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post #1 of 27
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Future of Iraq: The spoils of war
How the West will make a killing on Iraqi oil riches
By Danny Fortson, Andrew Murray-Watson and Tim Webb
Published: 07 January 2007

Iraq's massive oil reserves, the third-largest in the world, are about to be thrown open for large-scale exploitation by Western oil companies under a controversial law which is expected to come before the Iraqi parliament within days.

The US government has been involved in drawing up the law, a draft of which has been seen by The Independent on Sunday. It would give big oil companies such as BP, Shell and Exxon 30-year contracts to extract Iraqi crude and allow the first large-scale operation of foreign oil interests in the country since the industry was nationalised in 1972.

The huge potential prizes for Western firms will give ammunition to critics who say the Iraq war was fought for oil. They point to statements such as one from Vice-President Dick Cheney, who said in 1999, while he was still chief executive of the oil services company Halliburton, that the world would need an additional 50 million barrels of oil a day by 2010. "So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies," he said.

Oil industry executives and analysts say the law, which would permit Western companies to pocket up to three-quarters of profits in the early years, is the only way to get Iraq's oil industry back on its feet after years of sanctions, war and loss of expertise. But it will operate through "production-sharing agreements" (or PSAs) which are highly unusual in the Middle East, where the oil industry in Saudi Arabia and Iran, the world's two largest producers, is state controlled.

Opponents say Iraq, where oil accounts for 95 per cent of the economy, is being forced to surrender an unacceptable degree of sovereignty.

Proposing the parliamentary motion for war in 2003, Tony Blair denied the "false claim" that "we want to seize" Iraq's oil revenues. He said the money should be put into a trust fund, run by the UN, for the Iraqis, but the idea came to nothing. The same year Colin Powell, then Secretary of State, said: "It cost a great deal of money to prosecute this war. But the oil of the Iraqi people belongs to the Iraqi people; it is their wealth, it will be used for their benefit. So we did not do it for oil."

Supporters say the provision allowing oil companies to take up to 75 per cent of the profits will last until they have recouped initial drilling costs. After that, they would collect about 20 per cent of all profits, according to industry sources in Iraq. But that is twice the industry average for such deals.

Greg Muttitt, a researcher for Platform, a human rights and environmental group which monitors the oil industry, said Iraq was being asked to pay an enormous price over the next 30 years for its present instability. "They would lose out massively," he said, "because they don't have the capacity at the moment to strike a good deal."

The rest is here: http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...cle2132569.ece

So, essentially, if anyone is still holding on to the old chestnuts about "weapons of mass destruction" or "spreading democracy," it looks like Cheney and his friends in Big Oil are no longer being coy about the real reason for all this horror, death, and the destruction of America's image in the world.
post #2 of 27
I hope this raises such a stink that it never goes through, or that Cheney and Bush pay harshly for it. Like, get egged literally every time they leave the White House. Do any of you think the Dems will have anything to say about this?
post #3 of 27
Well, this can't surprise anybody, can it? Your kid might say he's going into the kitchen to get a glass of water, but you can't be surprised when you find him shoulder-deep in the cookie jar.

God, I so want these guys to get spanked. Hard. It won't ever happen, but it's my dream.
post #4 of 27
What are you guys gonna do about it?
post #5 of 27
Nm.
post #6 of 27
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Originally Posted by SneakyPete
What are you guys gonna do about it?
This schtick really gets tired after a while, ya know.
post #7 of 27
Only the second time I say it.

My schtick is getting old? So's yours, bitching and whining and doing nothing. That's why those guys are at the top. They're sharks. They think guys like you are amusing.
post #8 of 27
Well, that's more than we think of you.
post #9 of 27
SneakyPete: ardent supporter of bad ethics!

That Stalin sure was a go-getter. Gotta love him too?
post #10 of 27
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SneakyPete
Only the second time I say it.

