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What Was the Best "What If There Really WERE Superheroes?" Book?

post #1 of 25
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In the "traditional" Marvel, DC and Image universes, superheroes have become an accepted fact of life for the mainstream populace. But a frequent theme that has been tried a lot is to publish a book that takes place outside the "main" universe, and examine what really WOULD happen to society if super powered beings existed.

Examples I can think of off the top of my head are: Marshal Law, Powers, and of course, the Watchmen. One could argue that "Marvels" and "Kingdom Come" sort of deal witht he same theme, even though they're written within the mianstream universes of Marvel and DC, respectively. They generally tend to have a grittier, far less cheerful view of the world w/ superheroes in it than the mainstream books do, with heroes often adapting villain like behaviors. They explore the darker side of power; if you really could tear the door off a bank vault, and tear anyone who tried to stop you apart with your bare hands and fly away before anyone could catch you. . . .who among us wouldn't at least THINK about it? If you could profit off your powers and become a commercial & merchandising success. . .hell, why wouldn't you? And would the populace REALLY accept this new breed of vastly superior beings as their protectors and practically worship them, or would they be afraid to go near them? Hate them? Loathe them?

Much as I like the superhero genre (and when it's done well, I really do like it), for some reason I'm utterly fascinated by the "what if" franchises. I'm a big fan of all the ones I mentioned above, but IMO you gotta give the title of best to The Watchmen. These books are just incredibly well written and dense w/ meaning in almost every panel of artwork. It did nothing short of change the industry, and is a main reason my 36 year old ass is still reading comics (and believe iot or not, it's a main reason many of you younger folks are, too; the coolness you enjoy today may not have come to pass w/o Watchmen).

Does anyone else like this particular style of book, and what's your favorite?
post #2 of 25
I enjoy this genere if we're given a direction we haven't seen before. A great example would be Ex Machina.
post #3 of 25
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I'm not nearly as up on new stuff as I ought to be; I generally read stuff after it's been collected in trades that my pals recommend. I haven't heard them speak of Ex machina, so I assume they're not reading it. Can you give some details as to what's different about it?
post #4 of 25
Well, with Ex Machina you have Post 9/11 NYC and a guy named Mitchell Hundred who happened to get the power of "talking" to machines before it. He becomes a superhero and then later retires to run for mayor. 9/11 occurs and he suits up one last time to try and save some lives. (Read the comic to see what he was able to do) and because of his acts he becomes mayor.

What you have are usually two plotlines going in every arc. A political one ala The West Wing but dealing with local NY Politics and one realting to his powers and how he might have gotten them. The story is also told in flashback with the series being about Hundred's four-year term and what I imagine caused him not to run again.

It's written by Brian K. Vaughn and Tony Harris of Starman.
post #5 of 25
Kurt Busiek's ASTRO CITY is exactly what you are looking for if you haven't found it allready. It's available in several trades, my favorite of which is CONFESSIONS.
post #6 of 25
I can't believe no one's mentioned Rising Stars.
post #7 of 25
The Brat Pack was nasty.

post #8 of 25
I really like Supreme Power/Squadron Supreme.
post #9 of 25
While it's not in the same league as Watchmen, I remember liking the concept behind Strikeforce: Morituri. Aliens invade earth and kick humanity's asses. A scientist comes up with a process which will give the recipient superpowers, but will guarantee that they burn out (fatally, sometimes spectacularly) within 1 year... If they survive the treatment in the first place.
post #10 of 25
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Food for thought. Thanks, guys. Ex machina does sound very interesting. Injecting politics into the mix can be really cool (like Bajour's situation in Star trek: Deep Space 9. It always fascinated me and added to the texture of the series, I thought). I also don't know anyone who's read Astro City, so I didn't know that's what the series was about. And I've never eben heard of Rising Stars or the Brat Pack. This may be some stuff to look for at the NY Comicon next month.
post #11 of 25
I'm going absolutely nuts trying to remember the name of a novel I read about 2 years ago. It's very realistic, set like a cop drama or detective story but concerns police who take down supervillains. Not a comic book like you asked for, but I think it's something you'd like. Now if I could only remember the name of the book or the author...
post #12 of 25
Rising Stars lost me towards the end...I just grew bored...ended with much more of a whimper than a bang

Supreme Power was fantastic...but I HATE Squadron Supreme, that book just stinks on ice.

Watchmen - Classic.

Powers - good stuff

New Universe/newuniversal - The concept was sound, the execution sucked. Now Warren Ellis is taking a shot at it and frankly I'm excited.

