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post #1 of 55
1/22/07 at 1:03pm
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post #2 of 55
1/22/07 at 1:05pm
With Raimi and the original cast out of the way, fans can finally get the kewl shitfest they've been hankering for, "without all the moping". And with Carnage.
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post #3 of 55
1/22/07 at 1:40pm
My interest level is going to plummet if Raimi and Co. leave, and I sort of suspect that they will. We've yet to have a solid, superhero trilogy, and if they pull it off, they might as well go out on top. Koepp is fine, he writes good blockbusters. Spider-Man could probably generate entertaining action movies for years, with the right directors behind him. But if Raimi and Maguire leave, I think that extra something will leave too.
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post #4 of 55
1/22/07 at 1:47pm
Raimi leaving would be a pretty big deal, but I'd certainly be willing to see who Sony earmarked as his replacement. They chose him in the first place, after all.
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post #5 of 55
1/22/07 at 1:48pm
If I was a Sony exec I'd do whatever I could to get Raimi and the original cast to sign onto a fourth Spidy film, even if that means letting Raimi take a break on a different movie in between, if only to allow them to finish the Venom 2-parter. Then I'd bring on Edgar Wright and as much of the original cast as possible, but I'd make sure we knew who'd be returning while Spidy 4 was still in script stage in order to see who should make an exit in that film and if that was Maguire's final movie then finish his particular arc.

Aside from Wright, who else would do a good job and wouldn't demolish the universe that Raimi has created?
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post #6 of 55
1/22/07 at 1:54pm
Hopefully Koepp remembers to include Spidey's hyphen. That's all that's really important.
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post #7 of 55
1/22/07 at 1:54pm
A change in actors playing Parker would also be a good opportunity to bring him closer to the version in the comics. Tobey Maguire is a great actor in the part but his version of the character is a lot more aw-shucks innocent, and after the whole Venom episode and possible death of Mary Jane, when the changing of the guard comes the new actor could let these past experiences and losses turn the character into what he became in the comics, more sarcastic and confident, but also very haunted by his past and occasionally very bitter.

And who knows? Maybe around the time the actor change takes place Marvel Studios will have struck some deal with Sony to let the character into their playground and take part in the merry Marvel mayhem there with possible crossovers.
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post #8 of 55
1/22/07 at 1:56pm
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Originally Posted by litmus
Hopefully Koepp remembers to include Spidey's hyphen. That's all that's really important.
Yeah, he sounds like a jewish lawyer otherwise. "Teitelbaum, Spiderman and Katz want to get YOU the money YOU deserve!"
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post #9 of 55
1/22/07 at 2:02pm
After the pleasures of Spiderman I and II and the awesomeness of Spidey III on the horizon, I am more than willing to give Sony the benefit of the doubt on this one.
There are enough talented actors, directors, etc. out there to keep my spider senses tingling. Though it is a beautiful area for speculation right now.
As long as they don´t go all-out X3 over it there is hope.
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post #10 of 55
1/22/07 at 2:13pm
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Originally Posted by Stormin
A change in actors playing Parker would also be a good opportunity to bring him closer to the version in the comics. Tobey Maguire is a great actor in the part but his version of the character is a lot more aw-shucks innocent, and after the whole Venom episode and possible death of Mary Jane, when the changing of the guard comes the new actor could let these past experiences and losses turn the character into what he became in the comics, more sarcastic and confident, but also very haunted by his past and occasionally very bitter.

And who knows? Maybe around the time the actor change takes place Marvel Studios will have struck some deal with Sony to let the character into their playground and take part in the merry Marvel mayhem there with possible crossovers.
I'm pretty sure Peter changes like that in Spidey 3 when he gets the black suit.
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post #11 of 55
1/22/07 at 2:25pm
Naw, he's just more emo.
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post #12 of 55
1/22/07 at 2:30pm
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Originally Posted by Septim
i wouldnt mind seeing rodiriguez try his hand at spidermans 4.
Is that like The Warriors Three? Spider-Man, Spider-Woman, That Other Spider-Woman Who's In Alpha Flight Now, and Arãna?
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post #13 of 55
1/22/07 at 2:41pm
I can't believe so many are already coming to terms with the idea of a change to the creative cast behind the spidey movies.

where is the geek outcry! Has ratner's magnum opus really convinced so many that a change in director would be ok? In reality, I guess its possible another director could come on board and keep the franchise going, but I think Raimi's struggle to keep the movies as true to form as possible and earning the studio's respect in the process would be hard to let go.

