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Bill O'Reilly scummier than previously imagined

post #1 of 75
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http://truecrimeblog.blogspot.com/20...-hornbeck.html

www.crooksandliars.com has the video. If it were anyone else, they'd get fired for it, so I hope this story gets some traction. This is not a partisan issue, this is an offensive and stupid issue.
post #2 of 75
I haven't been following this case, but:

Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow.
post #3 of 75
Those piercings are pretty damning, though.
post #4 of 75
I know when I see an eyebrow ring, I think "That kid likes taking poundings from pedphile kidnappers."
Andre, when I read your thread title, I was astonished, I didn't think this moron could do anything new to make him less redeemable as a human being. This article has proved me wrong, what a rotten pile of shit O'Reilly is.
post #5 of 75
This could make his Colbert appearance tomorrow night even more fun.
post #6 of 75
Awesome! O'Rielly rocks. There's nothing he can say or do that will piss off the right people to get him shit canned. His fan base thinks whatever he says is amazing and is the truth. That almost reminded me of a Colbert Report segment.

EDIT: Matt M says he's on Colbert tomorrow... wicked!
post #7 of 75
Pretty low.

Somewhat off-topic, if there is a biopic made about O'Reilly will everyone be as mad as me if he is not played by Major Rawls from "The Wire?"
post #8 of 75
Yes, Molt. Very yes.
post #9 of 75
A little off-topic, but I love how the guy in the True Crime blog says, "Don't give in to this! Don't make Rush Limbaugh a liar!!!"

It may be just a *tad* too late for that.
post #10 of 75
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Originally Posted by Brendan
EDIT: Matt M says he's on Colbert tomorrow... wicked!
And, if you can stomach it, Colbert's going to be on The Factor. Not sure if he's going to be in character or not.
post #11 of 75
Lawsuits and professional courtesy can go to hell. As soon as O'Reilly walks onto that stage they should slime the bastard with hundreds of gallons of green gak from Double Dare.
post #12 of 75
I would like to say i'm shocked.......But it's typical Bill O.......so i'm not.
post #13 of 75
I don't agree with him here, and I like Oreilly, but come on!

"He's a crook! He's a liar! He's a lunatic!" For what? Cause he had a this opinion, that may be odd, may be true, on this kidnapping case?

If this is honestly what you use to discredit O'Reilly, please, you can find something better than this.

Atleast he says she could be wrong.
post #14 of 75
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The idea of someone being on national television blaming the victim of a four year ordeal is horrific, especially without having all of the facts. This isn't even some girl who claimed Kobe Bryant raped her, this is a young boy, who, what, got into it? Is that the thinking on this? That somehow he enjoyed being raped and kidnapped? You've got to be fucking kidding me. Eleven year olds, most are pretty much pre-sexual beings. For O'Reilly to have a glimmer of self respect about this he'd need some facts, facts that aren't out there, and this situation needs to be, at the very least, treated with more kid gloves. Someone in Bill O'Reilly's position should know that, and if he was saying it to court controversy, he's just simply evil. If it's because he believes it, then it belies some psychological issues that should be addressed. But someone who feels that way should not have a voice in the mainstream media. Any sort of analagous behavior would be ground for a public speaker to be let go, and some have been for less.

To O'Reilly, and to you, for defending him, have you no sense of decency?
post #15 of 75
Here's a list of his talking points about how all American children must be taught survival skills to prepare for stuff like this.
post #16 of 75
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Originally Posted by Andre Dellamorte
The idea of someone being on national television blaming the victim of a four year ordeal is horrific, especially without having all of the facts. This isn't even some girl who claimed Kobe Bryant raped her, this is a young boy, who, what, got into it? Is that the thinking on this? That somehow he enjoyed being raped and kidnapped? You've got to be fucking kidding me. Eleven year olds, most are pretty much pre-sexual beings. For O'Reilly to have a glimmer of self respect about this he'd need some facts, facts that aren't out there, and this situation needs to be, at the very least, treated with more kid gloves. Someone in Bill O'Reilly's position should know that, and if he was saying it to court controversy, he's just simply evil. If it's because he believes it, then it belies some psychological issues that should be addressed. But someone who feels that way should not have a voice in the mainstream media. Any sort of analagous behavior would be ground for a public speaker to be let go, and some have been for less.

