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Barry Bonds May Not Be The Honorable Man We All Thought Him To Be

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http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/..._id=1003531584

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'Daily News': Barry Bonds Failed Drug Test Last Year

Published: January 11, 2007 10:00 AM ET

NEW YORK Barry Bonds failed a test for amphetamines last season and originally blamed it on a teammate, the Daily News reported Thursday.

When first informed of the positive test, Bonds attributed it to a substance he had taken from teammate Mark Sweeney’s locker, the New York City newspaper said.

“I have no comment on that,” Bonds’ agent Jeff Borris told the Daily News on Wednesday night.

“Mark was made aware of the fact that his name had been brought up,” Sweeney’s agent Barry Axelrod told the Daily News. “But he did not give Barry Bonds anything, and there was nothing he could have given Barry Bonds.”

Bonds, who always has maintained he never has tested positive for illegal drug use, already is under investigation for lying about steroid use.

A federal grand jury is investigating whether the 42-year-old Bonds perjured himself when he testified in 2003 in the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative steroid distribution case that he never knowingly used performance-enhancing drugs. The San Francisco Giants slugger told a 2003 federal grand jury that he believed his trainer Greg Anderson had provided him flaxseed oil and arthritic balm, not steroids.

Under baseball’s amphetamines policy, which went into effect last season, players are not publicly identified for a first positive test. A second positive test for amphetamines results in a 25-game suspension. The first failed steroids test costs a player 50 games.

Bonds did not appeal the positive test, according to the Daily News, which made him subject to six drug tests by MLB over the next six months.

“We’re not in a position to confirm or deny, obviously,” MLB spokesman Rich Levin told the Daily News.

According to the newspaper, Sweeney learned of the Bonds’ positive test from Gene Orza, chief operating officer of the Major League Baseball Players Association. Orza told Sweeney, the paper said, that he should remove any troublesome substances from his locker and should not share said substances. Sweeney said there was nothing of concern in his locker, according to the Daily News’ sources.

An AP message for Sweeney was not immediately returned late Wednesday.
The Giants still are working to finalize complicated language in Bonds’ $16 million, one-year contract for next season — a process that has lasted almost a month since he agreed to the deal Dec. 7 on the last day of baseball’s winter meetings.

The language still being negotiated concerns the left fielder’s compliance with team rules, as well as what would happen if he were to be indicted or have other legal troubles.

Borris has declined to comment on the negotiations. He didn’t immediately return a message from the AP on Wednesday night.

Bonds is set to begin his 15th season with the Giants only 22 home runs shy of surpassing Hank Aaron’s career record of 755.

Bonds, considered healthy again following offseason surgery on his troublesome left elbow, has spent 14 of his 21 big league seasons with San Francisco and helped the Giants draw 3 million fans in all seven seasons at their waterfront ballpark.

After missing all but 14 games in 2005 following three operations on his right knee, Bonds batted .270 with 26 homers and 77 RBI in 367 at-bats in 2006. He passed Babe Ruth to move into second place on the career home run list May 28.
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When first informed of the positive test, Bonds attributed it to a substance he had taken from teammate Mark Sweeney’s locker, the New York City newspaper said.
It should be a fun first day for Barry. First the reporters will be all over him. Then Sweeney should be taking a few swings at the rat.
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I've had it with Bonds and his bullshit. There are only so many times that you can "accidentally" test positive for banned substances. The guy has had more than enough chances, and should really be dealt with.

I don't care if he break the HR record or not, if Big Mac isn't getting into the HOF (I really don't care either way, but I'd let him in - Pete Rose too) than Bonds doesn't deserve being in.
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What substance (exactly) did he test positive for?
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Originally Posted by El Thain
What substance (exactly) did he test positive for?
Amphetamines.

Fuck, man. This guy needs to go. And I love how this dude has no sense of moral responsibility. What a despicable prick.
post #6 of 53
I love it when guys test positive, then blame it on their teammates. Poor, innocent Barry, taken in by that conniving asshole, Mark "The shitty Sweeney" Sweeney.
post #7 of 53
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He should have said he got it from Armando Benitez's locker. Wouldn't matter to most baseball fans but Giants fans would be more forgiving.
post #8 of 53
It just doesn't stop with this guy. It's really time for him to hang it up.
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Bonds tested positive for amphetemines, and as a first time offender, received no punishment. The fact that there is even an outcry at all is mind boggling.

