Gonzalez says the Constitution doesn't guarantee habeas corpus

Over the past couple of years, I've had a feeling that there won't be an election in 2008... They'll manufacture a reason to suspend it, you'll see...

/agree Pete

Bush hired Lionel Hutz for AG! Seriously, is this guy completely unqualified or what?

He'll be gone in two years. Don't sweat it.

No, seriously now:

I quit being American.

He should be gone right now for saying something so appalling considering his position.

What's it gonna take to officially qualify these people as fascists?

He's already a declared Republican. What more do you want?

Something less cynical and partisan. These people should be denounced by everyone, not just democrats.

Overlord, I apologise for singling you out, but I tend to think of you as the most reasoned and intelligent right-winger on these boards. Are you not absolutely fucking mortified at what has happened to America in the last 6 years? Seriously? Sorro? CT? Theroyle? What exactly is getting in the way of you being utterly repulsed by the likes of this?

The Republicans are understandably nervous about the next presidential election, so I'd guess Bush won't let Gonzales stretch his leash too much.

True, the administration has now learned that there's a price to pay for pissing people off. I'd imagine there's going to be a little more leash-tugging when people say something this hateful.

When something this crazy is said by the U.S. Attorney General, "leash-tugging" is far from enough. gonzalez should be out of a job as we speak.

??? Government rarely works that way, unless it's something racist. If we fired everyone who said something crazy or inappropriate there'd be no one left.

Saying the Constitution doesn't garantee habeas corpus isn't inappropriate. It's unacceptable in the so-called Land of Freedom.

It's unacceptable but the kind of accountability you're proposing does not exist in most governments, and certainly not in this administration.

Again, with any luck at all we'll sweep out this trash in 2 years.

Yes it does exist. The population need to get worked up about this and demand he be fired.

Much of the public probably agrees with him though.

The vast majority of the public doesn't care. That's the problem.

And we have a winner.

This makes my fucking head spin. The obvious implication of that passage is that there IS a right to habeas corpus that should not be infringed. Why don't people understand and follow the rules of the language we've all agreed to use?

Bush could declare martial law. Not a lot of people are aware of this, but if martial-law is declared then things like elections are suspended until the supposed "state of emergency" is declared over. If this happens, Bush could be president, in theory, indefinitely.

Why would that happen though? He's a dimwit, not Darth Vader.

If the prequels taught us anything, it's that there's a thin line between Darth Vader and dimwit.

Touche.

Oh please, like Bush is really calling the shots anyway! If there happens to be another attack on U.S. soil then Cheney, or Rove or one of his cabal of "advisers" could easily convince president chimpy to declare martial law.
Hell, there wouldn't even need to be an attack. They could just raise the threatlevel or something like that. It really wouldn't be that hard, especially since they obviously have total disdain for the law anyway.
Like Bush has really been coming up with all of the evil shit he's been doing all by himself.
I would certainly hope that no one on this board is naive enough to believe he's doing this all by his lonesome.

This is idiotic. It's not going to take anything as exciting as martial law or suspended elections for Bush, Cheney, and all their cronies to stay on top. The system is what it is, and they're all making out like bandits under the status quo. Sure, they're probably not happy to lose positions to the Dems, but it's not like any of them were truly repressed or hurting during the Dark Ages of the last Clinton presidency.

Provided he never dies.

Why would Bush and Co. want to stay in place? The economy is in shambles, the war in Iraq is not anywhere near a conclusion and they've lost the House and Congress. They'll be quite happy to leave, even richer than they were at the beginning of all this.

I didn't say it made any sense. I just said it's possible.
Everything these guys do involves ass-backwards thinking.

It's theoretically possible, but not feasible. W has had his chance to play president, and I'd wager that it hasn't been as fun or easy as he originally hoped. He's probably looking forward to handing the reins back to the grown-ups almost as much as we are.

John Dean has a good discussion of this issue on Findlaw.

http://writ.lp.findlaw.com/dean/20070126.html

I just dont understand why people do this. Why is he and the Bush administration fucking with our constitution. He is soon going to be a full out dictator. Dont people realize that it's not worth it? Look at Castro for example he took over Cuba turned it into a piece of shit and now what? He's gonna die and it's going to start catching up with the rest of the world. Why do people need to have complete power.

I am starting to realize it's one of two things that Bush is raping our constitution and setting up a police state.
1) He is just power hungry and wants to be dictator of the most powerful country.

2) He knows something we dont. The US economy will soon not be able to sustain itself and will collapse. The dollar is worth NOTHING so if it does collapse the American people will NOT be able to handle it. We're brainwashed into the routine of life and not having work or anything we have now will create chaos......hence the need for a police state.

Honestly I wish it would collapse.....the current way of doing things just isnt working. Everywhere you look things are fucked up.....Hopefully we can be more like the Europeans when we rebuild.

Castro turned Cuba into a piece of shit? Castro may be a bad guy on many fronts, but the situation of Cuba is not one of them. Cuba is much better now then it was before when it was controlled by rich American interests.

Compare it to the neighboring countries and it has a much better alphabetization rate and a much better health care system. Cuba also has a lower infantile death rate than the USA.

Some people have been saying he will be gone in two years in re Gonzalez. How? He's in there for life.

Are you kidding me??????? I live in Miami and I hear what ALL these Cubans have to say about it. I see the pictures that come off the island. So don't try to pull that shit on me. I have friends who had to eat cats and dogs to survive because there was nothing else.

This is getting off point, but on the subject of Cuba, a big reason it's a mess is because of the embargo when they went communist. They were really cut off from trade from the rest of the world and it killed their economy. It was the US flexing its economic muscles to scare countries away from allying themselves with the USSR.

Have you seen what Haiti looks like? Much worse than Cuba. Maybe if the USA wasn't still holding a silly grudge towards Cuba your friends would have had a decent living.

Why are you bringing Haiti into this? That's ridiculous...the man refuted your point about Cuba with first-hand experience, and you're trying to dodge it by shifting to another country?

...and it wouldn't be too difficult for a country that's slightly smaller than Pennsylvania and less than 12 million people to have an infant mortality rate less than that of a nation with 300 million.

Because in my previous post I never said Cuba was a paradise, I said it had better conditions than it's neighboring countries has bad as they may be. So I'm not trying to dodge.

And you do know that rates are calculated in proportions, right?

[QUOTE=The Alexor]Castro turned Cuba into a piece of shit? Castro may be a bad guy on many fronts, but the situation of Cuba is not one of them. Cuba is much better now then it was before when it was controlled by rich American interests.





You said "Cuba is much better now then it was before when it was controlled by rich American interests"

Ok, yeah...sorry about that. I should have known better.

[QUOTE=DarthSidious] Yes, and here's what I also said:

Maybe, but I still believe that if the embargo had been lifted with the fall of the U.S.S.R., Cuba would have a much better country to live. As it his, I still believe it's a better place to be than it's neighbors.

The embargo is fucking ridiculous. When is a US president going to have the balls to call this thing off? The enemies they allied themselves with don't even exist anymore. Japan directly attacked us, and we're not holding a grudge against them.