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Joe Rogan vs. Carlos Mencia

post #1 of 85
2/14/07 at 4:31pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnTRSetqvvQ

edit: sorry I had the wrong link.
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post #2 of 85
2/14/07 at 4:44pm
Maiden of Death? What the fuck does that have to do with Rogan or Mencia?
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post #3 of 85
2/14/07 at 4:46pm
That's one of those there Grindhouse Contest trailers. Not the best one. Check out Mister Muerte and Los Adios for some better examples. Neither Carlos nor Mencia are involved in those either, though.
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post #4 of 85
2/14/07 at 5:26pm
I've always hated Carlos Mencia, he's a bitch, and I hate Joe Rogan but I give him props for putting Mencia down ass being a no talent clown.
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post #5 of 85
2/14/07 at 5:52pm
Ah yes, the fight between two completely unfunny fucks. May they exterminate each other out.
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post #6 of 85
2/14/07 at 7:02pm
Still, there is a huge difference between being unfunny but original and being unfunny and a joke stealer.

How come Mencia still has a show on Comedy Central?
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post #7 of 85
2/14/07 at 7:13pm
Rogan is sad because he waste his energies following Mencia like a cockroach, while Mencia is stealing jokes.

So what ? They're both pathetic.
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post #8 of 85
2/14/07 at 7:21pm
Does Rogan feel like he is some kind of Comic Crusader or something? He's always bitching about what comedian is stealing what and how so-and-so sucks. I really dislike both him and Mencia, but somehow Rogan is much more irritating because of this.
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post #9 of 85
2/14/07 at 7:28pm
Because he's willing to call out comics who regularly steal material you like him less? That doesn't make sense.

I think he makes clear on the video that one of the reasons he does it is because every other comedian backs down from it. They talk about it all of the time when they're together but for some reason are afraid to say anything publicly. Why? Would you want to know if an author was stealing other people's work for his/her book?
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post #10 of 85
2/14/07 at 7:28pm
Rogan may be douchey, but ultimately he's trying to stand up for guys who get nervous about saying anything about being ripped off, mostly because when someone is that successful they can make your life more difficult if you complain. Rogan, having appeared on two successful TV shows, has enough money to make a hobby of torturing joke stealers, because he has empathy for the dude's who've been stolen from. In its way, it's sort of noble.
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post #11 of 85
2/14/07 at 7:40pm
It more has to do with my disliking of how Rogan goes about calling out others. Yeah, stealing jokes is about the shittiest thing you can do as a comic, but it's also not great to go up during someone's set and fuck up everything. Also, the main reason I don't like Rogan isn't because he is calling out these people, but it more has to do with his general asshole attitude, which was demonstrated on his website where he visciously attacked some messageboard poster who had negative comments.
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post #12 of 85
2/14/07 at 7:41pm
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Mencia is the one who went on stage and confronted Rogan in the video.

From Joe's site:

So here's how it all went down…
I had a set at the comedy store Saturday night, and after I closed, I was bringing on the next comedian, a guy named Kirk Fox that works for Carlos Mencia.
I introduce him saying that he's a funny guy, and that he opens on the road for Carlos "Menstealia." That's the name we call him at the comedy store, and of course Carlos doesn't like it one bit.
Carlos was apparently in the room when I said this, and the perfect combination of ego and timing made him decide that this was the night to put his foot down.
As I got off stage and headed towards the back of the room, he grabbed the mike away from Kirk, and said that I was too much of a pussy to say that shit to his face.
Which to me is something akin to the hottest girl in the world daring you to fuck her while you're standing there in her bedroom naked with a boner.
Of course I had to disagree with him, and I decided to get onstage with him and have this "meeting of the minds" as it were.
On video.
Shazam!

