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Barack Obama '08: "There is power in hope."

post #1 of 70
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His speech was powerful and moving. He is the kind of candidate that can inspire people who have never voted to take a chance on him. It's so hopeful it brought tears to my eyes. I really think Obama is a man who can stem the awful deterioration of American culture, education and politics.

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Let me begin by saying thanks to all you who've traveled, from far and wide, to brave the cold today.

We all made this journey for a reason. It's humbling, but in my heart I know you didn't come here just for me, you came here because you believe in what this country can be. In the face of war, you believe there can be peace. In the face of despair, you believe there can be hope. In the face of a politics that's shut you out, that's told you to settle, that's divided us for too long, you believe we can be one people, reaching for what's possible, building that more perfect union.

That's the journey we're on today. But let me tell you how I came to be here. As most of you know, I am not a native of this great state. I moved to Illinois over two decades ago. I was a young man then, just a year out of college; I knew no one in Chicago, was without money or family connections. But a group of churches had offered me a job as a community organizer for $13,000 a year. And I accepted the job, sight unseen, motivated then by a single, simple, powerful idea - that I might play a small part in building a better America.

My work took me to some of Chicago's poorest neighborhoods. I joined with pastors and lay-people to deal with communities that had been ravaged by plant closings. I saw that the problems people faced weren't simply local in nature - that the decision to close a steel mill was made by distant executives; that the lack of textbooks and computers in schools could be traced to the skewed priorities of politicians a thousand miles away; and that when a child turns to violence, there's a hole in his heart no government could ever fill.

It was in these neighborhoods that I received the best education I ever had, and where I learned the true meaning of my Christian faith.

After three years of this work, I went to law school, because I wanted to understand how the law should work for those in need. I became a civil rights lawyer, and taught constitutional law, and after a time, I came to understand that our cherished rights of liberty and equality depend on the active participation of an awakened electorate. It was with these ideas in mind that I arrived in this capital city as a state Senator.

It was here, in Springfield, where I saw all that is America converge - farmers and teachers, businessmen and laborers, all of them with a story to tell, all of them seeking a seat at the table, all of them clamoring to be heard. I made lasting friendships here - friends that I see in the audience today.

It was here we learned to disagree without being disagreeable - that it's possible to compromise so long as you know those principles that can never be compromised; and that so long as we're willing to listen to each other, we can assume the best in people instead of the worst.

That's why we were able to reform a death penalty system that was broken. That's why we were able to give health insurance to children in need. That's why we made the tax system more fair and just for working families, and that's why we passed ethics reforms that the cynics said could never, ever be passed.

It was here, in Springfield, where North, South, East and West come together that I was reminded of the essential decency of the American people - where I came to believe that through this decency, we can build a more hopeful America.

And that is why, in the shadow of the Old State Capitol, where Lincoln once called on a divided house to stand together, where common hopes and common dreams still, I stand before you today to announce my candidacy for President of the United States.
Read the complete transcript (or watch the video, which is incredible), here: http://www.barackobama.com/#
post #2 of 70
Too bad he's black.
post #3 of 70
Tucker Carlson is already suggesting that Obama's church is "too black" and "not really Christian".

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/47884/
post #4 of 70
Watched it live this morning and was grinning from ear to ear. I've been keeping an "eagle eye" on him, and so far so good. Very, very good.
post #5 of 70
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer
Tucker Carlson is already suggesting that Obama's church is "too black" and "not really Christian".

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/47884/
He missed the "Christian enough" mark by 2 mentions...if he'd only talked about his work for the church twice more...

Oh well...
post #6 of 70
Volunteered for the thing and got to see the tail end of his speech in person. I tell you you what, the man had me convinced. I felt as if I was watching history in the making, the magic that happened when watching Denzel do Malcolm and the real Malcolm speeches. It was exiting and weird in the extent that democrats booed the governor when he tried to give support. BTW I heard folks from Hollywood were there who were they?

EDIT: Oh, and might I add it was cold about 10 degrees with negative 2 wind chill. Even hand warmers and the sun weren't enough.
post #7 of 70
He cannot win. American 2007/2008 is not ready for a President named Barack Obama. Nor a black President, unless it's Morgan Freeman. He may be the best candidate since sliced bread, but his name and color will keep him from winning.

Also, I wouldn't bet on him getting the nomination. Hillary will play for keeps and once her machine gets going she'll eat him alive.

