Civil War the Return: big spoiler pics

I figured that was who it was, given the hints about a link to the Negative Zone prison in the solicits.

Who the fuck cares about Captain Marvel? When I read the spoiler it was him I said "So? Where the hell's Thor?", and yeah, Thor is due back considering somebody with the initials D(onald) B(lake) picked up his hammer recently.

I care about Captain Marvel.

The whole thing stinks of a giant Fuck You to Jim Starlin. Quesada has had a bone to pick with that guy since the collapse of the Thanos series and Starlin losing his shit over it.

But, I'd go so far as to say that it might not be Mar-vell. For all we know, it could be Quasar in the outfit.

It's a wild theory for the folks following Annhilation and who actually know shit about Quasar. But, the setup fits perfectly into the character's history.

I just read it. It sucked. It's apparently the real Mar-Vell, but from an alternate time where he escaped cancer or something. He still has it, though, so he's going to die eventually the same way. I don't know much about him so, it was a little hard to follow. The art was complete garbage.

Also, the Sentry continues to cement himself as one of the shittiest Marvel characters around. Haven't read his half of the issue yet, though.

I still have yet to read the issue. I picked it up earlier, but I dropped it off at the house during the lunch hour.

In regards to the Sentry, he's not a bad character. Nobody gets the character yet and when someone does, they will knock it right out of the park. There's so much potential there that lies in him being something more than a Superman analogue.

I hope it's Quasar, the whole Mar-Vell angle cheapens the character's death for people who haven't discovered the character.

I finally got to read the issue. The Quasar theory is just another wild tangent in the ever growing sea of them.

That being said, I like where they seem to be taking Captain Marvel. I like it a lot.

The original Jenkins mini was really good, I thought. The only other Sentry I've read was his first arc in New Avengers, before I dropped that title.

Well, Marvel care about the trademark.

That's part of my problem and why I don't look forward to Bendis handling The Hood.

Jenkins really hasn't had that strong of a chance to develop the character. He's introduced Robert Reynolds, but that's taken two mini-series and a few specials. Most of which is trying to shoehorn The Sentry comfortably into the Marvel Universe.

Couple that with fans that cry foul whenever something disrupts the Space Nerd continuum, this leads to unfair resentment.

So, what happens? The Sentry gets scuttled off into a rebuild pick by Bendis. Bendis feels that every character he writes has to talk like him, so he rebuilds the Sentry into his character while ignoring the groundwork setup by the character's creator.

Sometimes, this works for Bendis. Other times, we get the pissing away of Black Widow II (Yelena) and the whole Ronin bullshit.

I just find Sentry really forced and uninteresting. It doesn't help he's such an obnoxious, mopey pretty-boy.

Well that comic stunk on ice.

The original Captain Marvel was cool and his death is one of the best in comics.

...And while the way they brought him back makes sense in comic logic...my problem with the book..

What's the point? For a book called The Return...this was as anticlimatic as all possible. A major hero comes back. To be a warden. For a prison that was basically created to be a final battleground that he won't even really participate in.

And no its not Quasar because the book states it very clearly its Cap.

As for The Sentry...his biggest flaw? He's boring, he is just a Superman analogue and frankly of all the superman analogues running around these days, he is by the least interesting or entertaing. By the way, since when is Absorbing Man the Parasite? That's never how his powers worked from what I remember...or am I just crazy?

That's what I was thinking too. I'll do a quick check of wikipedia.

But like, he looked at the destruction that had resulted from his battle with the Absorbing Man and he totally felt bad so he felt he had to sign up.

Fucking lame.

EDIT: Yeah I supposed what happened with Absorbing man works...here's what was under 'Powers and Abilities' on Wikipedia...

Crusher Creel has the power to absorb the physical and magical properties of anything he touches. This effect also extends to the ball and chain and the prison trousers that Creel was wearing when the liquid he drank took effect. For example, if Creel were to touch and hold a piece of titanium, the tissues of his body and his ball and chain would take on the appearance and properties of titanium. Creel also retains his intellect and capacity for speech and full physical movement regardless of the material he absorbs. Creel's overall power increases in direct proportion to the strength of the material absorbed, and as such Thor is careful not to bring his hammer Mjolnir into direct contact with him. There appears to be no limit to what Creel can absorb, as he has absorbed the properties of steel [3], silk [4], bronze [5], rock, wood, soil [6], glass [7], spikes [8], Odin's cosmic bolt[9], Odin's cyclonic storm [10], Asgard itself [11], water [12], light [13], Uru[14], diamond [15], and cocaine [16].

Catch that last one? Cocaine? That was from Marvel Knights Spider-Man. Oh Mark Millar! You're so talented bringing a wonderful sense of the real world to your work!

Millar is perhaps the most uneven creator I've ever seen. Some of his stuff's amazing, and the rest is just insulting to my intelligence. What the hell is wrong with him?

Reread my original post about the Quasar theory prior to reading the issue. A little reading comprehension goes a long fucking way.

In regards to the quality of content in the issue, what would have made it more satisfying to those that didn't dig it?

Due to how Civil War is structured, Cap can't be shown doing too much as Warden in this story without intruding upon Frontline or what's going to take place in CW#7.

Hell, the Cap story isn't what bothered me. It was the Sentry side story that was nothing more than regurgitating what Bendis already covered with the Sentry over in New Avengers.

I think it's just a lack of depth, which made it come across as just really whiney to me. I understand, as you said, why they couldn't show more of his involvement in the events of Civil War, but it seems unnecessary.

They should have brought him back sooner and have him re-established within the other tie-ins and the main series. As it is, this is pretty superfluous and adds nothing.

Also, the story didn't make me care about the character at all. It's a somewhat interest idea of what he's going to have to deal with, but I've seen it happen in a million other stories already.

It seems like everyone's problem comes back to the fact that this issue seems so poorly planned in its execution.

Hell, back in the day...it would've been released as an ashcan.

Hey Anderson, didn't even reall associate your follow-up post with you. Sorry man.

As for Creel...I stand corrected...although he did seem to act more like Parasite than the thug who would be resourceful enough to asorb whatever was around him...plus I never remember him absorbing the Hulk (i.e. ultimate power) anytime they battled.

That's cool, man.

I'm glad to see that you remember that the Absorbing Man's powers work that way.

well yeah, his power from all the times I read it was to absorb elements and different inanimate objects, so he could turn into diamond and be unstoppable...but he never used to be able to absorb people's powers/dna like Parasite could. That's what irked me as it felt like a scene from Superman...except Clark was a douchebag and just overloads and blows Parasite up. Wishful thinking on Paul Jenkins' behalf?

Also, ignoring the Sentry story, the main story was just beyond boring. The Return of Captain Marvel should be a huge event, it should shake the very core of the universe and instead we get a mopey version of a cool '70s spacefaring hero get suckered into being a warden for his fellow allies. Mar-vell was never big on authority (you know fighting his Kree heritage and all) so its horribly out of character and I simply go, they killed Genis to bring back a lackluster version of his father? Simply put, they shouldn't have bothered.

Genis kicked far more ass than this version of his father.

All incarnations of Captain Marvel have been getting the royal shaft lately. Genis, and then this dope version, not to mention Ultimate Mar-Vell who they didn't even add to the huge cover of all the ultimate characters, and who hasn't really appeared in much since.

Hey, Captain Marvel II aka Photon rules above all.

Why's that?

Nextwave....which was cancelled.


Royally shafted indeed.

they killed genis? damn. how'd he bite it? i really enjoyed his series (at least at the beggining). teaming him up with rick jones was brilliant. his costume (the modernized version of CM1) was awesome.