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post #1 of 20
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Coming out of the courthouse today, I walked past a Chinese restaurant, and I got to thinking: we hear a lot about J-horror. But what about Chinese horror? They've got movie studios churning out jet Li flicks and such, so they have the capability to make movies. I wondered what are Chinese horror films like?

THAT got me to thinking about a broader question: what were horror films like in communist countries in general? And what are they like now, in those that were liberated by the fall of the Soviet Union?

Tom Clancy spoke at my college in 1991, and said "Y'know, the Russians are a funny bunch." Having studies their history, I can say that's putting it mildly. Daily life in Communist Russia had its share of horrors: the ever present KGB, and the neighbors that would be delighted to dime somebody in on the thinnest (or even totally false) charges of anti-revolutionary behavior. Widespread famine when they tried to collectivize the farms. The country being ravaged in WWII (contrary to popular belief, the USSR did a majority of the land fighting vs. the Nazis, not us). And of course, the purges. Stalin had people rounded up and shipped off to gulags or tortured and killed because they were Jewish, they dissented from the Party line, they were army officers above the rank of Lieutenant and threatened (he thought) his iron grip on the military. . . he even rounded up doctors, for Christ's sake. Between the war and the purges, it's estimated Russia lost over 20 MILLION people. A nuclear waste stockpile went critical and exploded in the Ural Mountains; we knew about it because radiation levels went up as if a bomb had gone off, and we were operating under a treaty that prohibited above ground testing. We asked the russians "Did you guys. . . .?" They replied: "Nyet, comrade." Then our spy satellites detected the crater and a whole bunch of villages just. . . gone off the map one day. They finally admitted it years later, but the fact that the entire nation could so successfully go into denial says a lot about them as a people.

Now that the Wall's fallen, they're not much better off; rampant unemployment, shortages, poverty, a ruthless and legendarily violent mafia, the suppression of the rebellion in Chechnya (and the Chechnyans' response) are probably almost as bad.

With everyday horrors like this going on in Russia, and to an arguably lesser extent in the rest of the Eastern bloc, you gotta wonder what their horror fiction (assuming the government allowed any to be published/shown) was like. What could scare these people, who stoically endured so much?

We hear a lot about international horror from a handful of countries, notably Japan, Great Britain, and Italy. But does anyone know anything about movies from the Communist or Post Communist eras in the Eastern bloc nations and China? I confess I don't, but now I'm fairly burning w/ curiosity. Can any of this stuff be acquired?
post #2 of 20
I don't think there were a lot of horror movies made before the collapse. To be honest, Viy (Amazon has it) is the only horror film I remember from my childhood and it scared me shitless. And I was not the only one - people were really freaked out by it, because we were not spoiled with all horror movies from Europe and US. I haven't seen that movie for ages, but, most likely, it's not scary at all nowadays.
Also, you should check out Sobachye serdtse (Heart of a Dog), which is based on a story by Mikhail A. Bulgakov. While it's not really a horror movie, the story can be perceived as pretty horrifying (I'm not going to spoil it for you) and it works as a great and very funny satire on communism and Soviet regime. It's great, poignant movie; one of my favorites. I know that a russian dvd exists with english subtitles (I have it).
post #3 of 20
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Sounds like you know whereof you speak from firsthand experience. Where you from, Mr. K., if you don't mind me asking?
post #4 of 20
There's a Heart of a Dog movie? I don't remember it being terribly scary, maybe there was an underlying paranoia. I remember my Russian lit prof saying that the dog was much more offensive and shocking in Russian though. I could totally see that being a great movie though.
post #5 of 20
I'm from Latvia, which was once part of USSR.

By the way, I found "Heart of the Dog" dvd on Amazon as well. They don't sell it directly, but so that you know, that edition comes with english subtitles. But, yes, it's not a horror film, so it doesn't entirely belong in this discussion.

I haven't followed post-Soviet russian cinema that much, but I'm pretty sure horror genre is still being ignored in Russia. Actually, they are remaking Viy and it looked like a bad music video from late 90's. There's an upcoming movie called Dead Daughters, but that's about it (Night Watch isn't really horror, right?).
To tell you the truth, I don't really know why that genre isn't very popular, but I will make sure to ask that question to a few friends I have in Moscow.
post #6 of 20
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Originally Posted by IggytheBorg
With everyday horrors like this going on in Russia, and to an arguably lesser extent in the rest of the Eastern bloc, you gotta wonder what their horror fiction (assuming the government allowed any to be published/shown) was like. What could scare these people, who stoically endured so much?
I think you hit the nail on the head. Who needs horror movies when real life was so fucking scary?
post #7 of 20
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Originally Posted by Robert K.
I'm from Latvia, which was once part of USSR.

