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Saying 'no' to Gandalf cost Sir Sean up to £225 million - by STEPHEN MCGINTY

SEAN Connery turned down the largest paycheck in cinema history when he refused an offer to play Gandalf in the Lord of the Rings trilogy, it has emerged.
If the actor had put on the long white beard and clasped the wizard's staff as the hero of Middle Earth he would have earned as much as £225 million.

Peter Jackson, the director of the fantasy trilogy, has revealed that New Line Cinema, the production company behind the films, offered the Scottish actor between 10 and 15 per cent of worldwide box office takings to secure his participation.

A copy of the script was delivered to the actor in 1999 and the lucrative offer was put to CAA, the agency that manages him.

However Sir Sean turned the offer down as he did not understand the complicated plot of J.R.R. Tolkien's fantasy masterpiece.

If he had accepted the terms of the contract, which included a small fee but a large chunk of the film's future earnings, he would have earned more from a single screen role than any actor in the history of motion pictures.

The three films in the trilogy, The Fellowship of the Ring (2000), The Two Towers (2001) and The Return of the King (2002), earned a total of £1.5 billion at the box office, which would have meant the former Bond actor would have earned between £150 million and £225 million.

The fee would have dwarfed the £23 million earned by Jack Nicholson under a similar deal for his role as The Joker in Batman, released in 1989.

The offer, which had previously remained confidential, was revealed in a new biography of Mr Jackson, entitled A Film-Maker's Journey by Brian Sibley.

In the book, Mr Jackson explained that he was under pressure from the producers to cast Sir Sean in the role, which eventually went to Sir Ian McKellen who was later nominated for an Academy Award for his performance.

Mr Jackson explained: "New Line were indicating that having a major name like Connery was necessary in order for them to green-light the film. They asked us if we would agree to send a copy of the Fellowship screenplay to Sean with a view to enticing him to play Gandalf.

"I couldn't imagine him wanting to spend eighteen months in New Zealand, and I didn't think they could afford his fee, but [Mark] Ordesky [the film's executive producer] told me New Line were going to offer a small fee in exchange for a large slice of the gross.

"Mark said New Line was prepared to give him between 10 per cent and 15 per cent of the films' income. Some kind of offer must have gone in because in April 1999 the script was bundled off to Sean who read it - and declined the role."

At the time rumours swept through New Zealand that Sir Sean was taking the role and there were a number of fictitious sightings of the Scotsman.
The director said he had been concerned that despite the actor's ability, his fame would eclipse the role. Mr Jackson explained: "I felt Gandalf would take on a Sean Connery persona, with a long beard and robe."

Last year Sir Sean explained his decision to turn down the role: "Yeah, well, I never understood it. I read the book, I read the script, I saw the movie. I still don't understand it. I would be interested in doing something that I don't fully understand, but not for eighteen months."

Last night, the book's author Mr Sibley said: "I don't know if Sean Connery regrets not taking the role. I suspect not as he clearly did not warm to the material, but you can imagine him in the role; he would have brought a different strength and charisma.

Mr Jackson this week upset fans of Middle Earth by stating that he would not be directing The Hobbit, the prequel to The Lord of The Rings. The director is in dispute with New Line over earnings he believes he is still due from the sales of DVD and computer games based on the trilogy. It is understood that he has earned £103 million from the films.

THE ONES THAT GOT AWAY


THIS is far from the first time an actor has rejected what turned out to be a blockbuster role.
  • Sean Connery spurned the part of Captain Von Trapp in The Sound of Music. It went to Christopher Plummer.
  • Julia Roberts rejected the starring role in Basic Instinct and Sharon Stone got it instead.
  • Tom Selleck turned down the Indiana Jones role in Raiders of the Lost Ark because he could not get out of the TV series Magnum. The second choice, Harrison Ford, became a superstar.
  • Gene Hackman said no to the role of Hannibal Lecter in Silence of the Lambs. Anthony Hopkins then got the part.
  • Michelle Pfeiffer backed out of the role of agent Clarice Starling in the same film. As a result, Jodie Foster landed one of her biggest hits.
  • George Raft turned down the role of hard-boiled private eye Sam Spade in the John Huston classic The Maltese Falcon, so giving Humphrey Bogart the role that kick-started his career.
  • Al Pacino rejected the role of Elliot Ness in The Untouchables, leaving it to Kevin Costner to take over the job.
  • Sylvester Stallone and Clint Eastwood both turned down Beverly Hills Cop - the part of Axel Foley went to wise-cracking Eddie Murphy instead.