On the other hand, replacing maguire would probably be a huge mistake. I think Sony is smart enough to allow all these guys to have time to work on smaller projects inbetween these big spiderman movies. Hopefully Maguire/Raimi see it the same way.
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post #14 of 55
1/22/07 at 2:44pm
get peter jackson in. then let raimi do the hobbit.
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post #15 of 55
1/22/07 at 2:45pm
The outcry isn't there because most of this crowd has assumed Raimi and Maguire would leave after 3 since before the release of 2. That, and the lingering legacy of the prequels, which taught the geek community that there is such a thing as too much of a good thing.
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post #16 of 55
1/22/07 at 2:59pm
Seriously, as long as they keep the general structure and emotional emphasis of the previous films I am all for more Spideys.

I mean, look at Johnny Depp's perseverence to continue playing Jack Sparrow and the world of Pirates. The fact that Depp (and executives) want to continue creating movies in that world makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

That being said, I wouldn't mind the lack of Kirsten Dunst or the change in Spider-man performers. Gyllenhaal or whoever. Like Stormin wrote above, it would definitely be like the comics that way.
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post #17 of 55
1/22/07 at 3:02pm
Clone Saga is a GO!
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post #18 of 55
1/22/07 at 3:06pm
With all love and due respect to Sam Raimi, he's got better things to do, and he's done the character right. Good for him for wanting to leave, and nice enough job planting the seeds for future films (the Lizard?). As for a replacement, I recall Sony was going to go with David Fincher for the original until he announced his plans to do the origin in the first five minutes. Now that everything's out of the way, maybe they can get him back?
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post #19 of 55
1/22/07 at 3:28pm
Count me down as one who hopes Raimi and Maguire stick around for at least one more.

The names being brought up in this thread as people suitable to direct the next installment have me a little worried...

1.) Fincher? I love the guy, but for Spiderman?? Just doesn't feel right.

2.) Rodriguez? Please no.. Niether of these choices seem like good ideas to me.

In fact, I'd have a hard time naming directors that would in fact be good choices to take over the franchise.
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post #20 of 55
1/22/07 at 3:36pm
Actually, I could see Fincher making one hell of a Spider-Man movie, especially if he takes all his idiosyncrasies with him. Maybe no-one's better suited for an installment featuring the Lizard.
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post #21 of 55
1/22/07 at 4:05pm
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Originally Posted by Schwartz
the lingering legacy of the prequels, which taught the geek community that there is such a thing as too much of a good thing.
The prequels taught me that a big sucking vacuum of any good thing wasn't a good thing.
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post #22 of 55
1/22/07 at 4:09pm
If Fincher took over most of the audience would get whiplash from the tone changing so fast.
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post #23 of 55
1/22/07 at 4:16pm
Terry Zwigoff is the obvious choice of successor. Him or Todd Solondz.
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post #24 of 55
1/22/07 at 4:18pm
I'd personally much rather see Kraven or Mysterio as a villain in Spider-Man 4; If they use Carnage then I'll probably have all the impetus I need to keep my money in my wallet.

Or maybe they could hire Mark Steven Johnson to direct, then I know I'll be doing something else on opening day.
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post #25 of 55
1/22/07 at 4:33pm
How about Jon Favreau? He's lining up one helluva flick with Iron Man; I can only imagine what he'd do with Spidey.

Regardless, if Maguire, Raimi, Dunst, DeFoe, etc. want to move on, then great. They all did a fantastic job with this trilogy and deserve a great big "Thanks" from the fans.
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post #26 of 55
1/22/07 at 5:01pm
Fincher was "attached" (mostly by fans) back when he was white hot and "attached" to anything ranging from a STAR WARS Prequel to another BATMAN film. I was a rabid Fincher fanatic back in the day but now I feel like he's just covering the same cynical territory over and over again. SPIDER-MAN needs a director with heart and a sense of boyish wonder, and although I'm not exactly over the moon about Raimi anymore either, I have to admit, he's got that over Fincher in spades.