Players in the NFL test positive for steroids, get suspended, then get voted to the Pro Bowl. An MLB player tests positive for a substance ballplayers have abused for generations (hell, even Mickey Mantle is known to have abused "greenies") and people are calling for the guy to retire?

Really? Don't you guys ever stop and wonder why you care so much?
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It's not the positive test that paints him in a bad light, that's par for the course. It's the "Let me fuck over my teammate" part of the story that's causing any outcry.
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You think people are calling for his retirement because he's pinning it on Sweeney? That's an odd take.
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Originally Posted by MoNkaholic
You think people are calling for his retirement because he's pinning it on Sweeney? That's an odd take.
People are actually calling for karma to hit him with garbage truck.
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In other late-breaking news, bear shits in the woods. Film at 11.
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Originally Posted by MoNkaholic
Bonds tested positive for amphetemines, and as a first time offender, received no punishment. The fact that there is even an outcry at all is mind boggling.

Players in the NFL test positive for steroids, get suspended, then get voted to the Pro Bowl. An MLB player tests positive for a substance ballplayers have abused for generations (hell, even Mickey Mantle is known to have abused "greenies") and people are calling for the guy to retire?

Really? Don't you guys ever stop and wonder why you care so much?

It's because he is Bonds and they hate him.

I admit pinning it on a teammate is a scumbag thing to do but that is par for the course with Bonds he is a dickhead. However alot of dickheads are in the Hall and he was easily a HOF player before he took any type of drugs.

You are also right about the double standard when it comes to the NFL. That league has as many or more drug users and they get a free pass.
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Originally Posted by tcjsavannah
In other late-breaking news, bear shits in the woods. Film at 11.
Honestly, I'd be more surprised to hear about a player whose never taken amphetamines.
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Well regardless Bonds will never see the Hall. The only reason Big Mac was kept out is so that when they keep Bonds out sportswriters won't have to answer racism charges.
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One of the reasons, anyhow.

Pretty clear Bonds never had Viggo as a coach.
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Originally Posted by MoNkaholic
Honestly, I'd be more surprised to hear about a player whose never taken amphetamines.
If "Joe Player" gets busted, no one would really care. There have been several players busted for steroids in baseball over the last few years, and all of them are a one day story. With Bonds, he is bigger for a couple of reasons.

First, he always, always, points the blame somewhere else. How many times does Bond have to test positive, then say it was an accident, or it was somebody else's, etc? Also, he is on the verge of breaking one the most beloved record of all time - it makes him a little more on the radar than Joe Player.

The main reason Big Mac didn't get voted in, is because he is still hiding and not talking. Look at Giambi (sp?). He admitted it, now he's moved on. Compare that to Palmero (sp?) who waved his finger at congress, stating he never took anything and got then he got busted - and flamed for it. If Bonds would have stepped up, told people he took steroids but that they weren't being tested for, then apologized, this shit would be over. His refusal to accept any blame makes him an even bigger target. I feel no sympathy.

As far as past players in the HOF (like Mantle) it's a different time, so stop comparing. Ty Cobb was a Klan member, God knows what drugs Babe Ruth was doing - but it didn't matter - nobody tested and the media/world was VERY different.

When it comes to the NFL, well you are right, there is a double standard. But the NFL is on top of the food chain, so it's tough to take them down. Plus, the NFL has been testing for steroids forever, while baseball ran away from the issue until they were forced by congress. I repeat, they only tested because the pressure was too much.

Hell, if you wanna talk about some BS, the NBA still doesn't test for pot.
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Pot isn't a performance enhancer, why should they test?
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Shit, I can't make free throws without it.
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Latest update on espn about Bonds he publicly says Sweeney had no involvement at all.


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2728327


So who knows maybe the initial report could have been bogus about him ratting out Sweeney anyways.
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The problem with the apology is that he claims he didn't get anything from Sweeney, but he doesn't deny throwing Sweeney's name around when he first learned of the positive result.

At least he has apologized for something. That's almost unheard of when it comes to Bonds.
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Bonds testing postivie for amphetamines is the biggest non-story this bullshit media circus has produced yet. It's not time to string Bonds up yet.

