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post #101 of 588
9/1/07 at 11:24pm
I read some Michigan fan on a message board trying to downplay the upset by saying that Appalachian State is as good as the #10 or 11 team in the Big Ten, and that if Michigan had been upset by one of those teams, it wouldn't be a big deal, so this shouldn't either. And I've got a river in Egypt to introduce him to.

My parents live in Boone and they say it's absolute bedlam up there right now. That college is that town, so it's going to be a hell of a weekend. This is the kind of thing that happens once in a lifetime, so live it up, Mountaineers!
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post #102 of 588
9/2/07 at 12:40am
I just hope those guys get a couple extra days out of class. I know if I were there I wouldn't be in any shape to do anything constructive for at least 4 days.
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post #103 of 588
9/2/07 at 2:22am
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Originally Posted by Matt Sutton
Lou Holtz said that ND was going to win 10 games this year. Lou Holtz has absolutely not business being a commentator.
Why is his corpse still on College Gameday? I want to watch College Gameday, but I refuse until ESPN fires Granny Clampett.

Back to the Michigan game, I'm happy that Arkansas is no longer the last significant I-A team to lose to a 1-AA school. My first game as a freshman, the Hogs lost to the Citadel in 1992. Awful, awful times.
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post #104 of 588
9/2/07 at 2:28am
How disenchanting that must have been.
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post #105 of 588
9/2/07 at 3:09am
Thread Starter 
WTF with NC State and UVA? Losing to Central Fla. and Wyoming, respectively? Yeesh.
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post #106 of 588
9/2/07 at 4:26am
Great game in Berkeley tonight.

I was at Stanford in the afternoon, watching my Bruins keep the Cards winless in their brand-new stadium (in near-90 degree heat), and a few folks there told me they were actually planning to try and make their way across the bay to catch the Tennessee-Cal game, too. I hope they made it, because that was a great shootout.
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post #107 of 588
9/2/07 at 10:12pm
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Originally Posted by Jeb
Great game in Berkeley tonight.

I was at Stanford in the afternoon, watching my Bruins keep the Cards winless in their brand-new stadium (in near-90 degree heat), and a few folks there told me they were actually planning to try and make their way across the bay to catch the Tennessee-Cal game, too. I hope they made it, because that was a great shootout.
I was at the Cal game (got some sweet pictures on the field with some players afterwards). Fantastic, fun game. Huge shoot-out, and it seemed closer than the final score.

Revenge is a dish best served exactly one year later. The "SEC sucks" chants really pissed off the Tennessee fans. When the Michigan score flashed on the screen, there was a collective gasp from the entire stadium. Appalachia state won the 1-AA championship twice in a row now, but come on? Lloyd Carr should have been fired that evening. Other than Chaminade beating the "Twin towers" of Virginia, this is the biggest upset in NCAA division 1-A history.

Why are Michigan and Notre Dame overrated every fucking year?
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post #108 of 588
9/2/07 at 11:34pm
They get overrated because they are the twin towers of college football.

I actually read earlier this week that App. State was equivalent to mid-level MAC team (I figured it was more of a justification of the scheduling) and asked some people if that could be true. No one knew that App. State had it in them, except as JBanks said "any team needs to only watch 20 minutes of tape and know Michigan's gameplan on offense." And since McNabb lit us up in '98, Michigan hasn't been able to stop a mobile QB.

I knew back in February this game was a shitstorm, but figured we'd only win by 17, but give up 24 - 31 points. I never expected anything like this. I can't believe that Lloyd will make it though the season, but he will.
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post #109 of 588
9/3/07 at 6:42am
NBC has got to be really thrilled to be showing that Michigan/Notre Dame game now.
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post #110 of 588
9/3/07 at 6:08pm
I'm an Appalachian alumni and this was definitely cooler than our two championship wins.
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post #111 of 588
9/3/07 at 6:51pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
NBC has got to be really thrilled to be showing that Michigan/Notre Dame game now.

As if it won't draw a sizable rating.
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post #112 of 588
9/3/07 at 9:44pm
I'd never seen the Clemson team do their stadium entrance before, that was pretty damn cool.
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post #113 of 588
9/3/07 at 9:46pm
I'm still waiting for FSU to show up for the game.
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post #114 of 588
9/3/07 at 9:54pm
FSU got ranked for two reasons: one's Bobby, the other's Bowden.