In that regard, Del Toro could be an interesting choice, though he'd probably be more interested in the villains (read: "monsters") than Peter or MJ. At this point, it'd probably just be in everyone's best interest to throw Fort Knox at Raimi and just keep him on board.

As for Fincher, I'd rather see him make a BATMAN film anyway. Although I think he really should have done HOLLOW MAN. That would have been a far more dangerous and provocative experience than the "dipshits in goggles" howler it turned out to be.
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post #27 of 55
1/22/07 at 5:50pm
Cronenburg.

Mind you, I've seen few films or franchises I wouldn;t be faschinated to see what he did with.


More seriously, Gilliam.
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post #28 of 55
1/22/07 at 5:54pm
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Originally Posted by Litmus Configuration
Fincher was "attached" (mostly by fans) back when he was white hot and "attached" to anything ranging from a STAR WARS Prequel to another BATMAN film.
And Talkbacks were full of "Ed Norton for Peter Parker! Brad Pitt for Spider-Man!"
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post #29 of 55
1/22/07 at 6:12pm
Similar to "X3", I think we're going to have to set our sights a bit lower for a director replacement for "Spider-Man 4". It's going to be a pretty thankless job. You knock it out of the park, people say "good job, you didn't fuck it up". But if you come up with anything less than what Raimi did, and it's "A Piece Of Shit!"

Raimi is going to have left a very deep footprint on this. Established A-list directors aren't going to want to follow his lead. Talented B-listers or up and coming young directors are more likely candidates.
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post #30 of 55
1/22/07 at 6:14pm
Also, Tobey Maguire needs to get started on his next franchise: Tokyo Suckerpunch!
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post #31 of 55
1/22/07 at 6:16pm
Peter Jackson & John Fav aren't bad suggestions.

I think Gore Verbinski or Martin Campbell would be adequate. But Raimi just has that kinetic comicbook pinache down pat. Ronnie Yu's Fearless shows that maybe he has the chops. Genndy Tartakovski (Clone Wars) is moving into "live action" with the Dark Crystal 2. Joe Dante could use a big vehicle to get back in the swing of things.

On a more violent suggestion, Wayne Kramer (Running Scared) and Mark Neveldine/Brian Taylor (Crank) directed some of my favorite action flicks last year. Probably more appropriate for a Punisher, Daredevil, etc flick... Fanboy wishful thinking that they'll direct some brutal comic book movies in the future.

Best hypothetical replacement suggestion so far: Edgar Wright
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post #32 of 55
1/22/07 at 6:42pm
Ah, hell. Get Scorsese. Really shake things up.
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post #33 of 55
1/22/07 at 7:33pm
I'm surprised no one's been a dick and thrown out the MICHAEL BAY! or BRETT RATNER! chants yet.

Wait...this isn't AICN is it?

I think that a great young director could be brought in. What about Cuaron? He's made a bunch of excellent films and one of them is the best in an exsisting franchise. I think he would be a fantastic choice.
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post #34 of 55
1/22/07 at 7:37pm
Cuaron's not falling over himself to do franchise movies. Prisoner of Azkaban was probably it for him.
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post #35 of 55
1/22/07 at 7:46pm
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Originally Posted by Greg Clark
Cuaron's not falling over himself to do franchise movies. Prisoner of Azkaban was probably it for him.
Oh, I bet you're right. But I thought he'd be a great fit and really, we're just throwing names around here. God only know who the hell they're bringing in next.
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post #36 of 55
1/22/07 at 8:07pm
Nobody mentioned in this thread will get anywhere near a Spider-Man movie.
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post #37 of 55
1/22/07 at 8:32pm
I hope they change the whole team. I don't like Spiderman 1 + 2 and based on that absolutely horrendous delivery of dialogue in the SPM3 trailer, I know I'll dislike that one too.

It's beyond me why these films are so popular. But I guess most people have a film or series that they stand alone on.
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post #38 of 55
1/22/07 at 8:52pm
Cameron.
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post #39 of 55
1/22/07 at 8:54pm
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Originally Posted by Bitches Leave
I hope they change the whole team. I don't like Spiderman 1 + 2 and based on that absolutely horrendous delivery of dialogue in the SPM3 trailer, I know I'll dislike that one too.

It's beyond me why these films are so popular. But I guess most people have a film or series that they stand alone on.
I loved SPIDERMAN 2, only liked the first, and feel the EXACT same way about the first two X-MEN films (I haated 3).

