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post #51 of 74
1/21/07 at 4:56am
I mean, what's all the strategizing for? You're not running the campaign. Maybe you should put more thought into what you actually care about
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post #52 of 74
1/21/07 at 4:58am
I never said how I vote, but my answer is no.

What you're describing is how the parties figure out who to run.

Edit - In response to the second post, it's called speculating...and this forum is loaded with threads that do it. Where have you been?
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post #53 of 74
1/21/07 at 4:59am
It just seems like a waste of time and energy. I try to discourage it whenever I can.
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post #54 of 74
1/21/07 at 5:02am
A waste of time and energy to try to get a feel for how the two major political parties will run their campaigns next year?

I think not.
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post #55 of 74
1/21/07 at 5:05am
Who cares about the two major political parties? What have they done for people in the last 50 years?
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post #56 of 74
1/21/07 at 5:06am
Besides run the country?
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post #57 of 74
1/21/07 at 5:08am
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Originally Posted by stump
I mean, what's all the strategizing for? You're not running the campaign. Maybe you should put more thought into what you actually care about
Or don't vote.
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post #58 of 74
1/21/07 at 5:16am
Even though I'm drunk I still think I'm ok in this thread...

Yes, besides run this county. I don't feel the need to argue with idiots (conservatives/republicans) who make no attempt at dealing with actual political ideas. When you think about our everyday society, do Republicans and Democrats mean anything to you? Do you ever see a gang of Republicans walking down the street???

Not sure where I'm going with this, but basically I'm saying that by buying into the R vs D system you're basically just watching American Idol and voting on who you think the winner is. A lot of people know this already; I thought you guys would have to. Republicans are obviously born evil. But Democrats don't care. They're totally lazy. Stop calculating your moves as if you were the most important character on the board. We need to start doing what we actually believe and sacrifice your self-importance. The Democratic party died in '72 because of this kind of behavior we have been showing for the last 8 years, and now we're all walking zombies... rambling...
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post #59 of 74
1/21/07 at 5:19am
Alright, stump, what do you suggest we do?
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post #60 of 74
1/21/07 at 6:26am
Is it wise to have every candidate be over 50? In general, it's the younger folk who have the most passion and stamina and creativity, and the oldies who are the most stubborn and irritable and confused. It's a dumb comparison, but the Beatles did their best stuff in their 20s. Yeah, leading a country is a whole different kettle of fish to playing guitars, but it just seems to me like Presidents are being elected well past their "Use By" date.

Maybe a younger President like Obama might do some good, experience or not. Or is experience more important than youthful lucidity in this case?
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post #61 of 74
1/21/07 at 6:41am
Experience usually wins out in cases where the decision results in someone being appointed to (or in this case elected to) a high-level position in the federal government.

When the senate is discussing appointments in committee, I hear them harp on experience almost as much as they do anything else.
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post #62 of 74
1/21/07 at 6:50am
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Fuck experience. Come on, it's all about the money.
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post #63 of 74
1/21/07 at 6:54am
Doesn't the President get upwards of $450k annually?
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post #64 of 74
1/21/07 at 2:43pm
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Originally Posted by stump
Stop calculating your moves as if you were the most important character on the board. We need to start doing what we actually believe and sacrifice your self-importance.
I'm sorry, but what are you talking about? Seriously, could you explain exactly what you mean by that?
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post #65 of 74
1/21/07 at 3:01pm
People who harp on Obama's lack of experience seem to forget that before he was elected to the Senate, he spent seven years in the Illinois State Legislature. He might be fresh in the Senate, but he's not a newbie when it comes to politics. Seeing as how three of our last four Presidents never held office higher than governor in their respective states, I don't get the "lack of experience" comments.
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post #66 of 74
1/21/07 at 3:50pm
Being governor is like a small scale presidency though, which I suppose is why so many of them reach the Oval Office. Being in the legislature isn't the same sort of executive position.
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post #67 of 74
1/21/07 at 4:23pm
I don't know how it works in California and Arkansas, but the governor of Texas is a political figurehead and nothing more--the lieutenent governor has all the power you'd normally attribute to a governor.

Which, I guess, really did set Bush up for his term in office as a finger puppet.
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post #68 of 74
1/21/07 at 4:40pm
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Originally Posted by stump
Even though I'm drunk I still think I'm ok in this thread...

Yes, besides run this county. I don't feel the need to argue with idiots (conservatives/republicans) who make no attempt at dealing with actual political ideas. When you think about our everyday society, do Republicans and Democrats mean anything to you? Do you ever see a gang of Republicans walking down the street???
First of all, posting drunk, especially in the politics forum = really bad idea. Second of all, yes, Republicans and Democrats do mean a hell of a lot to our everyday society. And I see and interact with Democrats or groups of Republicans about 100x as often as I have any gang-related encounter, so...what was your point?
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post #69 of 74
1/21/07 at 8:24pm
It sounded like his point was that we should stop voting for Democrats and Republicans, and vote for independent and Green Party people, thus marginalizing our votes and rendering them mute. No thanks. I realize full well that the choice between the Democratic and Republican candidates is delcaring the lesser of two evils, but I'm not throwing out my vote as a form of pointless and invisible protest.

Maybe that wasn't your point at all, but it's very difficult to figure out what you meant. Plus, I find it odd that you're so out of joint about us wasting our time. So coming in here drunk to yell at us for wasting our time is apparently not a waste of time. Have another beer, and then go yell at people at the bus stop for not buying a car.
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post #70 of 74
1/22/07 at 5:40am
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Jared Melton
Doesn't the President get upwards of $450k annually?
Sorry, I wasn't being clear. My point was, and I've made this point before in the Politics Forum, that people don't seem to win presedential elections on experience. Generally speaking it's the person with the most money (or the person who's best at raising money) who wins. This doesn't equate to political experience - look at Bush.

With regard to the present election, people have been talking about Hillary Clinton's fundraising abilities and "war chest" since the middle of last year.
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post #71 of 74
1/22/07 at 5:48am
Ah, thanks for clarifying.

I agree, by the way. At least in the case of the Presidential election. That concept didn't work out for a governor race we had a while back, but that's Texas for you.
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post #72 of 74
1/23/07 at 8:57pm
I'm surprised that nobody beat me to mentioning how McCain lost the 2004 Republican primary; he was undone in the south by rumors (allegedly started by the Cheney machine) that he had adopted a black baby.

This is why I don't give any news about Obama or Clinton the time of day. Too great a segment of the voting public still isn't ready for the 20th century, never mind the 21st.
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post #73 of 74
1/23/07 at 9:32pm
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Originally Posted by Rheokhu
I'm surprised that nobody beat me to mentioning how McCain lost the 2004 Republican primary; he was undone in the south by rumors (allegedly started by the Cheney machine) that he had adopted a black baby.

This is why I don't give any news about Obama or Clinton the time of day. Too great a segment of the voting public still isn't ready for the 20th century, never mind the 21st.
That was the 2000 election. He didn't run for president in 2004.

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There was alleged to have been a push polling campaign by the Bush camp, in which phone calls were made to conservative Republican voters in the Deep South, allegedly to ask them whether they would support McCain if he had an illegitimate interracial daughter with a black woman. McCain in fact has an adopted daughter from Bangladesh. Accounts of this are covered in the books, Bush's Brain and Boy Genius.[18] Additionally, conservative commentator Rush Limbaugh entered the fray supporting Bush.
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post #74 of 74
1/24/07 at 9:24pm
I stand corrected on the date; thank you.
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