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Why the Infatuation With Zombies?

post #1 of 20
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Let me preface this by saying there's probably nothing that will get me to see a movie (or, lately, read a novel) faster than to tell me it's got zombies in it. A good friend of mine has said repeatedly that if he was given enough money he'd make "Zombies, Dinosaurs and a Bag of Cash", starring Christopher Walken as the mad scientist that starts the zombie plague. It always sounded like it'd be the perfect movie to me. And the original DoTD is one of my favorite (real) movies of all time.

And I'm not the only one. There has been a steady surge in popularity in this sub-genre since George Romero's "Dead" movies attained their cult and popular success. My brother doesn't read much, but he's started on a zombie book kick lately, and loaned me a slew of books ("World War Z", "The Rising", "Autumn", "Monster Island", for starters), and has a whole slew on his "to read" list that he's gonna pass off when he's done. Little else could get him reading anything, but zombies did the trick. The number of books on this subject is pretty impressive (shocklines.com has an entire "breakout category" for it, there's that many).

And of course, there's tons of movies, of widely varying quality, about zombies. The aforementioned Romero classics and their remakes, "Zombie", the "Return of the Living Dead" franchise, "Shaun of the Dead", "28 Days Later" (arguably), and so on. Many of these films have been hugely successful. And the zombies were probably the only thing good about those dreadful "Resident Evil" and "House of the Dead" movies.

Obviously, something about zombies resonates with not just us hard core horror fans, but with the moviegoing (and maybe the reading) public as well. I'm curious as to your thoughts as to what it is about the flesh eating undead that we love so much.

I can't quite put my finger on it; I mean, these (typically) shambling, mindless, slow moving creatures are hardly the sort of villain that inspires dread as representatives of pure evil like, say, Hannibal Lecter does. And they're relatively easily dispatched as individuals; you don't need a wooden stake, silver bullet or crucifix (although they'll all work, used correctly). Just cause enough damage to their heads, and that usually does the trick. So they don't have indestructibility or toughness going for them. They look basically human (unless they were seriously injured or decomposed before they died), so a horrific appearance usually isn't it, either.

Is it the sheer numbers? Most of the zombie films and books mentioned above posit a world taken over by the undead, with small pockets of human survivors fighting back from the brink, w/ varying degrees of sucess. Is it the inevitability of their getting the protoganists that their vast numbers imply that creeps us out? Is it the horror of being eaten alive (the zombie's preferred method of execution)? Or the fact that the disease is typically spread by the zombie's bite? One bite and you're done for is a pretty horrifying concept.

After thinking bout it, I think for many (surely not all) of us, probably for me, it's the promise of gore & violence in the book or film. I went to bar in NYC w/ a gothic horror theme to the decor (Some of you may know it and its sister pubs; it's called Jekyll and Hyde), that had a TV w/ a DVD player hooked up to it behind the bar, and they played gory horror movies w/ the sound off all night long. DoTD was one of them, and I thought this was a pefect film for that application because of the almost constant visual gore effects in that film. That's probably, I confess, one of the main reasons I love the film so much myself (I am an avowed gorehound). I think zombies, being no longer human, give the filmmaker license to do violence to them; it's OK to kill these things. And since head trauma is the only way to accomplish this goal, and zombies eat those they kill (often whilw they're still alive - for awhile at least) you're gonna see some good gore. So that's probably why I like 'em so much.

But I figure there's gotta be more to it that I'm not seeing. What do you guys think?
post #2 of 20
You know, zombies were in the movies long before Romero came along. Check out classics like I Walked with a Zombie (Tourneur, 1943), The Devil-Doll (Browning, 1936) or even White Zombie (Halperin, 1932) if you don't believe me.

With regard to your question, perhaps their popularity has something to do with the aspect of lost humanity embodied by the zombie. With regard to the Romero films in particular, we are treated to these beings mindlessly repeating their old routines. However, they have no soul, and as a result, they show what the world would be like if we had no conscience, thought or reflection. And it's sad.