To tell you the truth, I don't really know why that genre isn't very popular, but I will make sure to ask that question to a few friends I have in Moscow.
I know where Latvia is. My wife's father's family is from Lithuania, your neighbor to the South. She thinks it's just so cool that they were the 1st Soviet Republic to secede in 1991.

And I would appreciate you inquiring w/ youe Muscovite acquaintances. I really want to know the answers to these questions. And thank you for the info you've already added to the thread.
post #8 of 20
Other than the neat Viy (ranges from funny to creepy to bizarre) and the recent post-USSR Nightwatch, I don't know of any other Russian horror. I've seen plenty Russian myth/faerytale/fantasy, though.

As for Chinese, most of the horror I've seen from there are the Mr. Vampire and Chinese Ghost Story (and arguably Bride with the White Hair) franchises and maybe a few others like Vampire Effect or Spooky Encounters. On that note many of their kung-fu stuff (especially Shaw Bros.) has supernatural elements in it... Nine Demons, Black Magic, the Boxer's Omen.

There's also a dvd series called Eastern Horror that has some pretty bizarre stuff from a mix of Asian countries (Filipino, HK, Indonesian, etc.).

I wish I could shed some light on why there's such a small percentage of horror flicks from these countries as there's plenty of various stuff from Japan and more & more from Korea all the time.

A co-worker of mine (who incidentally turned me onto the Russian cinema I've seen) is an immigrant from Russia. I'll have to ask him as well.
post #9 of 20
Unearthed Films has a Russian horror series being steadily released. The first two releases are movies by Andrey Iskanov. The first, Nails, was pretty damn good... about a man who gets some incredibly intense migraines so frequently that he decides to drive nails into his head in order to relieve them. Fucked up stuff, if a little experimental.

Visions of Suffering is the second, and I haven't had a chance to watch it yet but it does look just as twisted as the first.

But besides those (and of course, they're recent efforts... 2003 and 2006), I can't really name any Russian horror flicks.
post #10 of 20
Ya know, the Chinese stuff I listed (which there's a small amount) probably all came from the autonomous HK (like most Chinese cinema), so they were probably bad examples.
post #11 of 20
Well, from the info I gathered, there are two main reasons Soviet cinema didn't produce a lot of horror films. First of all, it's because of traditions. If we look at russian literature, what you get is dramas (mostly very depressing), folk tales about witches and silly heroes and a few comedies here and there. And russians more often than not stick to their traditions.
Another reason is more obvious one - censorship, at least during Soviet times. I remember that, for the most part, 90% of all the movies we got to see where propoganda war movies and actually very funny comedies. Goverment wanted us to see these patriotic films and we wanted to see comedies. Still, very heavy, depressing dramas were not uncommon, but for some reason, goverment thought it was OK to make them. To stick with traditions, I guess
One guy told me about some underground studio that used to make unofficial horror films about necrophilia and similar themes, but he could not name me any of the titles and what was the name of the studio. He only knew they were made in St.Petersburg. I can't back it up, but I guess you can try your luck and find something about it on google.
post #12 of 20
yes, there's China and then there's Hong Kong, a british colony until about a decade ago.

Hong Kong has produced a fair amount of horror, some of it supernatural (as mentioned). however their real speciality is fabulously mean spirited Cat III exploitation flicks, such as The Untold Story, Run and Kill, Red to Kill, The Intruder, Ebola Syndrome, Dr Lam etcetc.
post #13 of 20
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Originally Posted by Alex Riviello
Unearthed Films has a Russian horror series being steadily released.
Al, where the hell DO you find this stuff? That site looks deliriously good! I think I want to at least see every damn film on it! Pardon me while I wipe the drool off my keyboard.
post #14 of 20
I just find it odd that such an old culture steeped in superstition (like other neighboring Slavic and Eastern European countries) doesn't have even a moderate amount of creepy or supernatural cinema (not even talking about gore or strict horror as we define it). I also find it strange that a genre that is relatively inexpensive to produce isn't more popular.

I asked my buddy as promised. He told me that basically the "corruptive" genre of horror was not cultivated throughout the history of Russian cinema because the oppressive goverment kept tight reins on censorship and import. Extreme violence and disturbing images in film were seen as damaging (not unlike the EC comics of Amer History) and were not allowed. Nowadays, there is not a large audience for the genre because it didn't exist before. He also brought up the modern philosophy of "Why should we make it if it can be done better elsewhere?"...