Source: http://news.scotsman.com/internation...?id=1747562006
post #2 of 75
Connery just would not have been a good part in that film, im more then fine with how things worked out.
post #3 of 75
Good.

I can't imagine Connery in that role. McKellen was perfect. In fact, I thought the book version of Gandalf was a real prick and I was delighted to see the character played with some warmth and human emotion. Particularly in the early parts of Fellowship where Gandalf's "normal" personality shone through (fireworks, interactions with Frodo, etc...).
post #4 of 75
Just watch First Knight or Time Bandits to see what might have been. Probably would have been too much Connery and not enough Gandalf. Not that I wouldn't like to see it all the same.

Can anyone imagine the squeaky clean Roberts in Basic Instinct?
post #5 of 75
That article assumes that the films would have grossed the same amount with Connery in the role as they did with McKellen in the role, which is by no means a certainty.
post #6 of 75
"As a result, Jodie Foster landed one of her biggest hits."

I love how they have to remind us who actually got the roles after every one of these. Thanks, Stephen McGinty, I had forgotten.
post #7 of 75
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
That article assumes that the films would have grossed the same amount with Connery in the role as they did with McKellen in the role, which is by no means a certainty.
I have to doubt Connery would have been a drag on the box office.
post #8 of 75
McKellan is perfect, but I think Sean Connery would have been pretty damn good too.
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Originally Posted by Chris Wood
I have to doubt Connery would have been a drag on the box office.
You don't think a glaringly mis-cast role can have an affect on box office?
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
You don't think a glaringly mis-cast role can have an affect on box office?
post #11 of 75
The fifth film in one of the most profitable franchises of all-time will have built up slightly more goodwill than an incredibly risky gamble on an "unfilmable" book. McKellen's portrayal of Gandalf was a very big part of FELLOWSHIP's warm reception, and try as I might I can't picture Connery matching it. I'm sure the RINGS trilogy would still have made some serious bank, but the question of McKellen's absence affecting the size of its success is a valid one.
post #12 of 75
Exactly. The warmth and wisdom McKellen brought to the role undoubtedly helped people embrace the film, and those are two characteristics you don't associate with Connery.
post #13 of 75
Hayden Christiansen was fine as Anakin, but the little Bastard that played him TPM was completely miscast! I was watching it on Cinemax yesterday and at seven or so years of age TPM is already looking very weak CGI-wise. I guess it's just a given in todays digital age. Hopefully Big George will go back and "Special Edition" it.
post #14 of 75
Sounds like a Bond picture, with a fantasy twist.

"The Wizard That Never Was"



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Originally Posted by Master Chuin
Hayden Christiansen was fine as Anakin
WRONG.




Anyway -
Connery would've not worked properly in this role, nor would he have given as much effort and "TLC" to the role.
I dreaded that rumor in the late 90's and was thrilled when McKellen was cast.



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post #15 of 75
I'm not really a giant fan of the trilogy, but agree that Connery would have been distracting. In interviews, McKellan seemed to really care about the property, which should count for how right someone is or isn't for a role.
post #16 of 75
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
Exactly. The warmth and wisdom McKellen brought to the role undoubtedly helped people embrace the film, and those are two characteristics you don't associate with Connery.
What about:

Finding Forrester
Marnie
Time Bandits
Robin And Marian
Dragonheart
Just Cause
post #17 of 75
Connery could have been distracting in the previews, but I think he would have been fine in the actual movies.