And while somewhat unrelated, I notice people question Bonds' odd size- what about the freakish Jim Thome? I'm not saying that guy's on steroids, but I've never seen a lumberjack quite like him.
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this story is going to get blown up even more in couple weeks
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Originally Posted by soldierz_1
this story is going to get blown up even more in couple weeks
It should, I find it hard to believe that Barry Bonds is the only high profile player to get caught using amphetamines.
post #26 of 53
Bonds: McGwire, Rose belong in Hall of Fame

There's a ringing endorsement.
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Honestly, all people that lump Pete Rose into this group accomplish is displaying to all their fervent desire to get Rose into the Hall.

Pete Rose is banned from Baseball.

The reason Rose isn't in the Hall is because the sport no longer recognizes him. Bonds' chances to get into the Hall is, and forever will be, infinitely higher than Rose's.
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Except that Major League Baseball isn't affiliated with the Hall of Fame, and it's the Hall's seperate decision to keep Rose away. If I'm inaccurate about this, someone correct me, because I was under the impression this was always the case.
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The Hall of Fame has long since held a ban on any player MLB has placed on the "permanently ineligible" list, so while they're a separate institution, unless MLB removes the ban on Rose, he'll never get in.

Pete Rose wishes he had Barry Bonds' issues, the two are hardly comparable.
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Yeah you're right. No one ever accused Pete of cheating to become the all time hit leader. Pete Rose may not be a poster-child for good behavior but he's not hardly half the asshole that Bonds is and he played the game with a hustle that Bonds has never shown, pre or post steroidal bloat.

Here's a link for any who might be interested to read the actual agreement made between Rose and Giamatti. It's an interesting read.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/p_rosea.shtml
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Originally Posted by B_MetalSucks
he's not hardly half the asshole that Bonds is and he played the game with a hustle that Bonds has never shown, pre or post steroidal bloat.
He's also not hardly half the player that Bonds is, pre or post steroidal bloat.
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Originally Posted by MoNkaholic
He's also not hardly half the player that Bonds is, pre or post steroidal bloat.

Bonds 2841hits over 21 seasons.
Rose 4256hits over 24 seasons.

Bonds 0 Rings
Rose 3 Rings & 1 World Series MVP

I'm thinking that your summation is debatable.
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Originally Posted by MoNkaholic
He's also not hardly half the player that Bonds is, pre or post steroidal bloat.

I'm assuming you did not see Rose play. If you did your statement would read something like "he's twice the player the Bonds is, pre or post steroidal bloat"
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Originally Posted by B_MetalSucks
Bonds 2841hits over 21 seasons.
Rose 4256hits over 24 seasons.

Bonds 0 Rings
Rose 3 Rings & 1 World Series MVP

I'm thinking that your summation is debatable.
Bonds would have well over 3000 hits if he wasnt walked 150 times a season.

Bonds has more MVP's even before steroids he has 2 and got screwed out of 1. Bonds has many more gold gloves not to mention huge homers and steal advantages even before steroids. That being said they both should make it in the HOF should be what happnes on the field and not if you are a great guy in life. There are many idiots in the HOF.
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Originally Posted by Wease
Bonds would have well over 3000 hits if he wasnt walked 150 times a season.
Bonds would have been out of baseball years ago w/out the hgh. He was hall worthy but he tarnished his image.
post #36 of 53
You are right he possibly could have been out of baseball 3 or 4 years ago. Lets say he can play until he was 40 though which is reasonable he never really had major injuries he could have gotten more hits without all the walks. So I still think that would have gotten him to 3000. Seeing he would have hung on as long as possible to do it the way he seems to be going after the homer run record.

Edit...Actually going back and looking at his stats maybe not. He always walked alot even before steroids and his season high was 181 hits. So ya 3000 would have been a major stretch if he gave it up at 40 or 41.

Still a better player than Rose though. Pete Rose was a singles hitter with not a hell of alot of speed. He career average was only .303. You would think the alltime hits leader would atleast hit 320 a year. More often than not he wasnt even the best player on his own team.
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Originally Posted by Wease
Still a better player than Rose though. Pete Rose was a singles hitter with not a hell of alot of speed. He career average was only .303. You would think the alltime hits leader would atleast hit 320 a year. More often than not he wasnt even the best player on his own team.
Mickey Mantle was a lifetime .298. Is he any less of a great because of that? I'm just asking.
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Originally Posted by B_MetalSucks
Mickey Mantle was a lifetime .298. Is he any less of a great because of that? I'm just asking.

Well no but his 500 and some odd homers is what makes his .298 impressive now if he only had in the mid 100's like Rose well no I wouldnt be that impressed with .298.

