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post #1 of 16
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Okay, I'm trying to figure out what sort of timeline Marvel Films has with their coming output. They have 2008 release dates for "Iron Man" and "The Incredible Hulk", as well as screenplays, directors, schematics and with "Iron Man", a crackling cast. 2008 theoretically would also bring us "Ant-Man" from Edgar Wright. Marvel also tabbed an "Avengers" movie for 2009 from the pen of Zak, um, Penn, but they also have slated that year for the release of "Captain America", which David Goyer is scripting.

Penn already acknowledged that the connections between these characters might already be felt in "The Incredible Hulk", but what does that mean for any actor that signs on? Surely they'll need big ticket leading men for the riskier properties, but are these guys going to go from tentpole to tentpole, signing three picture deals to do the movies of other characters?

I'm thinking "Avengers" is pushed to 2010, but even then, how do you keep all these actors signed? You figure the Avengers lineup would include Cap, the Hulk, Ant-Man, Iron Man, and maybe the likes of Scarlet Witch, Vision and a few b-listers- would I be missing anyone? There's a "Nick Fury" film slated for 2008, but like Captain America, there's no one signed to that. And Thor? He's a pivotal member of the Avengers, and while that movie is scheduled for 2009, it's been billed as "Lord Of The Rings- with gods"- how are they going to ramp up two films with Thor within two years?

For some, the possibilities are staggering. Fox and Marvel have soured in their relationship, suggesting Marvel takes the X-Men to another company. Then there's also Fox's "Daredevil" a property they couldn't care less about, and why does Lionsgate need to sit on "The Punisher" if they aren't interested in a sequel?

Anyway, this whole Marvel deal seems pie-in-the-sky to me, particularly considering they're also trying to develop shit like "Cloak And Dagger" and "Hawkeye". Does anyone think these movies will ever come out? And if so, what creative team would have the patience to stay together in order to awaken an entire onscreen Marvel universe?
post #2 of 16
It would be nice to see it all unfold but your logic is sound. I can't see it happening either. They can't even make a decent Avengers cartoon for Chrissakes!
post #3 of 16
I remember hearing at some point that the lead actors from each film were going to be contracted to be in the Avengers film when they signed for their own.
post #4 of 16
I'd rather just see an AVENGERS movie than an individual IRON MAN or CAPTAIN AMERICA movie. I don't think those characters are quite special enough to carry their own movies, and anyway, Cap's appeal comes from the fact that he's the nice-guy leader, and if he were in a solo movie, that would be lost. Likewise, a HAWKEYE movie? Fuck that. Hawkeye is cool because he's the team wisecracker, not because he's an archer. Ant-Man is the comic relief, as is Thor, to an extent, etc. etc. etc...

An AVENGERS movie is also likely to make a lot more money than any solo project. People would walk out of THE AVENGERS going, "Man, that Thor guy was awesome! He talked so funny! I want to see more!" The trick is to leave them wanting the "more", and not go around producing laboured spin-offs and half-baked "trilogies". Nobody will want to see an IRON MAN trilogy, especially if the first one doesn't include him wearing armour and getting drunk.

Then again, I'm not a highfalutin movie producer, so what do I know? By that same token, virtually every movie released by an actual highfalutin movie producer over the past few years has sucked rancid shit from the ass of a dead cat. We all lose.
post #5 of 16
Man, I thought we were going to be talking about The Avengers.

"Thish ish only the beginning!!"

post #6 of 16
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Originally Posted by Paul McCartney
I'd rather just see an AVENGERS movie than an individual IRON MAN or CAPTAIN AMERICA movie. I don't think those characters are quite special enough to carry their own movies, and anyway, Cap's appeal comes from the fact that he's the nice-guy leader, and if he were in a solo movie, that would be lost. Likewise, a HAWKEYE movie? Fuck that. Hawkeye is cool because he's the team wisecracker, not because he's an archer. Ant-Man is the comic relief, as is Thor, to an extent, etc. etc. etc...