Now, a lot of comics have had a problem with Carlos stealing material for a long time now, but for whatever reason, many of them don't like to talk about it publicly, mostly because they're afraid that people are going to think that they're just jealous. That, and they're worried about him using his power in "Hollywood" to have them black balled for talking badly about him. But in private, they talk about it. A LOT.
It's a huge problem at the comedy store, to the point where some really good comics are refusing to go onstage if he's there watching the show, and others have a signal system to alert the guy onstage that Carlos has walked into the room.
It's really THAT BAD.
It's like a dark cloud that hovers over the place when he's performing there. He walks by and people literally stop their conversations and move away.
For whatever reason, the owner of the comedy store, Mitzi Shore, has always let him go up there, perhaps because he started there and the fact that she was actually the one to name himself Carlos Mencia instead of his actual name of Ned. Or, maybe she just wasn't aware of how big of a problem it had become. Either way, it's her club, and she's done so much for comedy in general, and me in particular, that I would never question her about any of her decisions. In fact, I had never even talked to her about the problem until today.
Quite honestly, I'm happy to get this video and this blog out there, so that hopefully this can be the last time that I have talk about it.
Even I'm getting sick of me talking about it at this point.

To give you a little background, when I first moved to Hollywood way back in 1994 Carlos and I were actually friends.
We hung out together a bunch of times. Played pool together, went to the gym, hung out at the store, all kinds of shit. That's also how I know that he's really half German and Half Honduran and not Mexican. I know it, because he told me himself.
I thought that it was weird to use a fake name, but who gives a shit really. No big deal.
Other than that he seemed to be a cool guy.
Then I started to see it. Over and over again, I would see him do jokes that I knew I had heard before. Then I saw some real obvious shit. Some jokes that I knew were Paul Mooney's, some that were right off a Richard Pryor album. I brought it up to him, and he gave me this half assed denial that I knew was a lie. That was the end of our friendship.
I didn't hate the guy, but there was no way I could hang around with him knowing he's a thief.
For someone who is not a comic, and doesn't understand what the big deal is about comics stealing jokes, please let me try to explain it to you.
It's hard to come up with material. It takes a lot of work, a lot of rewriting, sometimes an approach bombs and you have to rethink it, and often it's a long process until you get to a finished product.
Now, occasionally a joke will come to you in full form, but for the most part it's just an idea that can become a great bit with some work.
Now, when you work hard on a bit and polish and craft it, and then someone just disrespects the whole process, steps in, steals it and performs it as his own, that's a pretty intense creative violation.
I've been in the back of a club while a guy was onstage doing one of my bits and believe me that's a shitty fucking feeling. It's like watching your girlfriend getting fucked onstage by a liar while the whole audience cheers.
What's even worse, is if you're a struggling comic, and the guy stealing your shit has his own show on comedy central.

Now, our little "beef" started out a while ago when Carlos was on the radio in Tucson, Arizona doing "the Frank show", and he started talking about me, mainly telling a bunch of weird lies about a recent night where we had worked together back to back at the store. Unfortunately for him, the DJ sent me an mp3 of the discussion, and we actually had the evening he was referring to in his story on film, and we posted it up on the internet for all to see and laugh at. His version of the night was nothing more than a weird mix of lies and bragging, and it was pretty obvious to anyone seeing the video and listening to him on the radio that the guy is screwy.
You can check it out here.
Ever since then, shit talking has been going on back and forth from both sides, and to be honest I have been baiting him into a conversation to expose him and end this all for a while now, I just never thought he would actually be dumb enough to want to do it in front of an audience, especially when he knew that we were filming it.

Ego is a motherfucker, I guess.

Either way, I'm glad we got this over with.
For the record, I don't hate the guy. I never really did.
I hated what he was doing, but him as a person it's really more like I felt pity for him.
The dude was living a gigantic lie, and no matter how fucked up and powerful your ego is, there's got to be a part of the back of his brain that realizes what's going on, and cringes at the reality. I think maybe it's even his own subconscious knowing that he's doing something wrong that forced him into this un-winnable battle.
I'm completely convinced that if I ever got that dude high he would curl up into the fetal position and cry for hours.
Either that, or launch himself off a cliff.