Wait a minute. Sylvester Stallone as Axel Foley? Holy crap.
post #18 of 75
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Originally Posted by Van Jones
Wait a minute. Sylvester Stallone as Axel Foley? Holy crap.
Supposedly Cobra is more or less what the Stallone version would have been.
post #19 of 75
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Originally Posted by Chris Wood
What about:

Finding Forrester
Marnie
Time Bandits
Robin And Marian
Dragonheart
Just Cause
I really hope you're joking.
post #20 of 75
Wasn't he kind of warm and wise in those films?
post #21 of 75
Didn't Connery turn down the role of Morpheus in The Matrix for the exact same "I didn't get it" reasoning?
Lucky us!
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Originally Posted by Chris Wood
Wasn't he kind of warm and wise in those films?
What, Marnie? He was a manipulative bastard in that.
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Originally Posted by Hammerhead
What, Marnie? He was a manipulative bastard in that.
It's been a while. Wasn't he kind to that crazy blonde he should have dumped in the first act? She annoyed the hell out of me.
post #24 of 75
Connery has the same problem that Nicholson does: they never disappear into a role anymore. When you see Connery in a film, you see Connery, and it really doesn't matter who the character is.

Although Connery would certainly have hurt the immersive quality of the films by being Connery, I have to disagree that he'd have had a significant effect on the box office take. A movie doesn't make that kind of money off of hard-core cinephiles like the present company. The average schlub film-goer saw the Lord of the Rings movies because they gave good spectacle. Subtlety and warmth of performance aren't things that they care about. Heads got chopped off, giant demons roared, and a CGI elf foot-surfed down an elephant; that's what brought the general public in. Gandalf could have been played by James Gandolfini for all they cared.
post #25 of 75
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Originally Posted by Chris Wood
Wasn't he kind of warm and wise in those films?
Wasn't the combined gross of those films not equal to what FOTR took in?
post #26 of 75
Connery's legacy was set in stone decades ago. LOTR gave Ian McKellen a chance to cement his legacy, and he was brilliant. I don't think Connery would have been bad, but it's hard to envision him bringing the same gravitas and sincerity to the role that McKellen did. I'm sure New Line figured it would be an easier box office sell to have at least one bona fide star in the picture, but as it were, they didn't need him.
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
Wasn't the combined gross of those films not equal to what FOTR took in?
Yes, now what does that have to do with Connery playing Gandalf?
post #28 of 75
"Last year Sir Sean explained his decision to turn down the role: "Yeah, well, I never understood it. I read the book, I read the script, I saw the movie. I still don't understand it. I would be interested in doing something that I don't fully understand, but not for eighteen months."

This is the part that amazes me. Didn't get it? It's not like LOTR is about physics, or is performed in Cantonese. It's pretty amazing that he's done this well during his career, because he must be a borderline idiot.
post #29 of 75
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Originally Posted by Chris Wood
Yes, now what does that have to do with Connery playing Gandalf?
You cited those films as example of him being warm. People did not embrace those films to the level they embraced LOTR. Now, that's not solely a factor of Connery being in the films or not, but it's not like people flocked to his other films where he wasn't the grizzled Scottish he-man. They'd go in expecting The Rock with swords.
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Originally Posted by The Nid Hog
This is the part that amazes me. Didn't get it? It's not like LOTR is about physics, or is performed in Cantonese. It's pretty amazing that he's done this well during his career, because he must be a borderline idiot.
Which would explain why he did do League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. I just wish he'd been able to get his remake of The Ghost and Mrs Muir off the ground.
post #31 of 75
I think the difference between casting Connery or McKellen is movie star vs. actor. Connery is clearly a movie star, and although he may be a good actor, he doesn't exactly disappear into his roles. When you watch a film with Ian McKellan in it, you can forget that it is Ian McKellan. You never forget that you are watching Sean Connery. Whether having a movie star in this role would have detracted from the overall film I think is a legitimate question.