That stadium is downright rabid right now.
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post #115 of 588
9/3/07 at 10:07pm
Jesus Christ, Clemson. This shit is going to be ugly.

edit: Haha, ok, those last two plays were ugly but hilarious. Particularly that play that turned out to be a fake fake punt.
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post #116 of 588
9/3/07 at 10:27pm
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tcjsavannah
I'm still waiting for FSU to show up for the game.
My 10-year-olds looked better than this last Saturday, and we got beat 38-6 by the 2nd best team in the league.

What a cluster fuck. I hate starting the season on Labor Day night. I was excited when they called off the UM games, and then disappointed that it would be Clemson instead. We needed a Western Carolina or FIU or Central Florida (oh wait, scratch that one) to start out with before playing a big-boy team. If Lee doesn't see playing time in the this game, I'd help him fill out the transfer forms myself. Jeez, even put Ponder in there. He can't do any worse. And this offense doesn't look much different than the ones during the JB era.
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post #117 of 588
9/3/07 at 11:06pm
Wow. Nice to see that an entirely new Offense still plays EXACTLY like it did under Jeff Bowden. This "new" O_line is a joke. This is the same god damn crap I put up with all of last year. No blocking, no tackling, no spirit, penalties, piss poor special teams and bad QB decisions. Embarassing. Can't wait to hear the old man's excuses for this one. I guarantee you he'll throw out some line about how you never know or how anyone can win any week and use Michigan as an example. FUCK.
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post #118 of 588
9/4/07 at 12:22am
How can you expect their o-line to be any good without Mario Henderson?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Overlord
Why are Michigan and Notre Dame overrated every fucking year?
Michigan are, but how can you say a team that isn't ranked, and expected by many to have a losing season, overrated?
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post #119 of 588
9/4/07 at 12:54am
Thread Starter 
Once again, Ron Cherry can't find his ass with both hands. Whether the final pass was complete or not, there were 3 seconds left on the clock regardless. Maybe they score with one play, maybe they don't, but I guess we'll never know, will we Ron?

The defense figured it out the 2nd half, and the offense almost did. Let them get too far up and they paid for it. I'll say it again--fuck the ACC refs.
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post #120 of 588
9/4/07 at 1:35am
WAs just watching this video and noticecd that the same announcing team (minus Barry Alvarez) called the App State/Michigan game that called the Fiesta Bolw this year. That's an insane coincidence.
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post #121 of 588
9/4/07 at 1:51am
1st and goal, down by 1, 30 seconds left and you kick a field goal? Appalachian State's coach nearly cost them the game.
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post #122 of 588
9/4/07 at 2:31am
Yep, down here we call that a Shula. That fucker loved to kick field goals earlier than necessary, and on more than one occasion it fucked us over. I think Jerry Moore in this case was just terrified that they were going to turn the ball over. And yes, he was certainly lucky that a SENIOR offensive lineman for Michigan missed his block on that field goal.

Speaking of which, ASU actually had more turnovers than Michigan in that game, which makes the outcome even more amazing.
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post #123 of 588
9/4/07 at 9:16am
Thread Starter 
Well, after watching the post-game last night, I'll have to cut Weatherford some slack. Apparently the reason they kept coming out of the huddle late was because not only was he calling the play, but he was also having to tell the FR players what to do on the play almost every time. One of the announcers on the post-game said he had a problem with Trickett's playing 3 FR side-by-side-by-side on the OL in what would be their first game. Daron Rose got killed by that Clemson DE on every play.

If the play in the 2nd half is more indicative of how they'll play the rest of the season, I'll be happy. I wasn't expecting 14-0 this season, but I sure expected better than that first half. And as much pressure as Clemson was getting, I still wish they'd have tried at least one series with Lee in there.
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post #124 of 588
9/4/07 at 11:05am
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Originally Posted by Martianman
Well, after watching the post-game last night, I'll have to cut Weatherford some slack. Apparently the reason they kept coming out of the huddle late was because not only was he calling the play, but he was also having to tell the FR players what to do on the play almost every time. One of the announcers on the post-game said he had a problem with Trickett's playing 3 FR side-by-side-by-side on the OL in what would be their first game. Daron Rose got killed by that Clemson DE on every play.