That, and the zombie half-head rolling across the floor to end up flat-side down, blinking.
post #3 of 20
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Originally Posted by IggytheBorg
A good friend of mine has said repeatedly that if he was given enough money he'd make "Zombies, Dinosaurs and a Bag of Cash", starring Christopher Walken as the mad scientist that starts the zombie plague.
My god, I'd be there opening day.

I think part of the allure of zombies (especially swarms) is that they're blanks on which we can project our fears. They are groups of mindless undead automatons with a single purpose, and they can be used as symbols of any such group of zealots. I've heard that the zombies in Night of the Living Dead were supposed to represent hippies (not sure if this is true), in Dawn they were unthinking consumers, etc. But they can also be pro-war Bible thumpers, militant environmentalists, etc. Any scary group of people that can't be reasoned with and want to hurt you.
post #4 of 20
I think the "last man on earth" aspect is something most people can identify with. Society coming down on you all at once, and relentlessly pursuing you, not letting up 'til you're dead. Also I think the fact that many of these movies have the characters facing life or death against a best friend or family member makes it all the more chilling. Having to use a tire iron to brain an eight year old that's trying to eat your face...Horrifying. Having to commit serious head trauma on your own child...seriously fucktup. Oh yeah, and the fact that you can become a soulless monster yourself can be unnerving.
post #5 of 20
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Originally Posted by Gabriel Williams
You know, zombies were in the movies long before Romero came along. Check out classics like I Walked with a Zombie (Tourneur, 1943), The Devil-Doll (Browning, 1936) or even White Zombie (Halperin, 1932) if you don't believe me.

That, and the zombie half-head rolling across the floor to end up flat-side down, blinking.
Oh, I believe you. I have to confess the only old zombie movie I saw was "Revolt of the Zombies", which dates from the 30's, but I know OF the others you mention (& have plans to see some of them soon; they are on an anthology of old horror movies I got for X-Mas). I guess I should have specified "the recent" zombie craze. I think it's fair to say that while they did form the basis for older films like these, they never caught on like vampires or werewolves did at the timw (1930's - 40's). The zombie didn't REALLY catch on until at least the 70's, and I think their popularity has been growing ever since. Again, I'm not sure why other than the promise of gore, but I think the main differences are a) the older movie zombies were usually created by voodoo or some similar magic, & b) they didn't eat people, they just kind of existed in a horrible soulless half life, eternally enslaved to their creators, that the hero was always horrified by & threatened with, and that was the films' main scare device, as opposed to the world being overrun by savage, unthinking & uncontrollable undead. That's the zombie film/book/craze I had in mind.

Oh, and the flat head roll was one of my all time favorite decapitation scenes. most inventive use of a shovel ever.
post #6 of 20
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Originally Posted by nekkerbee
My god, I'd be there opening day.
Hee hee. Me, too. Prof. Walken would, apparently, enlist the heroes' aid in retrieving the bag of cash, which got left behind in his laboratory when he had to make a mad dash to escape the zombies & dinosaurs:

"In all the confusion. . . I lost a bago'cash. If you fellas help me retrieve it, you can have . . . say. . . HALF."
post #7 of 20
Just a few quick thoughts (I'll be back later... busy day):

- Cannibalism is a pretty socially taboo and unacceptable practice.
- We as humans are hardwired to fear death & disease. They also obviously conjure up thoughts of decay and apocalyptical scenarios.
- There's no perceived glamour associated with turning into a zombie (VS a vampire). It's pretty hopeless. Not only are you dead & separated from the life you led, but you are also a threat to your loved ones.
- They may have indeed been your family, friends, neighbors, co-workers, etc.
- You can't negogiate with zombies.
- They multiple quickly in gregarious (humans are social animals) areas.
- They're ugly.