When all was said and done at the end of the night, especially after I saw the video, I actually felt sorry for him. I think there's part of him that actually believes his own bullshit. I compared him to OJ in the video, in that they've both convinced themselves that they're innocent, and really I think it's a valid comparison.
Stand up comedy is an awesome, amazing way to make a living, and the comedy store is the greatest place to practice it in the known universe. It's just a really fun place, and there's a ton of funny comics that hang around there, and for the most part it's a really positive environment.
We support each other, and we make each other laugh. We have fun together, except for this one little problem. Hopefully this video will help fix that, and make everything nice-nice again.
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post #13 of 85
2/14/07 at 7:42pm
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Originally Posted by Andre Dellamorte
Rogan may be douchey, but ultimately he's trying to stand up for guys who get nervous about saying anything about being ripped off, mostly because when someone is that successful they can make your life more difficult if you complain. Rogan, having appeared on two successful TV shows, has enough money to make a hobby of torturing joke stealers, because he has empathy for the dude's who've been stolen from. In its way, it's sort of noble.
Exactly and that's why even though I find Rogan less than funny at times, I would support his "cause" of outing Mencia. It used to be really taboo to steal material and for some reason now in comedy it's almost an accepted practice. For shame I say, because unfunny fuckers should not be allowed to make careers on the jokes of those that are flat out funnier. All that said though I still kind of wanna kick Joe Rogan in the nuts.
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post #14 of 85
2/14/07 at 7:43pm
Oh, sorry then that is my mistake. I'm only about halfway through the video as of writing. Since Mencia had the mic and Rogan didn't, I assumed Rogan was interrupting. Well in that case Mencia comes off looking even worse than he already does.

Also, I wouldn't want to admit that these awful jokes Mencia are doing were originally my awful jokes.
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post #15 of 85
2/14/07 at 7:43pm
Is it to the death? Please tell me it's to the death.
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post #16 of 85
2/14/07 at 8:54pm
Finally Mencia gets confronted.

Now all we need is an intervention with Dane Cook. I think he gets away with it because he's a more likeable guy.

But he must be stopped...
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post #17 of 85
2/15/07 at 2:01am
It's like the Prestige, but...lame.
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post #18 of 85
2/15/07 at 3:27am
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Where did the edit button go?

The youtube link was removed but it's still up at break.com

http://www.break.com/index/joe_rogan...os_mencia.html
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post #19 of 85
2/15/07 at 4:03am
Thank you Yomad, I was late in seeing that and was starting to get dissapointed.

The thing with Rogan is that he is abrasive, he's not really out there to appease people, which makes some people find him annoying because he disrupts an otherwise tranquil atmosphere. But what the fuck, I'm not saying he's Martin Luther King or anything but what he is doing is great, if it weren't for people like him douches like Mencia would run wild, nothing wrong with pointing out some truth. And somebody was saying Rogan's not funny, which is wrong, have you even seen his standup? It's better than 95% of standups out there (to be fair 75% of standups absloutely blow) but still, don't judge him by fear factor or some bullshit like that, he's doing that for money. Bob Sagat isn't exactly Danny Tanner in real life either.
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post #20 of 85
2/15/07 at 1:59pm
nicking someone else's jokes and stealing their act is a deeply shitty thing to do. if only a talented person (i.e. nonRogan) would go after such people though. then we might get to see a joke thief torn down with wit and funniness instead of cries of "Bro! nobody likes you, you fat fuck! just admit you stole the joke!" (because comedy is SERIOUS BUSINESS)
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post #21 of 85
2/15/07 at 2:06pm
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Joe Rogan talks about dimethyltryptamine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grcqs9cDuN8
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post #22 of 85
2/15/07 at 2:56pm
Who cares but Joe Rogan ?
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post #23 of 85
2/15/07 at 3:15pm
Mencia needs to steal some comebacks. You can only use "you're just a whiny bitch" so many times.
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post #24 of 85
2/15/07 at 3:39pm
Who do you side with in this match up?

Both are bags of douche.
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post #25 of 85
2/15/07 at 3:51pm
I never really cared one way or the other about Joe Rogan, but when you call out an unfunny piece of shit like Carlos Mencia in public you've got my respect.
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post #26 of 85
2/15/07 at 4:02pm
They're both fucks. But I'd have to give it to Rogan. The guy's an arrogant bully, but at least he wasn't backed into a corner the way Mencia was.
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post #27 of 85
2/16/07 at 12:06am
You should check the first youtube link again and see who got it pulled....

I never was much a Joe Rogan fan - liked his role on News Radio - never cared for Fear Factor - but he was on Penn Radio a couple weeks ago and was quite entertaining.

