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Wolverine #50

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Jeph Loeb's contribution to the Wolverine mythos has arrived today, and it was intermittently entertaining and a complete sock to the face (in a bad way). The art is fantastic (the Simone Bianchi part, at least), but the story pretty much is the usual 'Wolverine and Sabretooth battle once and for all!' all over again.

What's been revealed so far is that not only did Sabretooth kill Silver Fox, he apparently raped her too. Unless I'm mistaken, this wasn't the case before and it seems a tad unnecessary to me. Another thing is we keep seeing Wolverine having memories or dreams or some damn thing of these silly beasts constantly tearing each other apart...hmmm...perhaps they are Wolverine and Sabretooth in an earlier form? Fucking stupid.

One thing I noticed that was prevalent throughout the book, especially in the back-up story with the Hulk was apparently Wolverine not only hates Canada, but from the way he was talking may very well never have been born there in the first place. Thanks for that imaginative change, Mr. Loeb.

I really do wonder how the fuck Loeb keeps getting work, and I can't help but think he'll pitch a shit story and editorial will go "No fuckin' way." and he'll start crying. A staffer will lean in to the editor who told him no and whisper "His son is dead!" and the editor will quickly change his tune to keep Loeb from flooding his office with tears.

That was terribly harsh, but I loathe Loeb's work so much and his smug "I know everything." attitude in interviews when he clearly has no understanding of the medium, let alone the basic concepts of storytelling. The fact that he appears to let his own prejudices alter the voice of a once proudly Canadian character is just the cherry on top.

I completely forgot...if you have the issue handy, on page 22 of the colour version, in the first panel, Wolverine is clearly carrying the topless corpse of Silver Fox through the street. Not that I give a shit, but somebody's bound to see it and freak the hell out.
post #2 of 15
So then it's good, yeah?
post #3 of 15
I read this right after I finished CW: The Return.

The only thing that really stood out to me was the lower page count amid the split story. I felt like I feel into a portal and landed in a DC Comic from the Late 70s/Early 80s.

The Return was setup the same way too, which causes me to wonder if it this is way of the future for Marvel.

Other than that, it was a nice reference point to Wolverine Vol. 1 Issue 10. A good Wolvie vs. Sabertooth fight drawn by John Buscema. Man, I miss that guy.
post #4 of 15
I haven't read much of his other work, but I fail to see how the man who brought us two of the best post-80's Batman stories, THE LONG HALLOWEEN and DARK VICTORY, could possibly be accused of having no concept of storytelling.
post #5 of 15
The fuck was up with the two page spread of McGuinness doing a recap of the perpetually late Ultimate Hulk vs Wolverine "mini-series"? Was Loeb poking fun at that book? Calling it a nightmare? Throwin' dirt at his old co-worker, the worthless Damon Lindelof?
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Originally Posted by Steerpike
I haven't read much of his other work, but I fail to see how the man who brought us two of the best post-80's Batman stories, THE LONG HALLOWEEN and DARK VICTORY, could possibly be accused of having no concept of storytelling.
'Cause those stories had a poor use of pretty much every character involved? I'll argue this point 'til I'm blue in the face.

EDIT: Forgot to mention his garbage Superman/Batman work. I appreciate fun, fast, and loose comics, but not when they're that bad.
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Originally Posted by MikeShaynePI
The fuck was up with the two page spread of McGuinness doing a recap of the perpetually late Ultimate Hulk vs Wolverine "mini-series"? Was Loeb poking fun at that book? Calling it a nightmare? Throwin' dirt at his old co-worker, the worthless Damon Lindelof?
Loeb seems hostile in this book, considering the Canada-bashing, which comes FROM A CANADIAN CHARACTER. It really fuckin' pissed me off, that shit. What the fuck? Suddenly Wolverine hates his heritage? He used to explicitly point out he was a Canadian any time anybody called him an American. Yeah, he really hates his roots. Fuck Loeb.