All these things mentioned makes them one of the scariest movie "monsters". It took me till my college years (and many hours of Res Evil playing) to be able to overcome my fear enough to watch all the zombie movies I avoided before.
* More later.
post #8 of 20
Nothing is scarier to me than the sudden awareness that you will die. Drowning scenes, for instances, are one of the only things that genuinely scare me in movies. Zomibes are similar becuase they're nearly impossible to resist. They move in large numbers. They can't be wounded. Anyone can become one. Knowing that they will get you eventually is the scary part. Also, if I may borrow from Alan Grant, "you are alive when they start to eat you."
post #9 of 20
For me, the zombie allure is simple: As a society, we're all terrified of death and dying. Zombies are literally that fear personified- they're walking death.

Sure, there are many ancillary reasons (Darkmite did a great job of, er, fleshing them out), but that core death fear is what makes zombies so great.
post #10 of 20
Screw the death and dying thing. Zombie movies resonate because we face scenes like that every single day. Go sit in your local licence bureau and tell me you didn't feel beset by shambling undead bent on your eternal destruction. Same with about any government office. Or meetings at work. Or the freakin' PTA moms.

The living dead. The lot of them.
post #11 of 20
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Originally Posted by teledork
Screw the death and dying thing. Zombie movies resonate because we face scenes like that every single day. Go sit in your local licence bureau and tell me you didn't feel beset by shambling undead bent on your eternal destruction. Same with about any government office. Or meetings at work. Or the freakin' PTA moms.

The living dead. The lot of them.
I'm not so much frightened as I am annoyed and bored at the DMV.
post #12 of 20
As for the current glut of zombie-themed media, remember, horror movies often tap into a lot of people's unspoken fears or concerns at the time they're made.

So I've always felt that the modern zombie movie comes from the filmmakers looking at the state of the world and America, seeing as how the country's been hijacked by a bunch of feckless thugs and criminals and most of the populace is content to watch "American Idol", I think that might have something to do with it.
post #13 of 20
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feckless thugs
If I ever start up another band, I already have the name. Thanks, RB.

And Minsky....my point being that movies amp up our fears or experiences most often. The soul-grinding element of being in those situations with those sorts of people...amped up...lead to a connection with the masses of shambling undead besetting the beloved Winchester Pub.

Or something like that. I have a new band name to go chortle over now.
post #14 of 20
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Originally Posted by teledork
If I ever start up another band, I already have the name. Thanks, RB.

And Minsky....my point being that movies amp up our fears or experiences most often. The soul-grinding element of being in those situations with those sorts of people...amped up...lead to a connection with the masses of shambling undead besetting the beloved Winchester Pub.

Or something like that. I have a new band name to go chortle over now.
No, I agree with you- there are a lot of reasons why filmmakers use the Z. They're rife with potential social commentary. The social commentary adds little to their impact as a horror device, though.

If anything, Shaun of the Dead's "Oh look, the zombies act just like we do" winking made the creatures less effective as horror devices, although it made the film a lot funnier.
post #15 of 20
I find zombies an effective combination of comedy and horror.
This appeals.
post #16 of 20
I like zombie movies because of the survival aspect. Your facing impossible
odds of wave after wave of the walking dead.
post #17 of 20
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[QUOTE=RathBandu]As for the current glut of zombie-themed media. . . /QUOTE]

I wouldn't call it a glut, myself. Glut implies you don't like it. I never said there was anything wrong with this trend. . . .
post #18 of 20
There was nothing good about House of the Dead or Resident Evil.
post #19 of 20
Here's a little known fact, House of the Dead is the leading cause of juvenile onset diabetes.
post #20 of 20
Zombie movies are like the ultimate Western or War movies-- endless "bad guys." Plus of course you got the horror/sci-fi/comedy aspects of it-- they are the ultimate genre mixes. And when you throw in the state of endless world war we are in, you can see how they become even more popular.
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