JS
post #8 of 70
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Originally Posted by JudgeSmails
He cannot win. American 2007/2008 is not ready for a President named Barack Obama. Nor a black President, unless it's Morgan Freeman. He may be the best candidate since sliced bread, but his name and color will keep him from winning.

Also, I wouldn't bet on him getting the nomination. Hillary will play for keeps and once her machine gets going she'll eat him alive.

JS
You may be right, you may be wrong. I don't really know...I don't think any of us do. We've never seen a legit minority presidential candidate, so we don't know how it will play out.

The thing about Barack Obama is that he makes me want to vote for him because he makes me believe in an America that WOULD vote for him. It's been a long time since I felt the stirring of patriotism in my heart, but he does it for me. I hope he can do it for enough people that he manages to win.
post #9 of 70
Fantastic speech, and to tell you the truth, what I was thinking throughout most of it was "Bartlet lives." I know that's stupid to say, but for much of my adult life, 'The West Wing' has really represented all that politics and public service can be better than any politician I saw on CNN.

This was the part of his speech that got to me:

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The genius of our founders is that they designed a system of government that can be changed. And we should take heart, because we've changed this country before. In the face of tyranny, a band of patriots brought an Empire to its knees. In the face of secession, we unified a nation and set the captives free. In the face of Depression, we put people back to work and lifted millions out of poverty. We welcomed immigrants to our shores, we opened railroads to the west, we landed a man on the moon, and we heard a King's call to let justice roll down like water, and righteousness like a mighty stream.

Each and every time, a new generation has risen up and done what's needed to be done. Today we are called once more - and it is time for our generation to answer that call.

For that is our unyielding faith - that in the face of impossible odds, people who love their country can change it.
For the first time in a long time, there is a politician, a candidate for President -- Senator Obama -- who makes you believe in all that. He makes me want to live up to the goals he set for himself and for Americans in his speech, and that all those things Aaron Sorkin was trying to tell us wasn't just bullshit or something to keep us entertained.

I've spent most of the day messing around with Sen. Obama's personal networking site, and I think that this is the start of an awesome adventure for me. I'll be doing whatever I can to help his campaign, and this will be the first time I've done so for a Presidential candiate. I cannot wait. I believe now, as I did back when my friends and I joked that the only thing getting us through the days after November 2nd, 2004 were the words "President Obama," that he has the potential to make history. He's going all the way.
post #10 of 70
As someone who is constantly depressed, and upset by our nation's politics, Obama's words truly do inspire. The cynic in me says who knows how sincere he really is, but I'll be damned if he doesn't say all the right things. And I mean all of them. He touches upon my anxieties with such confidence and eloquence, that he makes me a believer in our country and the possibility of progress. I think we're witnessing the birth of something special and I for one can't fucking wait to see what comes of it.
post #11 of 70
The true power of Obama's speeches can be seen at the DNC Winter Meeting video--he gets up there and truly inspires, and is followed by Edwards and Hillary, and both of them just feel fake and disingenuous. Especially Hillary, who, I shit you not, went to the podium and kicked off her address by saying "My name is Hillary Clinton and I'm running for President." Maybe it's just me, but that's a very eerie case of life imitating art.
post #12 of 70
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Originally Posted by RathBandu
I've spent most of the day messing around with Sen. Obama's personal networking site, and I think that this is the start of an awesome adventure for me. I'll be doing whatever I can to help his campaign, and this will be the first time I've done so for a Presidential candiate. I cannot wait. I believe now, as I did back when my friends and I joked that the only thing getting us through the days after November 2nd, 2004 were the words "President Obama," that he has the potential to make history. He's going all the way.
I just checked out the site, and signed up. I can't believe I just volunteered to help a political campaign. But I'm happy I did.
post #13 of 70
Oh my god...this man is going to lift us all up in a way all of us knows that god himself cannot! Thank goodness for men like him who assure us of their good intentions in bidding for the use of the hugest monopoly of overwhelming violence, the US government!

And if only the children who wept at Stalin's funeral could have realized how much better things would have been under Trotsky.
post #14 of 70
Yeah, holy shit, he's an optimist. How enlightening of you. My opinion is totally changed. How dare he believe the country has a fighting chance?
post #15 of 70
You guys should know that it seems like there are still bugs that are being worked out on the MyBarackObama site, by the by.