Hey dont get me wrong Pete Rose was a great player and HOF worthy but when you talk about guys like Bonds and Mantle you are talking about the best of the best of the HOF. Although a great singles hitter thats all Pete Rose was, a singles hitter.
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Are people really comparing Pete Rose to Barry Bonds?

One is the best player of his generation, and is easily one of the top five Left Fielders to ever play the game.

The other wasn't even the best player on his team.

I know people hate the guy, but this whole tangent is a fucking joke.
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Originally Posted by MoNkaholic
Are people really comparing Pete Rose to Barry Bonds?

One is the best player of his generation, and is easily one of the top five Left Fielders to ever play the game.

The other wasn't even the best player on his team.

I know people hate the guy, but this whole tangent is a fucking joke.

Pete Rose scored more runs, had more hits, doubles, triples, struck out less, and had a higher batting avg. than Bonds. Rose was a two time gold glove (in the outfield of all places), a league MVP, a world series MVP, and his teammates actually liked him. If Rose wasn't one of the best players ever than I'm confused on what the definition of a player is. Maybe I'm just getting old.
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Originally Posted by namor
Pete Rose scored more runs, had more hits, doubles, triples, struck out less, and had a higher batting avg. than Bonds. Rose was a two time gold glove (in the outfield of all places), a league MVP, a world series MVP, and his teammates actually liked him. If Rose wasn't one of the best players ever than I'm confused on what the definition of a player is. Maybe I'm just getting old.

Bonds has hit about 560 more homers even if he didnt use roids it would be about 400. His batting average is about 5 career points lower. Has won 7 or 8 gold gloves more. As of 1993 when everyone pretty much agree Bonds was still taking steroids he won 3 MVP's (I am pretty sure thats the most ever by the way) and was screwed out of one.

As far as his teammates likely him I have never heard that infact I have read he was an asshole. Maybe not on Bond's level but he wasnt exactly mister nice guy. As far as striking out less of course he did slap hitters dont strike out a hell of alot. Monk is right its a joke Rose is getting compared to Bonds. Even before Bonds started to use he would have had to be considered atleast in the top 15 or 20 players of alltime. Peoples pure hatred for the man just wont allow anyone to give the man his due about how good he was even without steroids. Noone is even really disputing that Rose was a great player it's just Bonds has to be compared to alltime greats like Mays, Williams, Hank and Mantle because that was the type of career he was having even before he started on the roids in about 1998 at that time he allready had over 400 homers and 400 steals with atleast 2 or 3 top flight years left in him.
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They are being compared mostly because neither of them will ever see the HoF. The point was that despite their overwhelming numbers neither one of them will make it because of some pencil pushers decision making. It wasn't until somebody said Rose wasn't half the player Bonds is that I took exception. I mean he may not have been as good a fielder but his stats put him a lot closer than "not half the player Bonds is."
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Hummph!!

What a bunch of holier THAN,self-righteous,high and mighty whiny ASS little hypocrites!! To hear you fake snotty,pious bitches tell it you would think Mr. Bonds ran over a pregnant woman AND her 4 year-old daughter,saw what he did then just kept going. YOU assholes need to get a FUCKING LIFE!!! AND get real!! How many athletes or sports icons do YOU little shits glorify who are not only crackheads but commit behavior that leaves a LOT to be desired that goes TRIPLE for past players who since you asked are STILL getting worshipped in this country like mini-gods. How nice we have some semi-Jesuses on this board to preach the gospel according to saint bullshit the hypocrite yeah RIGHT it's because he tried to 'pin' the blame on Mcsweeney my ass!! This is ALL about the fact that racist,phony dipshits like YOU ALL can't stand somebody and use any puritan crap-laden excuse rather than just come out with it well come off it and get OFF the high horse BEFORE you get hit by a plane!! That also goes for the whiniers regarding Janet Jackson well close the schools and SAVE the children!! This coming from the very SAME jizzholes who GLORIFY Playboy and Madonna and Stuff magazine AND all kinds of assorted nudity and perversion NOW want to play who can be the most righteous but SHOULD be who can the most full of SHIT god FORBID a naked tit is scene on tv for all of 10 seconds but you all can tolerate 10 YEARS of Dennis Franz's flabby,pasty,nasty ass on "NYPD Blue" I'd rather see 10 THOUSAND naked women's breasts than EVER see that again and I'm a female!! Looks like you don't want to 'come out' and admit the 'real' reason for THAT either same goes for the CUNTBAG who made that crack about her brother why don't you tell that to the Catholic church shitheel oh I guess I'm not allowed to criticize them as well right?!!
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And another thing