To O'Reilly, and to you, for defending him, have you no sense of decency?
I didn't agree with him. In fact I really disagree with him on the matter. I just think you're overblowing his comments.
post #17 of 75
Greta's POV would score a lot more points with me if she'd just start talking with her entire mouth; that whole "mumble out of the corner of my mouth like Joey Buttafuoco's wife" thing drives me nuts.
post #18 of 75
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Originally Posted by Jesse The Mind
Greta's POV would score a lot more points with me if she'd just start talking with her entire mouth; that whole "mumble out of the corner of my mouth like Joey Buttafuoco's wife" thing drives me nuts.
LOL, I can't stand it either.
post #19 of 75
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Originally Posted by Carnotaur3
I didn't agree with him. In fact I really disagree with him on the matter. I just think you're overblowing his comments.
He's blaming the victim, wondering why he didn't escape, and says he doesn't believe in Stockholm. He's saying someone who was kidnapped and raped chose the man who predated him. That he liked it. An eleven year old boy. I'd put this in the ball park of someone saying something pro-nazi or something exceptionally racist. It is ignorant. It is wholy inappropriate. It is, point of fact, inexcusable. And it's wrong. If he isn't fired for it, he should apologize profusely. What he's saying is slanderous, and again, blaming the victim, it's pretty cut and dried wrong.
post #20 of 75
Bill O'Reilly's a blowhard, and a moron to boot. I'm still amazed he's got this national podium from which he can spread his bullshit. The guy's got no medical qualifications, and yet he says shit like "I don't believe in this whole Stockholm Syndrom thing"... Really? And if you didn't believe in gravity, would that suddenly stop existing too?

Most disconcerting is that there are idiots out there who actually believe the stuff he says, and that a comment like that could cause a lot of trouble for the poor kid, as if he hasn't had enough of that already.
post #21 of 75
Billy's dismissivness towards soild facts would be funny if it weren't coming from an unmitigated douchebag. And those shit-for-brains that hang on his every word need to be shot in the face. Whether it's something he really does believe or a pathetic attempt to grab ratings, it's reprehensible and FOX news should fire the fuckhole on the spot. As many lies as Limbaugh tells everyday, he can at least fake it for the most part and fool, the really dumb people anyway, that he might know his shit. Sometimes, anyway.

O'Reilly can't boast that. He's a dumb motherfucker with a big mouth, lots of money and too many viewers that think like him. He's dangerous.

Since when do Conservatives question the victims?

Ya know it doesn't take much to control kids at that age. I'm guessing the scum kidnapper told the boy he was going to kill him and his parents if he tried to run for help. Add that with some daily beatings, more mind fucking and probably some sexual abuse and you have a worn down defeated kid. The old creep throws in some bribery with video games, computers, no school, maybe money and all the freedom he can stand. A strange bond is formed and bingo- perv has a kid.

The parents of the this kid need to hire a crooked lawyer and sue this twat into oblivion. I hope Billy boy makes another Letterman appearance sometime soon so Dave can slap his dumb ass down-again.


If there is anyone reading this who agrees with O'Reilly, show yourself, so the chud boards can arrange to have you put to sleep.
post #22 of 75
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Originally Posted by Andre Dellamorte
He's blaming the victim, wondering why he didn't escape, and says he doesn't believe in Stockholm. He's saying someone who was kidnapped and raped chose the man who predated him. That he liked it. An eleven year old boy. I'd put this in the ball park of someone saying something pro-nazi or something exceptionally racist. It is ignorant. It is wholy inappropriate. It is, point of fact, inexcusable. And it's wrong. If he isn't fired for it, he should apologize profusely. What he's saying is slanderous, and again, blaming the victim, it's pretty cut and dried wrong.
Well, I'm not sure he's specifically blaming the victim. I think he's just bewildered of the thought process of the child. "Why didn't he run away? Yadda yadda yadda."
And then he said some things about possible reasons. I mean, I see what he's saying, but I don't agree with his opinion. I think at 11 years old, brainwashing someone that young is not hard to do. So I'm completely against what O'Reilly is saying. I don't think his intention is blaming the victim. I think it just came off that way, either because he focused on the subject too long, or his reasonings were a bit faulty. Probably both.

He may be cut and dried wrong but making his debate into something as high as "pro-nazi" is extreme.
post #23 of 75
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Originally Posted by Carnotaur3
I just think you're overblowing his comments.
How can you 'overblow' the suggestion that an 11 year-old boy wasn't all that bothered about being raped and kidnapped for 4 years? Are you fucking serious? Take a step back, chief.

You like O'Reilly? On what basis?
post #24 of 75
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Originally Posted by wadew1
Those piercings are pretty damning, though.

When I see a kid with lip rings I automatically think he should be held hostage for four years, raped on a daily basis and given a total and complete mind fuck.