My schtick is getting old? So's yours, bitching and whining and doing nothing. That's why those guys are at the top. They're sharks. They think guys like you are amusing.
Here's the problem, SneakyPete. We are coming out of an era of a lapdog congress; a cowed, corporate-owned press; an anaesthetized public, and a wantonly lawbreaking, abusive, avaricious, incompetent and cowardly administration.

Awareness alone is a huge deal. Having the truth of the situation penetrate people's consciousness in a meaningful way is, was and continues to be a major step in the right direction. We have gone down the rabbit hole in the most serious sense possible -- most people do not question what they read/see/hear from the mainstream media.
post #11 of 27
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Originally Posted by yt
Here's the problem, SneakyPete. We are coming out of an era of a lapdog congress; a cowed, corporate-owned press; an anaesthetized public, and a wantonly lawbreaking, abusive, avaricious, incompetent and cowardly administration.

Awareness alone is a huge deal. Having the truth of the situation penetrate people's consciousness in a meaningful way is, was and continues to be a major step in the right direction. We have gone down the rabbit hole in the most serious sense possible -- most people do not question what they read/see/hear from the mainstream media.
Nice post, yt. Although I think that people do question the cluelessness of the "beltway insider" press sometimes. They're so sheltered and entrenched in Washington DC and it shows in their broadcasts.
post #12 of 27
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Originally Posted by yt
an anaesthetized public
That's still the big problem here, and what has the guy so pissed off and bitter. What would it take for the American people to take enough action to get Bush and his entire cabinet run out of town on a rail? I don't mean insurrection, I mean to form such a massive front of resistance that the government a fire lit under its ass and was scared enough to purge them as speedily as possible.

The average American does, at this point, know exactly what's going on. We're just too cowed to take serious steps. What we've got right now is the equivalent of complaining about your boss with the other low-level employees in the break room, that same mentality. I am fucking ashamed of myself and every other red-blooded American that Bush and his people is still in office.

And why am I not out front of the White House right now? It sure ain't too cold out. Because I am working on a movie that I need to have edited before January's over? Because my classes start next week? Weak-ass reasons that have little meaning beyond my own life. We all know exactly why Bush should be out, we all want him to be out, and we all know we could get him out. But every time I'm in a public place with the TV on CNN and some story about Bush fucking everything up hits the screens I just watch every face in the room looking straight down listening blankly and I am ashamed of the lot of us.
post #13 of 27
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Originally Posted by yt
Here's the problem, SneakyPete. We are coming out of an era of a lapdog congress; a cowed, corporate-owned press; an anaesthetized public, and a wantonly lawbreaking, abusive, avaricious, incompetent and cowardly administration.

Awareness alone is a huge deal. Having the truth of the situation penetrate people's consciousness in a meaningful way is, was and continues to be a major step in the right direction. We have gone down the rabbit hole in the most serious sense possible -- most people do not question what they read/see/hear from the mainstream media.
Excellent post as always, YT. But you're not seriously trying to reason with the guy, are you? The people who supported this dreadful war, the people who stand behind this administration - a lot of people reading this very post who are embarassed at this stage to articulate their repugnant political beliefs - they simply don't care about this kind of profiteering.

What do you do when you come up against the type of person who is so emotionally illiterate and morally redundant that they actually don't register a reaction to this? Or 600,000 dead? Or no WMD? Or civil war? (That's CIVIL WAR, folks - not "on the verge" thereof) Or the abolishment of Habeus Corpus? Reading your mails? Listening to your phonecalls? There is no reasoning with the kind of witless moron who sits back, watches what is happening to America, and thinks it's all good.
post #14 of 27
I don't see the big problem here. BP, Shell Exxon etc did not fight the war. They didn't order Bush to fight the war.
"Cheney and friends divide up Iraq war spoils" - what do you mean by this ? How will Cheney personally benefit if BP starts drilling for oil in Iraq ?

This should provide more employment opportunities for Iraqies, and if the companies make big profits from this it will allow them to expand in other countries - a GOOD thing.

Remember - Saddam wanted to SELL oil directly to the US. This would have been a lot cheaper and easier than fighting the US. Because of the Sanctions the US didn't do this. France and Russia had no problem.