An AVENGERS movie is also likely to make a lot more money than any solo project. People would walk out of THE AVENGERS going, "Man, that Thor guy was awesome! He talked so funny! I want to see more!" The trick is to leave them wanting the "more", and not go around producing laboured spin-offs and half-baked "trilogies". Nobody will want to see an IRON MAN trilogy, especially if the first one doesn't include him wearing armour and getting drunk.

Then again, I'm not a highfalutin movie producer, so what do I know? By that same token, virtually every movie released by an actual highfalutin movie producer over the past few years has sucked rancid shit from the ass of a dead cat. We all lose.

Ah, but you do an "Avengers" movie first, an if it flops, the characters are dead to their own respective franchises. If no one sees "The Avengers", then you've killed a "Thor" movie.
post #7 of 16
Thor alone is going to kill a "Thor" movie. Hell, I'm a superhero geek and I think that's a horrible idea.

"Iron Man" and "Captain America" can most assuredly support their own movie. The stellar cast and the direction they seem to be taking for the Favreau film is pretty good evidence of that. Cap needs a steady hand, and must walk a very fine line, but if so, it could make a hell of a movie.

I'm actually agreed though on "Hawkeye". Has he ever really been a standalone character? If they actually do an "Avengers" movie I expect them to conveniently leave out the expensive actors who wouldn;t want to do it anyway. It'll look like the mid 90s Justice League, all B and C list superheroes.
post #8 of 16
Personally Thor belongs in a solo series more than in an Avenger movie due to his complicated backstory, the amazing and complicated universe he resides in (Asgard & the rest of the Norse mythological world), and the fact that he seems so different from the rest of the Avengers' stable of heroes. It would be tough to incorporate him into a team picture like that unless he's already been established.

Personally I think Thor's solo canon is rich and amazing enough that it'd support a series just as well or better than Iron Man or Cap by themselves. He has a huge cast of supporting characters and a whole host of opportunities for enemies, locations, and scenarios due to the fact that the comic drew from Norse, Celtic, and Egyptian mythologies. I'd love to see Weta Workshop tackle the production design and effects for a Thor movie simply due to that fact: it's a big ol' blend of ancient mythology and the imaginations of Jack Kirby & Walt Simonson and I'm sure they'd have a fucking ball with it.

As a standard superhero pic people might be a little confused by a Thor movie, and rightly so. He's not the standard sort of setup people expect from the Batman/Spider-Man mold. Thus the movie shouldn't be marketed as a superhero flick, but as a sci-fi/fantasy film akin to LOTR in a futuristic setting. Make it primarily about the Asgardians and their world instead of Thor in our mundane one and the money should roll in.
post #9 of 16
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Looks like the Sony Luke Cage movie is dead.

If that character is bumped back to Marvel, I wouldn't object to seeing him as an Avenger, even if it contradicts his whole Hero For Hire thing.
post #10 of 16
Yawn....who honestly thinks it will eeevveeer happen?
post #11 of 16
The Problem I have with an Avengers movie is how the hell do you set up so many superheros and explain their origins without losing the audience in a confusing mess of exposition?
You can't use a single origin theory like you could with the X men.Writing this is gonna be a nightmare.
post #12 of 16
If I had to make this project happen, I'd foget about trying to connect it to every existing property and just chuck the set-up and origins out the window. Just drop the audience into a world filled with all kinds superheroes and villains. Who cares how they got their powers? A giant and a flying robot are fighting aliens! If it's convenient, you can allude to a character's origin while he's escaping from the villain's gothic-themed floating nuclear fortress. If not, oh well.

An Avengers movie doesn't need Watchmen's grounded approach to superheroics, or even X-men's. Just make it fun and visually spectacular.
post #13 of 16
Hawkeye is an asshole...though I wouldn't balk at a West Coast Avengers movie.
post #14 of 16
The Incredibles didn't go into the origins of Mr Incredible or Elastigirl. Did that make the movie any less entertaining?

Did anyone even care?
post #15 of 16
I'd only want to see an Avengers movie made knowing it would push WB to fire back with a Justice League movie. Fuck. Routh and Bale leading the League onscreen. My nuts hurt thinking about it.
post #16 of 16
^^^The World's Finest nuts?
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