Why? Because of those damn lip rings.
post #25 of 75
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BOR: Let me answer your question. This is what I believe in the Hearst case and in this case. The situation that Hearst found herself in was exciting. She had a boring life, child of privilege. All of a sudden she's in with a bunch of charismatic thugs and she enjoyed it. The situation here with this kid is looks to me to be a lot more fun then when he had under his own parents. He didn't have to go to school, He could run around and do what he wanted.

GVS: Some kids like school --

BOR: Well I don't believe this kid did. And I think when it all comes down what's going to happen is there was an element here that this kid liked about his circumstances...
Not specifically blaming the victim? He's saying "part of him liked it." Few issues in life are black and white. This, quite simply, is one of them. If a woman walks down a dark alley and gets raped, the tragedy is that perhaps if the street were well lit it wouldn't have happened. Perhaps it could have been avoided, but that doesn't make it the victim's fault, it in no way takes any of the blame away from the person doing the assaulting. Any number of fill in the blanks ("she wasn't wearing underwear" "drunk at a party") come to the exact same tally. Being victimized is bad enough. In any situation like this the person taking advantage is to blame 100%. Is it possible that this young boy found a way to survive his imprisonment? To accept the rewards of his kidnapper in an effort to eke out some pleasure, perhaps even knowing that this man (evidence is suggesting) killed a kid a before him. That's not liking the circumstances, that's making you life palatable in a bad situation.

I don't like saying this, but Bill has been charged with sexual harassment (remember the loofa). And the transcriptions of his phone calls suggests that O'Reilly also has some predatory sexual habits. So how about this, I won't say that Bill O'Reilly relates to the predator because he himself is one, but I'll suggest that maybe he feels that if you don't say flat out no (without realizing the party feels intimidated and feels under personal or professional threat), then you're encouraging said behavior, which makes it somehow okay.
post #26 of 75
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Originally Posted by Carnotaur3
If this is honestly what you use to discredit O'Reilly, please, you can find something better than this.
Yes, he demonstrates his complete ignorance and lack of manners on a regular basis. This is just the most recent example.
post #27 of 75
Jesus Christ. Kramer can't say "The N Word" but this piece of human garbage can insinuate a child enjoyed being kidnapped and molested.

Seriously, how is he still alive?
post #28 of 75
Talk about a new low.

For once in my life Im speechless,

and carnotaur3, your a _______________. (mad libs style. everyone, feel free to fill it in yourselves.)
post #29 of 75
What's the difference between being tactless and being borderline retarded? This I can't figure.
post #30 of 75
He is loathsome, to be sure. Those statements are despicable and and from what I saw last night he's already backpeddling. He qualified his words as mere conjecture and speculation.
I don't think he should be fired. I'm generally against penalizing anyone for speaking their mind, no matter how much I disagree with them. Especially since Fox pays him to host an outrageous show to begin with.
post #31 of 75
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Originally Posted by BobClark
I'm generally against penalizing anyone for speaking their mind, no matter how much I disagree with them. Especially since Fox pays him to host an outrageous show to begin with.
Also, people like O'Reilly, Coulter, Limbaugh etc need to be allowed continue to broadcast - after all, they incessantly and consistently make the left look brighter, more empathetic, more intelligent, and more morally developed than the fucking troglodytes who actually listen to these shows and buy into their bile. How any individual with even a basic handle on humanity and what it means can say they 'like' O'Reilly and his ilk is actually beyond my ability to comprehend.
post #32 of 75
Evidently he's never seen "I Know My First Name Is Steven".
post #33 of 75
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Originally Posted by BobClark
I'm generally against penalizing anyone for speaking their mind, no matter how much I disagree with them.
You're against penalizing people for committing slander? Also, this isn't a free speech issue.
post #34 of 75
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Originally Posted by Phil Connors
How can you 'overblow' the suggestion that an 11 year-old boy wasn't all that bothered about being raped and kidnapped for 4 years? Are you fucking serious? Take a step back, chief.

You like O'Reilly? On what basis?

Well, I generally agree with him, even though I don't on the matter.

In anycase, he's wrong. I've told you that before. I just don't think his intentions were for it to have been about him blaming the kid, but it comes off that way, and it is his fault that it does. My commpent about the overblow was unneccessary.

Yeah, what Bill said was wrong, you're right.
post #35 of 75
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Originally Posted by hostiledm
Talk about a new low.

