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Jesus, what a prick.

post #1 of 28
12/20/06 at 8:16pm
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/12/...ran/index.html

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Originally Posted by CNN.com
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A Virginia congressman will not apologize for writing that without immigration reform "there will be many more Muslims elected to office demanding the use of the Quran," his spokesman said.

Republican Rep. Virgil Goode's letter to constituents also warns that without immigration reform "we will have many more Muslims in the United States."

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Goode's office released the letter to CNN Wednesday.

In it, Goode wrote, "When I raise my hand to take the oath on Swearing In Day, I will have the Bible in my other hand. I do not subscribe to using the Quran in any way.

"The Muslim representative from Minnesota was elected by the voters of that district and if American citizens don't wake up and adopt the Virgil Goode position on immigration there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office and demanding the use of the Quran.

"We need to stop illegal immigration totally and reduce legal immigration and end the diversity visas policy pushed hard by President Clinton and allowing many persons from the Middle East to come to this country.

"I fear that in the next century we will have many more Muslims in the United States if we do not adopt the strict immigration policies that I believe are necessary to preserve the values and beliefs traditional to the United States of America and to prevent our resources from being swamped."
No words, really. What a prick.
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post #2 of 28
12/20/06 at 8:26pm
Incredible how Muslim-bashing is widely accepted in North America. If Goode had been talking about Blacks or Jews, he'd currently be out of a job, hiding from angry mobs with torches.
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post #3 of 28
12/20/06 at 8:31pm
In terms of fostering terrorism, I imagine his stance works better than an Al-Qaida training camp.

Fareed Zakaria once mentioned that the reason we haven't seen any attacks by U.S. born Islamic terrorists is largely because the average American Muslim doesn't feel disenfranchised; they have average income, average life expectancy, and they don't typically live in ethnic conclaves. It seems Mr. Goode would like to change that.

This kind proto-fascist propaganda is self fulfilling.
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post #4 of 28
12/20/06 at 8:41pm
Congressmen aren't sworn in on a Bible. They just have to raise their right hands and swear to uphold the Constitution.

You would think that a current Congressman would be aware of this.

By the way, in the Constitution, Article VI, Section 3, it states that:

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The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.
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post #5 of 28
12/20/06 at 8:52pm
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Originally Posted by Slestak
By the way, in the Constitution, Article VI, Section 3, it states that:
That's what "Constitutional referenda" are for. That, and bannin' the gay marriage. Representative government? Philosopher kings? Bah!
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post #6 of 28
12/20/06 at 9:36pm
This leads to a question I've often pondered - if I profess myself as an agnostic but am sworn on the Bible for court, am I under any sort of promise to tell the truth? For all the stock I have in the Bible, you might as well swear me in with Green Eggs and Ham.
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post #7 of 28
12/20/06 at 10:17pm
My shit day just got shittier.
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post #8 of 28
12/21/06 at 12:04am
As far as I'veever seen, you aren't sworn in on a bible any longer.
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post #9 of 28
12/21/06 at 9:48am
You know what's really cool about this story? He was elected by voters! Go USA!
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post #10 of 28
12/21/06 at 3:53pm
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Originally Posted by Chavez
This leads to a question I've often pondered - if I profess myself as an agnostic but am sworn on the Bible for court, am I under any sort of promise to tell the truth? For all the stock I have in the Bible, you might as well swear me in with Green Eggs and Ham.
I suppose if your word means nothing to you than yeah, but I assume the penalty for perjury should also be considered.
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post #11 of 28
12/21/06 at 4:13pm
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Originally Posted by Chavez
This leads to a question I've often pondered - if I profess myself as an agnostic but am sworn on the Bible for court, am I under any sort of promise to tell the truth? For all the stock I have in the Bible, you might as well swear me in with Green Eggs and Ham.
You either can swear or affirm.
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post #12 of 28
12/22/06 at 4:30am
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Originally Posted by Jcassady
You can either swear or affirm.
A dangerously lax policy. If American citizens don't wake up and adopt the Virgil Goode position on immigration there will likely be many more Quakers elected to office and demanding to affirm oaths rather than swear them. How many William Penns can our democracy endure?
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post #13 of 28
12/22/06 at 5:17am
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Originally Posted by The Nid Hog
You know what's really cool about this story? He was elected by voters! Go USA!
Eh, he was elected by Virginians, probably the southern kind.
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post #14 of 28
12/22/06 at 11:36am
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Originally Posted by Jack "Sue" Dnim
I suppose if your word means nothing to you than yeah, but I assume the penalty for perjury should also be considered.
Well, I have a hunch in many cases self-proclaimed "Christians" have no problem lying AFTER swearing on the Bible, so I'm not exactly sweating it. Not to mention I have no desire to commit a crime or defraud anyone, so I won't have that ethical dilemma (to which the correct answer is always "tell the truth" anyway) in front of me.
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post #15 of 28
12/22/06 at 1:44pm
I saw the subject line and thought, "Shouldn't this opinion be in the religion forum?"