Cop/mafia genres are all the rage right now in Russia I'm told and most stuff is produced for tv.

Here's an article we dug up for a more thorough/alternate examination. A quick, insightful read:
http://www.kinokultura.com/articles/apr04.html
There is no room for individual selfish fears in Marxist Socialism... being scared is unpatriotic, apparently.

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Originally Posted by Robert K.
Also, you should check out Sobachye serdtse (Heart of a Dog), which is based on a story by Mikhail A. Bulgakov. While it's not really a horror movie, the story can be perceived as pretty horrifying (I'm not going to spoil it for you) and it works as a great and very funny satire on communism and Soviet regime. It's great, poignant movie; one of my favorites. I know that a russian dvd exists with english subtitles (I have it).
My co-worker did talk about this flick and it seems interesting and creepy.

Newer Russian horror:
EDIT: Digging around in google, I found a similar thread where there's a link to a site for a Viy remake (the original Russian story was an inspriration for Bloody Sunday): http://www.viymovie.com/

EDIT2: Dead Daughters

EDIT3: Retusher
post #15 of 20
Sorry for the double-post... my edit time-limit was up... See above post for the rest of my stuff.

Being scared is unpatriotic and there was no such thing as "the unexplainable" (superstitious nonsense) when Marxist Russian Scientists were on the case.

EDIT: Correction to above post. It's Bava's Black Sunday, not Bloody Sunday... my bad.
post #16 of 20
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Darkmite8. . . once again proving that thorough is his middle name. Thanks a lot. My brother just joined Netflix and I went to his place w/ a list of films i've developed an interst in thru this site and added, among many others, "Viy" and "Nails" to his queue. Can't wait to see these.
post #17 of 20
More Russian horror: http://www.24framespersecond.net/
As well as other upcoming foreign horror/thriller (and other genre) stuff.
post #18 of 20
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I just watched Viy last night. I liked it. By today's standards in the West, certainly not terrifying. And the horror effects were kind of hit or miss (flying witch scenes, obvious painted backdrops. Giant demon w/ the eyelid thing, looked like a muppet. But human sized demons coming thru & crawling down the walls in all gray. . . looked pretty good. In large numbers, a little creepy. It also had a charming sense of humor (in the English translation, anyway). The costumes were very convincing, too. There was a lot I didn't get (like why Russian Orthodox seminarians seem to be a half step above wild west outlaws in terms of lawlessness & debauchery), or why he bursts into dance after emerging from the funeral builduing the 2d morning, but I still thought it was a good film, esp. considering the obstacles it undoubtedly had to overcome to get made in the 1st place (there was aa warning on the FBI warning screen that said it can't be sold or rented in any of the former Soviet Republics; what's THAT all about?). Don't think I'd ever buy it, but I'm glad from an historical perspective that I got to see this. Thanks again, Robert K, for recommending it, and all the rest for their seconds.

Nails is next. Probably watch that this afternoon.
post #19 of 20
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Saw "Nails" on Sunday. The best word to describe it: weird. It had kind of an artsy, Euro-film look to it, w/a lot of strange imagery thrown in for seemingly no reason. Very little dialogue. REALLY weird (sometimes to the point of being annoying) music & sound effects. One of my cats curled up on my lap as I started to watch it, and when they got to the 1st nail drivin' scene, the music got so loud & so weird, the cat sat bolt upright, turning its head from one speaker in the surround sound system to the next, before bolting off my lap like I was on fire. Some of it kind of dragged on too long, I thought (like the scene where he's trying to find a can of borscht w/o a funky surprise in it; could that have BEEN any more drawn out?) but the end is very satisfying indeed. Won't spoil it for anyone, but it's pretty much worth the price of admission alone just for that, even if the rest gets kinda hard to endure in spots. Thanks again for the recommendation, Al.
post #20 of 20
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Originally Posted by DARKMITE8 View Post
Newer Russian horror:
EDIT: Digging around in google, I found a similar thread where there's a link to a site for a Viy remake (the original Russian story was an inspriration for Bloody Sunday): http://www.viymovie.com/
There's a trailer on there (can't remember if it was there before), and it looks pretty decent. I thought there was an old CC or CHUD article, but I couldn't locate it.

Alternate version here.

Not released till '09 though.
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