And yeah, I'm surprised it took us to post 13 before the negative nancy-ing started.
post #16 of 70
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Originally Posted by Angelo Mike
Oh my god...this man is going to lift us all up in a way all of us knows that god himself cannot! Thank goodness for men like him who assure us of their good intentions in bidding for the use of the hugest monopoly of overwhelming violence, the US government!

And if only the children who wept at Stalin's funeral could have realized how much better things would have been under Trotsky.
Fuck off dude. You could question his sincerity without posing such a malicious analogy.
post #17 of 70
I think Clinton, Edwards, Biden and the rest of the Dems are in trouble once they are in the same room debating Obama. He really only has 2 legit rivals in Edwads and Clinton and those two come off as so disingenuous by comparison. I can't wait till that meeting.

The speech was great, moving and inspiring. He can almost make you forget cynacism. I hope he gets the nomination because if Clinton does it will be just more of the same.

Now the dirt will start to fly. I've heard the Fox madrasa story came from the Clinton camp. Hopefully Obama won't stoop to that level.

Highly reccomend watching the speech.
post #18 of 70
I'd vote for the man. He makes me want to believe we can be "America" again. And I don't care if he's purple, green, or yellow with little red speckles, the man can speak, has a vision and makes me want to believe in what he's talking about.
post #19 of 70
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel
Now the dirt will start to fly. I've heard the Fox madrasa story came from the Clinton camp. Hopefully Obama won't stoop to that level.
I don't think he would. You should have been here for the campaign against Allan Keyes. He didn't have any negative messages, didn't bring up that the cat wasn't from Illinois and only there for big name publicity. He kept it simple and clean, focused on issues, and toured practically all four corners of the state then after he won went back and thanked everyone, in person. The man is a class act. Hillary I don't trust never could, she comes off as frigid and high all mighty. I think a great one two punch for the Dem ticket would be anything with Al Gore, not only does he have experience and foresight, although choosing Lieberman as a running mate doesn't count, but he has gotten looser out of office. Maybe his ideas could still bring great change to what has been a decade in which class has gone out the window.
post #20 of 70
It seems to me that getting the nomination is actually going to be harder for him than winning the election. Call me crazy.
post #21 of 70
Just ordered myself a t-shirt. It's so weird to support a politician.
post #22 of 70
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Originally Posted by The Prankster
It seems to me that getting the nomination is actually going to be harder for him than winning the election. Call me crazy.
Hey, nice member text!

My feeling with Sen. Obama getting the nomination is that, barring a late entry by Al Gore, it will probably come down to him and Sen. Clinton. I have this sort of sinking pit in my stomach that Sen. Clinton's not going to drop out of the race until she absolutely, 110 percent has to -- she's proven herself to be too stubborn and tenacious for that. If she's even got more than a small shot after the primaries, I could see this being one of the first nominations in years that's decided at the convention.
post #23 of 70
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Originally Posted by Jacob Singer
Tucker Carlson is already suggesting that Obama's church is "too black" and "not really Christian".

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/47884/
I would suggest that Tucker Carlson is "a dick".
post #24 of 70
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Originally Posted by RathBandu
Hey, nice member text!
Yeah, I read that somewhere. In Moby Dick or something.