If the play in the 2nd half is more indicative of how they'll play the rest of the season, I'll be happy. I wasn't expecting 14-0 this season, but I sure expected better than that first half. And as much pressure as Clemson was getting, I still wish they'd have tried at least one series with Lee in there.
I've always thought Drew was (and still is) a bit of a fall guy for other team issues. Last night wasn't his fault because the O-Line killed him. Killed him. Give him a decent O Line and some more time and I think he can get it done. The only downside to Drew is that I don't think he has that intangible needed to be a playmaker. He may become reliable and serviceable but never a star or game-breaker.

I don't fault Trickett for playing FRs. If they are the best we have, then use them. I got into a tiff with some friends who are giving the team a pass based on the second half play. While I agree that the second half showed immense promise and improvement, being so unprepared and woeful the first half still really steams me.
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post #125 of 588
9/4/07 at 11:27am
I was in Beaver Stadium for the PSU-FI game and, by the third quarter, the Penn State faithful were cheering louder about the Michigan game than the blowout down on the field.

And how in God's name is Michigan still ranked in the AP top 5? I mean, we all know that the rankings are a joke, but seriously?
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post #126 of 588
9/4/07 at 11:35am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattioli
And how in God's name is Michigan still ranked in the AP top 5? I mean, we all know that the rankings are a joke, but seriously?
I don't think any updated rankings are out yet. Everything I've seen is identical to what they were last week.
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post #127 of 588
9/4/07 at 11:44am
Yeah, still no new rankings.
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post #128 of 588
9/4/07 at 11:54am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
I don't think any updated rankings are out yet. Everything I've seen is identical to what they were last week.
Yeah, that was a misread of SI's AP rankings. My bad.
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post #129 of 588
9/4/07 at 1:21pm
Weatherford looked like crap, but the o-line made him look like crap. I mean, come on. THREE guys rushed on the first play of the last drive and he still gets sacked? It's also not very good when you average 4.1 yards per passing attempt. He threw exactly one ball down the field.. a completion that got called back due to a penalty. I find it hard to feel for him.. but I do.
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post #130 of 588
9/4/07 at 1:30pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
NBC has got to be really thrilled to be showing that Michigan/Notre Dame game now.
Looks like Notre Dame hasn't won a bowl game in the last 14 years, and last won a national championship in 1988. They lost their QB and their best WR in the off-season. Yet, Notre Dame coverage is continuously jammed down our throats. Rutgers and Louisville are now more relevant than Notre Dame.

If Michigan remains in the top 25 in any poll, that poll=lost all credibility.
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post #131 of 588
9/4/07 at 1:37pm
I don't doubt that Michigan and Notre Dame have a national fan base that will tune in to any game involving their team, but is someone who is not a fan of either time going to be excited about a possible match-up of two 0-2 teams? There's no luster to this game now if you're not a fan of one of the teams.
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post #132 of 588
9/4/07 at 1:56pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Overlord
Rutgers and Louisville are now more relevant than Notre Dame.
For a lawyer, you're pretty bad with language. Those teams are better than Notre Dame, not more relevant. Saying as much shows an extraordinary amount of naivete. Your own post contradicts what you're trying to say.

You should be thankful about this, BTW. Because teams like ND and Michigan get coverage no matter what, teams like Cal only get noticed when they're good. A blowout to Tennessee and getting destroyed by Texas Tech after you whine about not being in the BCS gets forgotten the next day, so you don't have to face it in the national media every week.
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post #133 of 588
9/4/07 at 2:52pm
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...bad with language.
Well stated.

Michigan is the laughingstock of the entire football world. And will be for the indefinite future. The visages of Michigan fans as they watched the ass-whooping handed down to their squad, at home, to a Division 1-AA school, when they're ranked fifth nationally, are beyond priceless.

Notre Dame is a middling program with a disproportionately large fan base. In terms of National Championships and Bowl wins, they are irrelevant, have been for well over a decade, and look like they will continue to be so for years to come.

At least there is a silver lining: one of them won't be 0-3 in two weeks.
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post #134 of 588
9/4/07 at 3:23pm
Yet they're both more relevant than any other school out there.

Just deal with it. I don't understand why people care. ESPN isn't shoving ND down your throat - they're just a TV channel. If more people changed stations when they talked about ND, they would go away. However, the fact of the matter is, the reverse is the case (which makes them the exact opposite of irrelevant).
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post #135 of 588
9/4/07 at 3:28pm
By that logic, Paris Hilton and Lindsey Lohan are relevant.
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post #136 of 588
9/4/07 at 3:29pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
By that logic, Paris Hilton and Lindsey Lohan are relevant.
Exactly the analogy I was going to make (creepy).