I'm no fan on Cheny, Rumsfield Bush etc - they are pigheaded, arrogant and incompetent - a lethal combination. But to portray them as sitting around mentallly counting their hordes of cash from the Iraq war is silly.
post #15 of 27
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Originally Posted by DDay
I don't see the big problem here. BP, Shell Exxon etc did not fight the war. They didn't order Bush to fight the war.
"Cheney and friends divide up Iraq war spoils" - what do you mean by this ? How will Cheney personally benefit if BP starts drilling for oil in Iraq ?

This should provide more employment opportunities for Iraqies, and if the companies make big profits from this it will allow them to expand in other countries - a GOOD thing.

Remember - Saddam wanted to SELL oil directly to the US. This would have been a lot cheaper and easier than fighting the US. Because of the Sanctions the US didn't do this. France and Russia had no problem.

I'm no fan on Cheny, Rumsfield Bush etc - they are pigheaded, arrogant and incompetent - a lethal combination. But to portray them as sitting around mentallly counting their hordes of cash from the Iraq war is silly.
Let's say that a new resource was discovered on US soil -- not oil but something totally desirable. Now imagine that China desperately wanted control of that resource because key figures in government had deep ties into the industry that controls it. Let's say China was chomping at the bit to get onto US soil to get at that resource for this very reason. Now, China uses Bush's actions during this period of time (when we're basically partners and debtors to China), backing it up with propaganda, as reason to invade, creates havoc in the US, hundreds of thousands of deaths, destruction of our infrastructure, etc., and then, after three years of hell on earth, sends the companies in that control this resource so they simply take it, making the government fat cats and the CEOs and shareholders all get rich on what essentially belongs to the US.

Would you feel good about it?

The situation we're in is far from simplistic. People need to stop trying to reduce it into easy-to-digest bites. Here's some info about Mr. Cheney that maybe you didn't know:

"Halliburton Oil Co., where Cheney served as chairman and CEO from 1995 until his nomination as a Vice Presidential candidate, has been given control of Iraq's South Oil Co., which is the largest potential oil producer to date in Iraq. Moreover, Cheney, who received $20 million from Halliburton when he became Vice President, knows that he will receive deferred payments of a size to be determined by Halliburton's Board of Directors, based upon how well he performs in office."

Now watch this Frontline to learn a little more about him:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/view/
post #16 of 27
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Originally Posted by DDay
I don't see the big problem here.
Invading countries on false pretenses in order to commandeer their resources is a bad thing.

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This should provide more employment opportunities for Iraqies, and if the companies make big profits from this it will allow them to expand in other countries - a GOOD thing.
Is this supposed to be an excuse? "It's okay to plunder Iraq because it will lead to growth of the company"? What garbage.

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Remember - Saddam wanted to SELL oil directly to the US. This would have been a lot cheaper and easier than fighting the US. Because of the Sanctions the US didn't do this. France and Russia had no problem.
I'm not clear as to how this justifies plundering Iraq.

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I'm no fan on Cheny, Rumsfield Bush etc - they are pigheaded, arrogant and incompetent - a lethal combination. But to portray them as sitting around mentallly counting their hordes of cash from the Iraq war is silly.
No, attempts to justify the U.S.'s plundering of Iraq is silly.
post #17 of 27
Kind of off topic but yt I just wanted to thank you for that link.I always miss Frontline when it's on TV and I didn't even know you could watch it online.Thanks again.
post #18 of 27
the oval office late 2001:

Rumsfeld: "do you think the american people are dumb enough to buy this....."

Cheney: "ehh, (penguin noises) ehh, most of 'em, we're in power, we can do whatever we want...."

Bush: "heh, heh, who wants to make a run to 7-11 for some pretzels, all this bullshittin's makin' me thirsty...."
post #19 of 27
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Rumteldat, you're welcome.
post #20 of 27
yt: itty bitty name, big big awesome.
post #21 of 27
" don't see the big problem here.


Invading countries on false pretenses in order to commandeer their resources is a bad thing.
"

What do you mean by "comandeer their resources" ? The US army isn't stealing the oil.