I have to confess I don't really know how the nominations play out, not being American. But I always have this dread that it seems to be decided in smoke-clogged backrooms by cigar-chomping fat cats and white-haired losers whose soul has been devoured by the Machine such that they actively fear good decisions. Similar to the Academy Awards nominations. I mean, these are the people who picked Kerry over Dean, a man who seemed like a freight train until the last minute. How did that happen?
post #25 of 70
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Originally Posted by The Prankster
I mean, these are the people who picked Kerry over Dean, a man who seemed like a freight train until the last minute. How did that happen?
One simple word. YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH.
post #26 of 70
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Originally Posted by B_MetalSucks
One simple word. YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH.
The scream came AFTER he lost the Iowa caucus.
post #27 of 70
I was very moved by his speech yesterday. It literaly sent chills up and down my spine. It was almost revolutionary, hos words. However, I was wowed by Bushes "Lets go to war speech" years ago, and even though I voted Independent because there wasn't a candidate in either majority parties, I still regret boasting about his speech making capabilities. I'd like to see Obama debate first see some of his background work. Can you guys do me a favor and send me a link to his website so that I can read up a little on him. After his speech I will be looking at him very closely. If he isn't full of shit he has my vote. If he can keep his decisions strictly political rather then flipping open the bible and pointing his finger at a specific word and drawing some conclusion from it (like the asshole we have in office now) then he has my vote.
post #28 of 70
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel
I've heard the Fox madrasa story came from the Clinton camp. Hopefully Obama won't stoop to that level.
I think your first mistake is thinking anything Fox says is true. The whole madrasa story came from right-wing sources and the "rumor" that it originated from Hillary's camp has been debunked. I'm not in Hillary's camp, but I can't stand this story. More racism dressed up as "news".
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post #30 of 70
Obama Bin Laden came out of hiding...and is running for President of the U.S.? What a country!
post #31 of 70
Obama is just not doing it for me. It seems like he only talks in these general platitudes about fixing America without actually saying anything. At least Edwards is more of a known quantity (and much of what he talks about I heartily agree with). And the fact that he spent much of his time abroad since the 2004 election in humanitarian causes like raising awareness of refugee camps in Uganda makes him a more attractive candidate to me. Obama talks endlessly about compromise and unity. But if you want to measure the amount of good a politician can do, you listen to how loud the idiots and bigots in our nation kick and scream.
post #32 of 70
Obama's the only Senator to step up to the plate and offer a clear cut and plausible alternate plan for handling Iraq. Everyone else is too piss-scared with party lines and non-binding resolutions. The guy's the real deal.
post #33 of 70
I also think that while Senator Obama's been a public figure since the 2004 DNC, a lot of the details of what he's been doing in the Senate and his plans for the country are known only to people who watch C-SPAN -- Time and Newsweek haven't really offered a blow-by-blow account of what he's been doing and what he stands for in the detail as, say, Harper's Monthly did (I'm speaking in generalities here.)

I felt his speech yesterday did an excellent job of telling you who he was, what he stood for, what needs to change, and some brief ideas on how those things can change. Obviously, the challenge over the next eighteen months is to see how well he expands upon those ideas in his stump speeches and campaigning. Iraq's a big priority for me, but the issues that I care most about are health care, education, voting rights, free speech, and the separation of church and state. He mentioned the first three in his speech yesterday and he talks about voting rights and faith in politics on his website. I'm excited to hear him speak about all of them in more detail.
post #34 of 70
He stands for nothing. He has no solid policy stances beyond general soundbites. He limits access by the press in a big way so that he doesn't have to take a stand on any issue yet. He's got a great smile and nice speech, but he's an empty suit.
post #35 of 70
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Originally Posted by devincf
He stands for nothing. He has no solid policy stances beyond general soundbites. He limits access by the press in a big way so that he doesn't have to take a stand on any issue yet. He's got a great smile and nice speech, but he's an empty suit.
Speaking out against the war in 2002, a stance he holds today, is solid. I think a great leader (with apologies to Walt Whitman) takes in all sides and filters it from himself. What should he stand for? A perfect example of standing for something is George Bush. He has taken his stance and held it. As people said in the 2004 election, "at least he stands for something." That unbending, unswerving, impenetrable stance has drilled this country into the ground. The things I would hope for a president to stand for - honesty, intelligence, compassion, integrity -- these qualities Obama seems to have in abundance. What would you have him stand for? This country is in a crisis in every sector. What it needs is someone to lead the charge in sorting it all out and moving forward.
post #36 of 70
He has liberal policy ideas but he tends to downplay the specifics because what plays to the masses is more inspirational. He's for withdrawal and picked a date for redeployment. But he's always been subdued in his rhetoric. I certainly don't agree with him on all the issues (I don't think his Iraqw plan is the best for example,) but at least I get a sense that he's capable of thinking big, even if doesn't always act big. That remains to be seen throughout the campaign.

For example, he's on record for being pro-public financing of elections which is way past McCain-Feingold. Will he try to reform elections that radically? I dunno, but he's absolutely right in being for that.

I'm not super pro-Obama but I think he's a strong potential candidate. I do hope the campaign is bruising, just to test his mettle.
post #37 of 70
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Originally Posted by devincf
He stands for nothing.
A realitic assessment against the prevailing idealistic one in this thread. Still I have to say for a guy who is an empty suit Barack is still pretty impressive. Anyone who underestimates him will pay the price come primary time.

That being said he won't win or go anywhere in 08. I'd say in about 8 years he'll be unbeatable and get the presidency if he plays his cards right.
post #38 of 70
Is it even difficult to grasp?

Clinton/Obama in '08.

That wasn't tough. The DNC will make them reconcile and make a big deal out of it.

I refuse to believe that I'm the only person that feels this way.
post #39 of 70
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Originally Posted by Jared Melton
Is it even difficult to grasp?