USA Today poll is out:

1. USC (49) 1-0 1,486
2. LSU (4) 1-0 1,417
3. Florida (7) 1-0 1,341
4. West Virginia 1-0 1,275
5. Wisconsin 1-0 1,183
6. Oklahoma 1-0 1,146
7. Texas 1-0 1,136
8. Louisville 1-0 995
9. Virginia Tech 1-0 988
10. California 1-0 985
11. Ohio State 1-0 977
12. Georgia 1-0 796
13. Auburn 1-0 644
14. UCLA 1-0 607
15. Penn State 1-0 585
16. Rutgers 1-0 576
17. Nebraska 1-0 512
18. Arkansas 1-0 455
19. TCU 1-0 351
20. Boise State 1-0 315
21. Georgia Tech 1-0 311
22. Hawaii 1-0 269
23. Texas A&M 1-0 214
24. Tennessee 0-1 162
25. Boston College 1-0 153

It would appear that the Big 10 is not going to be punished en masse for the Michigan debacle. I was very surprised to see a good Tennessee squad sink that low and shocked to see VaTech continue to be ranked so highly.
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post #137 of 588
9/4/07 at 3:42pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Overlord
Exactly the analogy I was going to make (creepy).
Well, our avatars do have the whole light/dark duality thing going on.

Florida getting some first place votes kind of surprises me, since their defense didn't play as well as the score indicated.
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post #138 of 588
9/4/07 at 3:45pm
Looks like the freshman Clausen is starting for Notre Dame next week.
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post #139 of 588
9/4/07 at 3:47pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
By that logic, Paris Hilton and Lindsey Lohan are relevant.
Are you guys fucking kidding me? They are completely relevant in their respective arenas (pop culture). Are you saying they're NOT relevant? That being ubiquitous in the pop culture scene doesn't mean they're relevant to modern pop culture? What an awful analogy (that both of you came up with!).

Being good and being relevant represent different things. Anyone who denies the relevancy of ND and Michigan to college football loses all credibility to talk about it.
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post #140 of 588
9/4/07 at 4:00pm
Ubiquity does not equal relevance. Now, if you want to argue that Notre Dame and Michigan are relevant because they are storied programs with a history of success and that even in defeat they are compelling stories, that I have no problem with. But arguing that they're relevant because they're on TV a lot? Nope.
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post #141 of 588
9/4/07 at 4:09pm
They're on TV a lot because they're relevant, that's the fucking point. You're starting from B instead of A.
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post #142 of 588
9/4/07 at 4:30pm
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Originally Posted by Overlord
It would appear that the Big 10 is not going to be punished en masse for the Michigan debacle.
When I was at the bar watching that debacle, there was a moronic Penn State fan obnoxiously hooting and hollering every App State play. I kept thinking what a fucking idiot he was, how this was a loss the effects of which were going to be felt throughout the conference. Clearly it didn't happen this week in the polls, but I keep thinking ahead to what might happen if, say, Penn State is a BCS bubble team, or perhaps even knocking on the 1-2 door at the end of the year. Do they get the shaft? Could be. The Michigan loss does that much more damage to the already weak reputation of the conference, and the other teams might feel those effects at the end of the season.
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post #143 of 588
9/4/07 at 4:55pm
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Originally Posted by Jonathan Banks is my hero
When I was at the bar watching that debacle, there was a moronic Penn State fan obnoxiously hooting and hollering every App State play. I kept thinking what a fucking idiot he was, how this was a loss the effects of which were going to be felt throughout the conference. Clearly it didn't happen this week in the polls, but I keep thinking ahead to what might happen if, say, Penn State is a BCS bubble team, or perhaps even knocking on the 1-2 door at the end of the year. Do they get the shaft? Could be. The Michigan loss does that much more damage to the already weak reputation of the conference, and the other teams might feel those effects at the end of the season.
Tell me about it. It blew my mind that so many PSU fans were cheering App State. Doesn't it make more sense to cheer every Big 10 team unless they're playing PSU? I know it can't happen, but I'd prefer to see every Big 10 team enter their game against PSU undefeated. That way, it's all the more impressive if State wins. Oh well, people go with their guts (hell, my guts tell me to root against Ohio State in every game they play).
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post #144 of 588
9/4/07 at 5:51pm
AP poll is out. Not much of a difference:

1. USC (59) 1-0 1619 1
2. LSU (5) 1-0 1542 2
3. West Virginia (1) 1-0 1449 3
4. Florida 1-0 1346 6
5. Oklahoma 1-0 1275 8
5. Wisconsin 1-0 1275 7
7. Texas 1-0 1221 4
8. Louisville 1-0 1152 10
9. Virginia Tech 1-0 1085 9
10. California 1-0 1080 12
11. Georgia 1-0 959 13
12. Ohio State 1-0 940 11
13. UCLA 1-0 736 14
14. Penn State 1-0 662 17
15. Rutgers 1-0 659 16
16. Nebraska 1-0 541 20
17. Auburn 1-0 519 18
18. Arkansas 1-0 450 21
19. TCU 1-0 384 22
20. Hawaii 1-0 335 23
21. Georgia Tech 1-0 278 NR
22. Boise State 1-0 267 24
23. Texas A&M 1-0 217 25
24. Tennessee 0-1 210 15
25. Clemson 1-0 195 NR

In reference to the PSU fans mentioned above, it may be kind of fun to root for Michigan to be embarassed, but in the long run losses like that are conference killers. The Big 10 is actually being discussed as a "mid-major" conference on sports radio.
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post #145 of 588
9/4/07 at 5:56pm
Good to see Clemson get a little love. That was a good starting performance out of the gates last night.
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post #146 of 588
9/4/07 at 6:01pm
The SEC has six schools in the top 25. Wow.

I can never figure out Big 10 scheduling. Is Wisconsin actually going to be playing both Michigan and OSU this year?
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post #147 of 588
9/4/07 at 7:51pm
After giving this some thought, post WWII, in major U.S. team sports, these are the three biggest upsets I can think of:

1)The Miracle on Ice -- U.S. defeats Russia in Ice Hockey, 1980.

2)1982 -- Chaminade beats Virginia. Ralph Sampson's number one ranked Virginia, which had beaten Ewing's Georgetown and Phi Slamma Jamma, loses 77-72 to a Hawaiian school with a total enrollment of about 800 students. Virginia did have to fly across about half a dozen time zones.

3)Appalachian State 34. Michigan 32. I don't think we will see a top 25 team, let alone a top 5, lose to a division 1-AA school again in our lifetimes.

Michigan's loss is so stunning, I can't think of anything that is even close in the modern history of college football. Temple v. V. Tech in 1998? Not really. Miami v. OSU a few years back? No way. There are some crazy upsets being bandied about in the 20s and 30s, but I don't know anything in the modern era that even comes close. They'd better make this game available on DVD.

**this guy has the Mich. v. OSU loss third all-time. Huh? http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/7180390
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post #148 of 588
9/4/07 at 8:10pm
The thing with your top two, which I've seen mentioned elsewhere, is that the US hockey team and Chaminade, however much of an underdog each was, had the home field advantage. ASU went to the supposedly impenetrable Big House and won in front of 109,000 screaming fans. That alone puts it at #1 in my book.
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post #149 of 588
9/4/07 at 8:15pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
The thing with your top two, which I've seen mentioned elsewhere, is that the US hockey team and Chaminade, however much of an underdog each was, had the home field advantage. ASU went to the supposedly impenetrable Big House and won in front of 109,000 screaming fans. That alone puts it at #1 in my book.
Well, I did mention that Virginia flew halfway around the world.

It's a close call. I'll have to think on this. In any event, I can't think of anything else in the history of football that's comparable. What kind of odds would you have demanded before you'd place a $1000 bet on Appalachian State to win? I don't think I'd do it even if you gave me a million to one. The only way I'd think Appalachian State could win would be if Michigan managed to get half it's team kicked out, or was otherwise DQ'ed.
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post #150 of 588
9/4/07 at 8:17pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
ASU went to the supposedly impenetrable Big House and won in front of 109,000 screaming fans.
Keep in mind I'm not arguing against the weight of the upset here, but I have to take issue with the "supposedly impenetrable" part. The "Big House" is just a marketing ploy. The stadium has never been one of those places with an innate advantage, like Texas A&M or Florida or LSU. It's actually remarkably quiet given the amount of people there, because 1) they're Michigan fans, so most of them are snotty and indifferent, and 2) the physical layout of the stadium keeps it from staying unbearably loud. Bob Griese said something similar in one of the other game telecasts on Saturday. It's never been a particularly difficult place for visiting teams to play.
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