'Honorable' HELL there is NOTHING honorable about ANY of you!!
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Originally Posted by cuckoo for coco
What a bunch of holier THAN,self-righteous,high and mighty whiny ASS little hypocrites!! To hear you fake snotty,pious bitches tell it you would think Mr. Bonds ran over a pregnant woman AND her 4 year-old daughter,saw what he did then just kept going. YOU assholes need to get a FUCKING LIFE!!! AND get real!! How many athletes or sports icons do YOU little shits glorify who are not only crackheads but commit behavior that leaves a LOT to be desired that goes TRIPLE for past players who since you asked are STILL getting worshipped in this country like mini-gods. How nice we have some semi-Jesuses on this board to preach the gospel according to saint bullshit the hypocrite yeah RIGHT it's because he tried to 'pin' the blame on Mcsweeney my ass!! This is ALL about the fact that racist,phony dipshits like YOU ALL can't stand somebody and use any puritan crap-laden excuse rather than just come out with it well come off it and get OFF the high horse BEFORE you get hit by a plane!! That also goes for the whiniers regarding Janet Jackson well close the schools and SAVE the children!! This coming from the very SAME jizzholes who GLORIFY Playboy and Madonna and Stuff magazine AND all kinds of assorted nudity and perversion NOW want to play who can be the most righteous but SHOULD be who can the most full of SHIT god FORBID a naked tit is scene on tv for all of 10 seconds but you all can tolerate 10 YEARS of Dennis Franz's flabby,pasty,nasty ass on "NYPD Blue" I'd rather see 10 THOUSAND naked women's breasts than EVER see that again and I'm a female!! Looks like you don't want to 'come out' and admit the 'real' reason for THAT either same goes for the CUNTBAG who made that crack about her brother why don't you tell that to the Catholic church shitheel oh I guess I'm not allowed to criticize them as well right?!!

And WHO are YOU?
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post #47 of 53
I didn't realize that me having a problem with people who are assholes makes me a racist. And how did religion get brought into the equation? I thought we were just debating baseball, and doing so in a pretty civil manner where message boards are concerned.

I'll say this, at least the rest of you who support Bonds can make coherent arguments and have a general understanding of the English language, hell some of you even made some good points, I may not agree with them but they were good points. Then out of nowhere ANGER-MAN shows up and all-caps us to death. Hilarious. Nice find on the penny arcade Monk
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Assholes

You can dislike 'assholes' all you want I'm just wondering why when the discussion is about someone black they are ALWAYS an 'asshole' especially from people like you who don't even know them and how is THAT 'civil'. There was a LOT of negative hostility towards Bonds before I even got here that had NOTHING to do with baseball just another bash the supposedly 'arrogant' black male athlete tripe I usually find on boards like this. And how exactly did religion get involved?!! What I meant was you apparently think you are on Jesus's level when it comes to judging people and I beg to differ.
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Originally Posted by cuckoo for coco
You can dislike 'assholes' all you want I'm just wondering why when the discussion is about someone black they are ALWAYS an 'asshole' especially from people like you who don't even know them and how is THAT 'civil'. There was a LOT of negative hostility towards Bonds before I even got here that had NOTHING to do with baseball just another bash the supposedly 'arrogant' black male athlete tripe I usually find on boards like this. And how exactly did religion get involved?!! What I meant was you apparently think you are on Jesus's level when it comes to judging people and I beg to differ.
You do realize this man you are defending had his own big screen t.v. and recliner in the dressing room at one point that nobody was allowed to use but himself? You do realize this isn't anything to do with color, it's an attitude that's being talked about. If you can honestly say Bonds isn't the slightest bit arrogant then obviously your thoughts aren't grounded in reality, thus making it easy to not take you serious.

As to Jesus, well he doesn't judge. His dad does, just so you know.
post #50 of 53
Well you're not in the same league as his dad either. And maybe Bonds is no 'angel' but this acting like he's the equivalent of a serial killer is not only petty but hateful HELL as someone else pointed out Ty Cobb was in the Klan. Maybe it's me but arrogance and steroids PALE in comparison to that.
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