The Ultimate Universe - Ultimates and any issue with Nick Fury in Ult. Spidey has been good, especially Clone Saga (yeah go figure)

Ex Machina is a great book too, highly reccommend it.

Also Check out a mini-series called The American Way that came out earlier last year, very cool superhero book set in the 60's.
post #13 of 25
Paul Chadwick's Concrete mini-series Human Dilemma was one of the best things I read last year.

Concrete isn't precisely a superhero, but he's tremendously strong, physically invulnerable, possibly immortal, looks like an eight-foot-tall Bufano sculpture... and lives in the real world. His fifteen minutes of fame are up and he just tries to pay the bills like the rest of us, attempting to use his skills and unique characteristics in ways that can benefit society.
post #14 of 25
I've been meaning to read Concrete forever.

Superman: Secret Identity is another "what if the were superheroes in real life" book that's really good. Not really that dark, but Busiek manages to tell a really nice story about self and how we relate to the people we love. Good, compelling, and touching stuff.
post #15 of 25
I also vote for Superman: Secret Identity and Ex Machina. In fact, if it weren't for Brian K. Vaughan's other big indie title, Y The Last Man, it would probably be the best thing on the stands. (yeah, and Fables too, but it seemed a lot more interesting if I said Vaughan wrote the two best comics around).

Rising Stars is in the genre too, but turns to total crap at the end. A serious disappointment given the very promising beginning.
post #16 of 25
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Originally Posted by Alex Riviello
I'm going absolutely nuts trying to remember the name of a novel I read about 2 years ago. It's very realistic, set like a cop drama or detective story but concerns police who take down supervillains. Not a comic book like you asked for, but I think it's something you'd like. Now if I could only remember the name of the book or the author...

ou're right, I would be interested in that. Please let me know if the name ever comes to you. Thanks.
post #17 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Riviello
I'm going absolutely nuts trying to remember the name of a novel I read about 2 years ago. It's very realistic, set like a cop drama or detective story but concerns police who take down supervillains. Not a comic book like you asked for, but I think it's something you'd like. Now if I could only remember the name of the book or the author...
You might be thinking of George R.R. Martin's Wild Cards series. I know the first couple of books were anthologies, but there were some novels along the way as well, and it's definitely a look a a world where superheroes are an everyday thing.
post #18 of 25
I would almost add the Authority to this list. Early Ellis and especially Millar Authority really drove the "superheroes taking on real world issues" storylines.

JS
post #19 of 25
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No pun intended - I swear to God - but I thought Orson Scott card wrote the "Wild Cards" novels. Or am I thinking of another series?
post #20 of 25
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Originally Posted by FutekiNa, Irate Pirate
I've been meaning to read Concrete forever.
My favorite Concrete story is Fragile Creature, in which he works on a low-budget superhero movie. It's a good introduction to the character. Try to find a color edition: the recent black-and-white reprint loses a lot of impact.
post #21 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Riviello
I'm going absolutely nuts trying to remember the name of a novel I read about 2 years ago. It's very realistic, set like a cop drama or detective story but concerns police who take down supervillains. Not a comic book like you asked for, but I think it's something you'd like. Now if I could only remember the name of the book or the author...
Those Who Walk in Darkness by John Ridley. I just discovered that there's a sequel, What Fire Cannot Burn.
post #22 of 25
I'm going to have to go with 'Gotham Central.' It didn't have the realism of, say, Watchmen or Marvels, but it and 'Ex Machina' are the two series I've read that have gotten closest to what it must emotionally be like to live in a world with superheroes.
post #23 of 25
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Originally Posted by nekkerbee
Those Who Walk in Darkness by John Ridley. I just discovered that there's a sequel, What Fire Cannot Burn.
i've read both but i just could not get into them. i LOVED the concepts and the 'universe', but reading it was a chore.

wild cards, on the other hand, is AWESOME. i've bought and read all books (about 17) except the latest one. its a 'shared universe' by several diffent autors and its edited by george r.r. martin (he writes some of the stories too). all the short stories are interconnected forming an overall tapestry.

the golden age is also one of the best "super heroes in the real world" stories and is one of my favorite comics. its set in the 50's where the JSA faces off against the HUAC. its written by james robinson and art by paul smith.
post #24 of 25
The Golden Age is great. Highly recommend it.

There's also an old Ellis Marvel book, which I cannot recall the name of that I read part a while back...and it was extremly depressing but a realistic take on the Marvel U...anyone know what I'm talking about?
post #25 of 25
Ruins, and it's not realistic at all. It was conceived as a parody to Marvels.
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