For once in my life Im speechless,

and carnotaur3, your a _______________. (mad libs style. everyone, feel free to fill it in yourselves.)
Don't insult me, there's no reason to. I am not agreeing with Bill.
post #36 of 75
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Originally Posted by Carnotaur3
I just don't think his intentions were for it to have been about him blaming the kid,...
How in holy hell did you come to that conclusion?
post #37 of 75
How can anyone with a shred of intelligence, decency and moral like that guy ? Bob has a point with the whole freedom of speech, but I still don't get how a country can scream in indignation over Janet Jackson's tit and allow this guy to have a show.

So far, Bill O'Reilly could rape a 5 years old islamic boy and shoot him in the head after the act live on air and some people would applaud the initiative, claiming it's a metaphor for the War on Terror and how it hsould be handled.

And Carnotaur3, just stick at playing the myers87 wannabe.
post #38 of 75
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Originally Posted by Carnotaur3
Well, I generally agree with him, even though I don't on the matter.

My commpent about the overblow was unneccessary.
unneccessary? really?

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Originally Posted by Carnotaur3
Don't insult me, there's no reason to. I am not agreeing with Bill.


Hey man, I didnt. If you feel insulted, its because of your own guilt.
post #39 of 75
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Originally Posted by Carnotaur3
I am not agreeing with Bill.
But you openly admit you like him, and you generally agree with him. It's fucking tragic. Even the right-leaning posters on these boards are disgusted by him. It just makes me sad that a 20 year-old kid is buying into this man's ignorant spew. I really hope you open your eyes as you grow older.
post #40 of 75
Unrealted but NBC doesn't like that O'Reilly called them a "left leaning" news network...

Also if anyone can post the Kieth Olbermann video when he most surely jabs Bill for this (the child kidnap thing not the NBC is left) please do so! I don't get MSNBC.
post #41 of 75
Bill O'Reilly is a massive tactless cunt. Jesus christ Bill, the tape on the crime scene is still fresh, save your douchebag speculation for another day.
post #42 of 75
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Originally Posted by Phil Connors
Also, people like O'Reilly, Coulter, Limbaugh etc need to be allowed continue to broadcast - after all, they incessantly and consistently make the left look brighter, more empathetic, more intelligent, and more morally developed than the fucking troglodytes who actually listen to these shows and buy into their bile. How any individual with even a basic handle on humanity and what it means can say they 'like' O'Reilly and his ilk is actually beyond my ability to comprehend.
I don't think they should be censored, but things don't really work they way you're saying they do. Crazy moronic conservatives makes us liberals feel smarter, but they don't make us look that much better to everyone else. The fact that they're on the air and they're as popular as they are is a sign that a lof of people in the US believe and follow what they say and they think we're wrong.
post #43 of 75
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Originally Posted by Andre Dellamorte
You're against penalizing people for committing slander? Also, this isn't a free speech issue.
How is it slander? He's not fabricating facts. He's stating an opinion.
post #44 of 75
I'm trying to decide whether Carnotaur3 is yet another well-disguised troll, or really just this stupid. I'm leaning towards the former, as he seems to find himself on the contrary side of every thread he posts in.
post #45 of 75
I cannot comprehend how anyone could suggest that someone would prefer being kidnapped and sexually abused as an alternative to their "boring" everyday life, especially when that victim is a child. Such comments are at the very least insensitive to the victims and their families and beyond that (as Dre suggested above) may be indicative of underlying psychological issues...most clearly a lack of empathy.
post #46 of 75
I just had a chance to watch that clip. I can't believe there's even a debate about this. Bill O'Reilly needs to be sent to prison and gang-raped.
post #47 of 75
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Originally Posted by Ian Challis
I'm trying to decide whether Carnotaur3 is yet another well-disguised troll, or really just this stupid. I'm leaning towards the former, as he seems to find himself on the contrary side of every thread he posts in.
Yeah, I've had him pegged as a returner for some time.
post #48 of 75
Bill O's comments here are just as ignorant and damaging as Tom Cruise's anti-psychiatry rant. Not to mention they both reveal interesting things about their respective personal demons. However, one gets defended by scientologists and the other gets defended by Fox News luvrs. That makes sense.
post #49 of 75
The difference being that, as a society, we're generally more sensitive to the feelings of ABDUCTED AND MOLESTED CHILDREN than that of shrinks.
post #50 of 75
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Originally Posted by BobClark
How is it slander? He's not fabricating facts. He's stating an opinion.
He's implying that the boy didn't mind his situation, which is malicious. Saying "It's my opinion that X enjoys raping babies" doesn't remove it from slander.
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