Come to think of it, I liked the Burton BATMAN's and BATMAN BEGINS, so I don't think that statement is totally true.

Although I'm not really into the SUPERMAN movies or the character all together, so maybe there's some truth to your theory.
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post #40 of 55
1/22/07 at 9:41pm
Hey new guy: it's "Spider-man" not "Spiderman" --- I thought this was a geek site?
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post #41 of 55
1/22/07 at 9:41pm
Stew, I think, is right. Raimi has left his mark on this franchise, more so than Tim Burton did for Batman. Most A-list directors would probably consider it a comedown to follow Raimi on future Spider-man movies. I'm expecting Sony to consider relatively unknown directors coming from working in TV, music videos or commercials. Same thing for future casting options. Gyllenhall would be decent for the part, but he is growing a bit long in the tooth to be playing a young college student. The guy is getting older and migrating to more adult parts. Maguire is barely pulling it off; he's pushing 30 and playing Peter Parker at about age 20.
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post #42 of 55
1/22/07 at 10:15pm
Does anyone else remember a news story from a while back that said Alvin Sargent had signed to write Spidey's 3 through 7 or something like that?
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post #43 of 55
1/23/07 at 12:30am
The single biggest improvement from the first film to the second lay in the replacement of David Koepp with Alvin Sargent. Koepp is competent enough, but his screenplays have very little style. They do what's required to make the machinery move, and nothing more. The prospect of his return to the franchise doesn't excite me.

Of course, as you've all been saying, I can't imagine what it's going to take to excite me once Raimi moves on. I'm going to vote for Rian Johnson, just because.
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post #44 of 55
1/23/07 at 12:48am
Of his films I've only ever seen 'Very Bad Things' (which I love unabashedly) but Peter Berg is accumulating a lot of geek cred and If 'The Kingdom' and the numerous other projects he's been attached to pan out (specifically "The Losers" and "Tonight, He Comes"), I think he'd get a pretty warm welcome from the geek community.
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post #45 of 55
1/23/07 at 12:58am
I think The Rundown alone qualifies him for the job.
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post #46 of 55
1/23/07 at 1:03am
As long as he keeps the camera shaking to a minimum.
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post #47 of 55
1/23/07 at 2:15am
See I'd be down for a little MORE style from the SPIDER-MAAN movies(I like the darker tone of 3), but what I don't want is a fuckin' Spidey music video with Racid playing every five minutes.

I'm surprised it's been this long before someone has mentioned Renny Harlin.

Fuck it, let Cameron shoot the script he wrote a while back.

COMING IN 2017....SPIDER-MAN 3D
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post #48 of 55
1/23/07 at 2:59am
Oh good, another person who thinks "style" means "dark and gritty". The first two Spider-Man movies had style pouring from every orifice. Not being "Hard R" is not the same as not having style.
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post #49 of 55
1/23/07 at 4:35am
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Originally Posted by Greg David
The single biggest improvement from the first film to the second lay in the replacement of David Koepp with Alvin Sargent. Koepp is competent enough, but his screenplays have very little style. They do what's required to make the machinery move, and nothing more. The prospect of his return to the franchise doesn't excite me.

Of course, as you've all been saying, I can't imagine what it's going to take to excite me once Raimi moves on. I'm going to vote for Rian Johnson, just because.
Spiderman written by Koepp was simplistic fluff. I don't know if it's necesseraly because of the writer changes from 1 to 2 but Spider-Man 2 as a film was on another level of creativity. It went from entertaining adventure movie franchise to something that could compete with even the best "serious" movies outthere.

Then again maybe Sony/Columbia hired Koepp to cover their a$$ets if Raimi and the gang can't make it to the dance for Spidey 4 and the next batch of movies. At least for contiuity sakes they will have somebody that already worked on a Spider-Man movie before. Let's face it, they need something solid to work with whatever happens. And if Sam wants to do Spidey 4, he could change that script or do as he pleases like he did with any other script that have come in front of his eyes from Michael Cabon and so forth and just discard it outright.
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post #50 of 55
1/23/07 at 4:05pm
Why are people saying David Koepp wrote "Spider-Man"? Sure, his name's on it, but you don't honestly think he was one of eight hundred names to touch that script?
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