Seeing the vid of him taking apart a hack comic like Mencia was pure gold...
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post #28 of 85
2/16/07 at 12:35am
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Originally Posted by Disciple_72
nicking someone else's jokes and stealing their act is a deeply shitty thing to do. if only a talented person (i.e. nonRogan) would go after such people though. then we might get to see a joke thief torn down with wit and funniness instead of cries of "Bro! nobody likes you, you fat fuck! just admit you stole the joke!" (because comedy is SERIOUS BUSINESS)
It's someone's livelihood, that's pretty serious.
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post #29 of 85
2/16/07 at 12:55am
Joe's blog has some interesting links on this matter:
http://www.joerogan.net/main.php

He's been banned from that club, and his agent dropped him (that post was just removed from his blog).
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post #30 of 85
2/16/07 at 1:40am
BTW, why do people say he's half German? I think both his parents were are Hispanic.
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post #31 of 85
2/16/07 at 1:47am
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ElCapitanAmerica
BTW, why do people say he's half German? I think both his parents were are Hispanic.
His father is German and his mother is Honduran.
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post #32 of 85
2/16/07 at 1:48am
"Do you really think a Jewish guy came up with that joke?"

Flawless logic, Carlos.
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post #33 of 85
2/16/07 at 1:56am
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Originally Posted by Yomad
His father is German and his mother is Honduran.
It's hard to tell, I can't really find anything saying that his father was a German citizen.

NPR seems to say his mother is Mexican and his father is Honduran ...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=5478147

IMDB says his father is German, but his name is "Roberto Holness". Pointing out the obvious, Roberto is not a German name. Did he change it?
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post #34 of 85
2/16/07 at 2:00am
Evidently his given name is Ned Landon or something.
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post #35 of 85
2/16/07 at 2:17am
You guys do know that lots of Hispanics (myself included) have non Spanish last names right?

His lineage is a true mystery, it's all over the map. The most reputable source I could find is the Washington Post, which says his father is Mexican. But then again, this could be the "entertainment" section, not an in depth story on were the hell his family came from.
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post #36 of 85
2/16/07 at 2:56am
From the IMDb:

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Carlos Mencia was born on October 22nd 1967 in San Pedro Sula, Honduras. His mother, Magdelena Mencia, is Honduran and his father, Roberto Holness, is German.
Ned Holness was his birth name. Obviously, he took his mother's maiden name, for personal or professional reasons. From what the comedians were saying on the Rogan tape, it sounds like he found a schtick in playing up his Mexicanedness
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post #37 of 85
2/16/07 at 2:58am
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Dellamorte
From the IMDb:



Ned Holness was his birth name. Obviously, he took his mother's maiden name, for personal or professional reasons. From what the comedians were saying on the Rogan tape, it sounds like he found a schtick in playing up his Mexicanedness
Except he isn't Mexican.
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post #38 of 85
2/16/07 at 3:06am
I hate Mencia with a fucking vengeance, so I find this all to be absolutely hysterical. It takes a special kind of suck to rip off other people's shit and still not be funny. Thank Christ Rogan finally took the leap from bitching about him on radio/his blog and finally clowned the guy in front of his own audience. Cheers.
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post #39 of 85
2/16/07 at 3:15am
ElCapitanAmerica - I don't want to shat on your support for Ned - but you remind me of the some of the folks on Fark when news started coming down about Mel Gibson and his "jew" comments....

Denial was the stay of the day for Gibson fans, until the truth finally came out. Ned could easily blow away all these attacks, if only he had the ground on which to stand... Which he does not.

Sometimes the truth is just up in your face....
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post #40 of 85
2/16/07 at 10:44am
I don't really "support" Ned. I hate his comedy, I find his "Beaner" act offensive and false. On this German thing, though, it's hard to tell. If you look at the sources, they are all over the place. IMDB says one thing, then you have the Washington Post saying his father is from Honduras.
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post #41 of 85
2/17/07 at 5:06pm
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Rogan on Breuer's show:
http://www.haider.1g.fi/Joe_Rogan_Ta...reuerUnlea.mp3
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post #42 of 85
2/17/07 at 5:52pm
It's so fucking hard to give a shit when Breuer and Rogan come off as such troglodyte assholes.
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post #43 of 85
2/17/07 at 6:53pm
When the hell did Breuer get a show? So that's where he's been...
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post #44 of 85
2/17/07 at 7:35pm
Regardless of Mensteala's heritage, whether it be Honduran/German or Mexican (it isn't), everyone here can agree that the biggest sacrilege he has committed is stealing material and still being completely fucking unfunny. If you're going to steal, what the fuck is keeping you from being funny? And he actually manages to have a worse "catchphrase" than that other awful comic Larry the Cable Guy--derr da derr!