Clinton/Obama in '08.
Clinton's ego wouldn't allow a bigger star to be her VP. Besides if she attacks his inexperience she can't put him on the ticket saying if anything happened to me Obama would be the right person for the job.
post #40 of 70
I'd rather have Edwards, who's actually acknowledging there's a class system and social injustice or Gore who's actually working to keep Waterworld a feature film instead of a global live show.
post #41 of 70
I wouldn't put it past the Democrats to run a woman (and a Clinton, no less) and a black man. And I think the Republicans would be happy with that.

That ticket may be awesome on paper, but it can't win.
post #42 of 70
I think a Gore/Edwards ticket would molest whoever the Republicans put up, but that ticket seems very unlikely. I doubt either candidiate would be willing to run as VP again.
post #43 of 70
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Originally Posted by Sammy Jankis
That ticket may be awesome on paper, but it can't win.
Truth. A regular-ass white man couldn't beat Satan two elections in a row. Is this the best time to be playing shiny happy utopia?
post #44 of 70
Any time I hear about Sen. Obama as VP, I always think of the Chris Rock routine about why there will never be a black Vice President.
post #45 of 70
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Originally Posted by RathBandu
Any time I hear about Sen. Obama as VP, I always think of the Chris Rock routine about why there will never be a black Vice President.
Ha!

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As long as you live you will never see a black vice president, you know why? Because some black guy would just kill the president. I'd do it. If Colin Powell was vice president, I'd kill the president and tell his mother about it. What would happen to me? What would they do? Put me in jail with a bunch of black guys that would treat me like a king for the rest of my life? I would be the biggest star in jail, alright, people would be coming up to me and I'd be signing autographs: "97-KY, here you go." Guys would be going: "You're the brother that shot Bush. And you told his mother about it huh? I hope my children turn out to be just like you, Man, you know I was getting ready to rape you until I realized who you were. And even if they had a death penalty, what would happen? Get pardoned by the black president.
post #46 of 70
Actually, much as I like the cut of Obama's jib, this seems to me more important comedic wisdom to keep in mind:

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Originally Posted by Bill Hicks
I have a feeling that whoever's elected president, like Clinton was, no matter what you promise on the campaign trail, blah, blah, blah...when you win, you go into this smoke filled room with the twelve industrialist capitalist scum-fucks who got you in there. And you're in this smoky room, and this little film screen comes down, and a big guy with a cigar goes, "Roll the film." And it's a shot of the Kennedy assassination from an angle you've never seen before that looks suspiciously like it's from the grassy knoll. The screen goes up and the lights come up, and they go to the new president:
"Any questions?"
"Um, just what my agenda is?"
"First we bomb Baghdad."
"...you got it."
post #47 of 70
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Originally Posted by mastronikolas
I'd rather have Edwards, who's actually acknowledging there's a class system and social injustice or Gore who's actually working to keep Waterworld a feature film instead of a global live show.
I hear you on this, but the thing is, but the fact of the matter is, Obama's already got an uphill struggle compared to those two. White southerners and vice-presidents have been running and winning for years. For a young, black junior senator to win over the country, staying overwhelmingly positive is a must.
post #48 of 70
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Originally Posted by Paulpatine
I think a Gore/Edwards ticket would molest whoever the Republicans put up, but that ticket seems very unlikely. I doubt either candidiate would be willing to run as VP again.
Yeah retreads are a great idea...
post #49 of 70
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Originally Posted by kingcujoI
Yeah retreads are a great idea...
Retreads aren't that unusual in American politics - just because you lose once doesn't mean that you're out of the game. Rolling Stone ran a pretty good article in favor of Gore entering the race, and it started by drawing this parallel:

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A stiff vice president campaigns on his administration's legacy of unprecedented prosperity. Looks terrible on TV. Bows out, following a disputed vote count. Then, two terms later, with no incumbent in the race, he re-enters the fray. Promises to change the course of a disastrous war founded on lies. And charges to victory. I'm referring, of course, to the 1968 campaign of Richard Milhous Nixon. But four decades later, history has a chance to repeat itself for Albert Arnold Gore.
Nixon, perhaps, isn't the ideal model for a president, but in terms of illustrating the odds of a "retread"'s chances, the comparison works.
post #50 of 70
semi-useless factoid: every presidential candidate who lost the election but won the popular vote was eventually elected with an overwhelming margin.
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