5th District? Yeah, sometimes I wish Northern Virginia would just secede from the rest of the state in disgust like West Virginia.
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post #16 of 28
12/23/06 at 2:40am
This guy is an idiot and blatantly disregards basic freedoms.
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post #17 of 28
12/23/06 at 4:59am
Why, these Muslims are almost as bad as those mindless rabble-rousing Catholic hordes pouring off ships like plague-infested vermin! We can't let them participate in our elections, they'll only vote as instructed by their diamond-shoelaced master in Rome! If these Papist hordes are allowed to further invade our nation, why, we'll see the very end of our democracy! Down with Tammany Hall! Up the No-Nothing Party!
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post #18 of 28
12/23/06 at 2:33pm
Thank you very much, Daniel Day-Lewis.
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post #19 of 28
12/23/06 at 4:39pm
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Originally Posted by Chris Wood
Eh, he was elected by Virginians, probably the southern kind.
Yeah, hard for me to not believe this guy isn't just a mouthpiece for the majority of Americans. Yuck.
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post #20 of 28
12/26/06 at 3:52am
I'm hoping that CNN ran that just to show how insane that man is.

...or is it actually ok these days to bash Muslims like that?
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post #21 of 28
1/5/07 at 2:02am
I thought I'd update this thread, if only to recognize that Congressman Ellison is incredibly cool:

http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/blogs/po...critic-on.html

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Muslim congressman seeks out critic on House floor

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- On his first day in Congress, Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minnesota, the first Muslim elected to Congress, finally met the Republican who criticized him for his decision to use the Koran at his ceremonial swearing in.

Ellison asked another Democratic member to introduce him to Rep Virgil Goode, R-Virgina, who spoke out against Ellison in a letter to constituents last month. Ellison told CNN that he approached Goode on the House floor and the brief meeting went well.

"I shook his hand and shook mine. We greeted each other." Ellison asked Goode to grab a cup of coffee with him soon and Goode accepted.

Asked if he was felt singled out as the first Muslim member, Ellison said no and added, "By reaching out to Congressman Goode I'm not trying to be accepted, I'm trying to build bridges. In this world there are too many misunderstandings. I want to put a human face on things."

Ellison was sworn in with other House members on the House floor. Later, at a ceremonial, photo-opportunity swearing in with Speaker Nancy Pelosi, he chose to use a Quran once owned by Thomas Jefferson instead of a Bible.
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post #22 of 28
1/5/07 at 2:46am
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Originally Posted by fabfunk
hard for me to not believe this guy isn't just a mouthpiece for the majority of Americans. .
He sure as fuck doesn't speak for me, nor for my wife.
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post #23 of 28
1/5/07 at 3:02am
The biggest problem with trying to get rid of this kind of intolerance is how fucking comfortable they are with it. Every bit of footage I've seen of that shmuck Goode his whole stance is basically "Yeah I said that. So what?", as if he has no idea how what he's saying is offensive and that everybody in America agrees.
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post #24 of 28
1/5/07 at 2:58pm
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Originally Posted by Smeagol
The biggest problem with trying to get rid of this kind of intolerance is how fucking comfortable they are with it. Every bit of footage I've seen of that shmuck Goode his whole stance is basically "Yeah I said that. So what?", as if he has no idea how what he's saying is offensive and that everybody in America agrees.
The real problem is that a lot of americans agree with him. It's not different than Blacks being called Niggers in the fifties. No one would have batted an eye.
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post #25 of 28
1/5/07 at 4:01pm
Did you hear how this saga finally ended?

The copy of the Koran that was used for the swearing in was loaned by a history professor or something and is said to have been Thomas Jefferson's copy of the Koran.

OH SNAP!
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post #26 of 28
1/5/07 at 5:50pm
Did it have any slave blood on it?
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post #27 of 28
1/6/07 at 4:22am
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Originally Posted by The Alexor
The real problem is that a lot of americans agree with him. It's not different than Blacks being called Niggers in the fifties. No one would have batted an eye.
I was making my point under the assumption we all already knew that. Sorry for not being clear.
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post #28 of 28
2/1/07 at 5:26pm
"I fear that in the next century we will have many more Muslims in the United States if we do not adopt the strict immigration policies that I believe are necessary to preserve the values and beliefs traditional to the United States of America and to prevent our resources from being swamped."

Disgusting trifle of a human being. Sometimes I can articulate my anger into well-phrased prose, other times it comes out like that, hopefully just on message boards.
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