I was watching an interview with Eddie Murphy last week and he was talking about how twenty-thirty years ago in stand-up ripping off material was something that just wasn't accepted, and how that has changed lately. It's especially sad when it's an established fact that Mencia is a hack joke-raper and he'll still probably have season 3 of Mind of Mencia.
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post #45 of 85
2/18/07 at 11:35pm
I think there should be no fuckin' tolerance for stealing of jokes and skit ideas and things like that.

I've experienced it first hand where a group of people I knew formed a sketch comedy group and didn't invite me to be a part of it, despite the fact that I'd discussed doing the same kind of thing with pretty much all of them at one point. Eventually when they were working on bits and stuff I caught wind they were ripping off one my sketch ideas. I confronted them on it, primarily through my friend who was in the group, and it was shocking to me how they failed to see how what they were doing was wrong.

Even after that I saw at one of their shows one of the most successful lines they had was something I'd come up with and they just tossed it in their shit. Fuckin' ridiculous. Once again, upon confrontation, they failed to see how they had done anything wrong.

I suppose a lot of people think that jokes and comedy are open territory to grab, which is the farthest thing from truth.

I think we need to go back to the good old days where if somebody swiped your bit, you got two goons to break their knee-caps.
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post #46 of 85
2/19/07 at 3:31am
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Make sure to listen to the whole mp3. There's ~10 minutes of buildup but it pays off in the end.

http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/182...Show%20Podcast
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post #47 of 85
2/19/07 at 3:47am
Ouch!
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post #48 of 85
2/19/07 at 5:09am
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Originally Posted by Yomad
Make sure to listen to the whole mp3. There's ~10 minutes of buildup but it pays off in the end.

http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/182...Show%20Podcast
Awesome sound file. I'm surprised no one linked to this sooner because it sounds like this clip is at least 6 months old.
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post #49 of 85
2/19/07 at 5:17am
That host is a putz for not calling Mencia on his bullshit while he was actually talking to him. He's a bigger putz for having two holes on his show who provide nothing but background laughter and inane banter.
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post #50 of 85
2/19/07 at 11:00am
I could have really supported Rogan had he beat the shit out of Mencia on that stage that night like it looked like was going to happen. I was expecting one of them to get physical. Damn shame they didn't. Here are some reasons I hate this fucker Mencia, from hsi own words:

"Lets talk about slavery. If I could go back in time and change everything I wouldn't. So black people were slaves. Who gives a shit. Lots of people were slaves. Its what made this country so great. If you would have free'd all the blacks then who knows what this country would have become?"

Thats just some stupid shit to say. Its like bordering racism but all snug and neat in its little comedic bed so its okay. Thats like saying if I could go back in time and stop Hitler I wouldn't because then somewhere along the line there woudn't be a jewish comedian I could steal all of my shit from.

An episode of his bullshit show on Comedy Central:

Mencia on immigration: Mencia walks up to a gardner (hispanic) and asks him if he's ever flirted with the woman who lives there, if he ever scored with her. The guy, obviously unable to understand english, shrugs. Mencia, standning next to him, points to him and says, "This guys obviously a wetback".

Now thats some fucked up shit. It niether funny nor entertaining.

Mencia thinks his asshole routine is rectified by his belittling and prejeducing every race, religion, and culture to its extreme. It reminds me of the jewish guy who he stole shit from. That guy is a major asshole when he does his Amazing Racist routine. I mean WTF are these guys thinking and how can half the shit they pull be legal in the terms of the law or the law of society. Maybe I'm just fucking disconnected in the world of comedy but its seems counter productive towards the world I would want my kids.
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