EDIT: Thought I'd mention that I did actually like the Sabretooth story, but the parts with those monsters were fuckin' lame considering we all know they're going to lead to some stupid revelation in issue 5 or 6.
post #8 of 15
I liked Daredevil: Yellow, but I'm not a big fan of his other work.

I remember the Batman/Superman story he did that re-introduced Supergirl. There were so many plot-holes and continuity errors. I'm not normally the kind of guy who really cares about continuity, but it was just ignoring a lot of writers work.
post #9 of 15
What Loeb is doing with those creatures isn't even original to the Wolverine mythos. In the Earth X universe it was revealed that Logan wasn't a mutant, but part of a completely different species than humans that originated in prehistoric times. And after that it was the same old Wolverine vs Sabertooth battle we've seen a hundred times.

I'm sort of happy this book sucks. I want it to be horribly received, and end up being incredibly late in the next issues. It'll be a patern that I'd like to see continue into the other 40 books Loeb is writing for Marvel this year (which Onslaught Reborn already started) and that he finally stops stinking up comic book stores. I mean this is the same guy who wrote Long Halloween and For All Seasons? It just can't be. Though there was the constant worthless inner monologue in those books too, just like there are in everything Loeb writes, but they weren't as tired back then when he was fresher.
post #10 of 15
I just remembered that this is the guy that wrote HUSH.

I withdraw my defense. Fuck Loeb.
post #11 of 15
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Originally Posted by MikeShaynePI
I'm sort of happy this book sucks. I want it to be horribly received, and end up being incredibly late in the next issues. It'll be a patern that I'd like to see continue into the other 40 books Loeb is writing for Marvel this year (which Onslaught Reborn already started) and that he finally stops stinking up comic book stores.
Pretty sure Liefield is the reason Onslaught Reborn is late. Fuck 'em both. They're both hacks that people seem to love for some reason. They probably lack oxygen to their brains.

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I just remembered that this is the guy that wrote HUSH.

I withdraw my defense. Fuck Loeb.
Grrr! I completely forgot about Hush! Thanks for reminding me.

Fuck that was a pile of shit.
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Pretty sure Liefield is the reason Onslaught Reborn is late.
I didn't say it was Loeb's fault it was late. I know its Liefeld's. And its only the beginning since Loeb is teamed up with the most perpetually late artists in the industry on every one of his titles. After his smack talking about DC, and how he ran to Marvel before his other titles were even finished, I'd like to see his failure. Oh, and his tv writing fucking sucks. If an episode of HEROES says written by Jeph Loeb its guaranteed to suck.
post #13 of 15
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Originally Posted by MikeShaynePI
I didn't say it was Loeb's fault it was late. I know its Liefeld's. And its only the beginning since Loeb is teamed up with the most perpetually late artists in the industry on every one of his titles. After his smack talking about DC, and how he ran to Marvel before his other titles were even finished, I'd like to see his failure. Oh, and his tv writing fucking sucks. If an episode of HEROES says written by Jeph Loeb its guaranteed to suck.
You're responding as if I was defending Loeb's talents. Look above...I ream him harder than anyone.

Anyway, your post made it seem like Loeb himself was responsible for his titles being late.
post #14 of 15
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Originally Posted by Smeagol
Anyway, your post made it seem like Loeb himself was responsible for his titles being late.
I'm pretty sure there was work of his at DC where it was his fault. People kept defending him saying "his son just died" which they'd continue to use more than a year after it happened. Meanwhile he was working on Smallville or Lost and making deals with Marvel rather than getting the script to McGuinness or whoever so they could take 6 months or so to pencil 22 pages.
post #15 of 15
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Originally Posted by MikeShaynePI
I'm pretty sure there was work of his at DC where it was his fault. People kept defending him saying "his son just died" which they'd continue to use more than a year after it happened. Meanwhile he was working on Smallville or Lost and making deals with Marvel rather than getting the script to McGuinness or whoever so they could take 6 months or so to pencil 22 pages.
Jesus. Fucking pathetic. I can't believe this is how the industry operates.
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