"This should provide more employment opportunities for Iraqies, and if the companies make big profits from this it will allow them to expand in other countries - a GOOD thing.


Is this supposed to be an excuse? "It's okay to plunder Iraq because it will lead to growth of the company"? What garbage."


Big profits = more opportunities to expand = more employment opportunities for Iraqis and people in other countries where the oil companies expand to.

Using the word "plunder" implies pirates on the high seas, which is ridiculous.

"Remember - Saddam wanted to SELL oil directly to the US. This would have been a lot cheaper and easier than fighting the US. Because of the Sanctions the US didn't do this. France and Russia had no problem.


I'm not clear as to how this justifies plundering Iraq.
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I mean that it would have been a lot cheaper for the US to simply buy the oil directly from Saddam, if oil was the only thing they were after. Buying from Saddam would have ensured a stable, not overly expensive supply of oil.
It annoys me that the whole world thinks that the US is this corrupt. oil guzzeling nation when other countries are far worse and nobody nortices.

"after three years of hell on earth, sends the companies in that control this resource so they simply take it, making the government fat cats and the CEOs and shareholders all get rich on what essentially belongs to the US. "


oil companies don't control this resource - they sell it on the open market. Which Iraq wants to do - because it's basically their only export.
A few share price increases won't make the goverment fat cats. Anyway Cheney and Bush are already multi-millionaires - so why would they go to all this trouble for a few extra dollars ?

"Cheney, who received $20 million from Halliburton when he became Vice President, knows that he will receive deferred payments of a size to be determined by Halliburton's Board of Directors, based upon how well he performs in office."

I'd like to see a source for this. Anyway - In this era it is so easy for stuff like this to get out that i don;t think Cheney would risk it - it's not worth it. Especially considering he is already a multi-millionaire.
post #22 of 27
Hey, you know what would also give employment opportunities to Iraq?

Iraqi oil being exploited by the Iraqis.

And you just don't get the difference between the US state and US companies. The thing isn't that the US will get "cheap" oil because of the war. It's that private corporations will have control of oil production. That's the scandal and that's what we are really discussing.
post #23 of 27
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Originally Posted by DDay
What do you mean by "comandeer their resources" ? The US army isn't stealing the oil.
Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, and Bremer all said that the reconstruction would be paid for with Iraqi oil. American corporations profit from this reconstruction. Therefore, the American government is plundering Iraq for the benefit of American corporations.

I'm sure you'll recall how at the beginning of this illegal invasion and occupation the invading forces ignored schools and hospitals and made a beeline for the Iraqi Oil Ministry building.

Big profits = more opportunities to expand = more employment opportunities for Iraqis and people in other countries where the oil companies expand to.[/Quote]

How kind of the enlightened US, destroying their country just so those you didn't kill or maim have the opportunity to stand in line to work for peanuts.

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Using the word "plunder" implies pirates on the high seas, which is ridiculous.
Whatever.
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I mean that it would have been a lot cheaper for the US to simply buy the oil directly from Saddam, if oil was the only thing they were after. Buying from Saddam would have ensured a stable, not overly expensive supply of oil.
One not under America's control.

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It annoys me that the whole world thinks that the US is this corrupt. oil guzzeling nation when other countries are far worse and nobody nortices.
Poor guy.
post #24 of 27
Thread Starter 
DDay, did you watch the Frontline on Cheney?

I wish your version of the world were true, believe me.
post #25 of 27
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Originally Posted by DDay
It annoys me that the whole world thinks that the US is this corrupt. oil guzzeling nation when other countries are far worse and nobody nortices.
Name one. Then provide some evidence, rather than your opinion.
post #26 of 27
Then explain how those countries' behaviour excuses the U.S.
post #27 of 27
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It annoys me that the whole world thinks that the US is this corrupt. oil guzzeling nation when other countries are far worse and nobody nortices.
Other countries maybe more corrupt, but the US is by far the biggest market for oil.See http://www.globalfirepower.com/list_oil_consum.asp
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