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Which would explain why he did do League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. I just wish he'd been able to get his remake of The Ghost and Mrs Muir off the ground.
That's one of my favorite films. I hadn't heard about a possible remake. Sean Connery would make an excellent Captain Gregg.
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Originally Posted by Boe
That's one of my favorite films. I hadn't heard about a possible remake. Sean Connery would make an excellent Captain Gregg.
He still could, I suppose, but this was about fifteen years ago. Michelle Pfeiffer would have been an ideal Lucy. Can you tell it's one of my favorite films too?
post #33 of 75
It's interesting that he apparently understood Zardoz perfectly.
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It's interesting that he apparently understood Zardoz perfectly.
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post #35 of 75
Well, everybody did a lot of hash back then.
post #36 of 75
Sorry, I can't resist. Just too funny.
post #37 of 75
God I love that movie.
In an almost-serious way too.
post #38 of 75
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Originally Posted by Sean Connery
I would be interested in doing something that I don't fully understand, but not for eighteen months.
Yeah, Zardoz, by that logic, must have been shot in about three or four days.
post #39 of 75
I love the fact that there's an alternate universe somewhere that has a LOTR trilogy starring Sean Connery and Stuart Townsend.

That's kind of awesome (I'm just glad I don't live there).
post #40 of 75
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Originally Posted by Joe LeFors
I love the fact that there's an alternate universe somewhere that has a LOTR trilogy starring Sean Connery and Stuart Townsend.

That's kind of awesome (I'm just glad I don't live there).
Don't forget to throw in Ethan Hawk as Faramir and a big fight between Aragorn and Sauron at the end.
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I am surprised nobody noticed the "tongue-in-cheek" reference I made in the thread's title.
post #42 of 75
Man, to envision Pacino as Elliot Ness screaming at De Niro's Capone. That would've been nice.
post #43 of 75
And also kinda silly, seeing as Pacino would look more like a weaselly immigrant sharpshooter than Andy Garcia did.
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Originally Posted by Ian Challis
And also kinda silly, seeing as Pacino would look more like a weaselly immigrant sharpshooter than Andy Garcia did.

Good point
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I am surprised nobody noticed the "tongue-in-cheek" reference I made in the thread's title.

Oh we noticed...
post #46 of 75
Yew schall nut passh!
post #47 of 75
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Originally Posted by Matt OCallaghan
Didn't Connery turn down the role of Morpheus in The Matrix for the exact same "I didn't get it" reasoning?
Lucky us!
I had heard Connery had the same reasoning for Lord of the Rings, X-Men and The Matrix, turning them all down. Then again, didn't everyone turn down X-Men and The Matrix? I recall he was explaining this in an interview for LXG, stating that he didn't get that either, but he was sick of turning down scripts he just didn't get. Why couldn't someone like David Lynch or Jodo get to him during this phase?
post #48 of 75
Yet he got shit like The Avengers, Entrapment, Dragonheart,The Presido, Just Cause and Rising Sun?

Fuck you, Sir Sean.
post #49 of 75
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Originally Posted by fabfunk
Then again, didn't everyone turn down X-Men and The Matrix? I recall he was explaining this in an interview for LXG, stating that he didn't get that either, but he was sick of turning down scripts he just didn't get. Why couldn't someone like David Lynch or Jodo get to him during this phase?
Yep. Those were his exact words that he didn't get it. Sean has been coasting for a long time. I haven't really dug a Connery performance since Hunt For Red October. Even there he kept the scottish accent and did some of the Connery mannerisms.

16 years later he's only continued to be lazy and foolish. X-Men, The Matrix and the LOTR's trilogy are better for not having him. I always enjoyed his work (mostly his 80's output) but after he sunk Stephen Norrington on League I never thought the same about him.
post #50 of 75
What I really find odd is that, despite all of the valid complaint towards Sean Connery presented in this thread, I still want to punch all of you in the face and cry, "Blasphemy!"
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