
According to issue 4, she spirited him away seconds before he would have died of insta-flaying. Scratch one loophole...
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post #50 of 264
6/10/07 at 1:59pm
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Originally Posted by Hammerhead
Willow told them all to close their eyes. It was totally Xander.
Thought Xander but he seemed too obvious. And Willow doesn't feel that way. So I figured Slayerette.

Went back to issue #3 and Buffy said she had cinnamon buns on her mouth. then the one slayer she brought with had the cinnamon lip gloss. Gotta be her.
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