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Giuliani Runs in '08

post #1 of 21
2/15/07 at 3:40pm
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Official-like. Assuming he got the nom, I'm curious how middle America will feel about Rudy vs Hillary or Barack. I imagine they'll wrap him in the US flag and call him the savior of 9/11 for the flyover states that aren't already voting for him because he's not black or female.
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post #2 of 21
2/15/07 at 3:42pm
It will at least be interesting to see how he handles the 9-11 thing, they have to be careful not to overdo it.

But still, he doesn't have a chance running against Hillary, sadly.
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post #3 of 21
2/15/07 at 3:46pm
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Originally Posted by Nexus
But still, he doesn't have a chance running against Hillary, sadly.
That's even if she gets the nom. Fact is it's still INSANELY early and anything can happen. (Harkens back to late '03-early '04 facination with Howard Dean and the four week facination with Wesley Clark)
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post #4 of 21
2/15/07 at 3:52pm
Yeah, you're probably right.


Weird vibe they're putting out on Obama, no?
Haven't read his autobiography, but the whole finding himself in Kenya thing was a bit too much.
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post #5 of 21
2/15/07 at 3:55pm
That's the thing I wonder about Obama is the paraelle(sp?) with Dean. I'm sure Obama is aware of this but fact who knows what'll happen.
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post #6 of 21
2/15/07 at 4:16pm
I don't think a pro-choice Republican can get through the primaries... but *thumbs up* 9-1-1!!!!!!!!!
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post #7 of 21
2/15/07 at 4:37pm
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Originally Posted by Nexus
But still, he doesn't have a chance running against Hillary, sadly.
Actually, he's the one person who can beat her. He's as far left as a republican can get, which appeals not just to moderate republicans, but a vast number of independents as well. Plus, considering the Katrina fiasco, His handling of NY after 911 gives him a whole lot of disaster street cred.

And no one should judge Republicans as single issue voters with regards to being Pro-Choice. There's a large percentage who vote that way based on fiscal policies (who GW effectively alienated from the party) and would prefer to see a pro-choice Republican get the nomination.
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post #8 of 21
2/15/07 at 4:37pm
I don't understand why anyone would vote for him. His whole platform (to me anyways) is that he was the Mayor of New York City during 9/11. This is all he ever talks about. Remember the Republican Convention in '04? Christ... how many times did he say, "When I was the mayor of New York during 9/11...." my God. You want to talk about someone using the memories of the dead from 9/11 for political gain? Giuliani is your guy.
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post #9 of 21
2/15/07 at 4:50pm
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I don't understand why anyone would vote for him. His whole platform (to me anyways) is that he was the Mayor of New York City during 9/11. This is all he ever talks about. Remember the Republican Convention in '04? Christ... how many times did he say, "When I was the mayor of New York during 9/11...." my God. You want to talk about someone using the memories of the dead from 9/11 for political gain? Giuliani is your guy.

It's not just 9/11 for him, it's accomplishing the turn around of NYC. Now mind you I don't want to get into the issue of "Disneynification" but you have to give credit to the guy for taking on a task that no one thought was possible.

Besides, they say the most difficult job other than being the President is Mayor of NYC.
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post #10 of 21
2/15/07 at 4:55pm
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Originally Posted by Brendan
I don't understand why anyone would vote for him. His whole platform (to me anyways) is that he was the Mayor of New York City during 9/11. This is all he ever talks about. Remember the Republican Convention in '04? Christ... how many times did he say, "When I was the mayor of New York during 9/11...." my God. You want to talk about someone using the memories of the dead from 9/11 for political gain? Giuliani is your guy.
Agreed. Can't stand they guy.

Also I think his marital history is going to give him some problems.
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post #11 of 21
2/15/07 at 5:08pm
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Originally Posted by EdHocken
It's not just 9/11 for him, it's accomplishing the turn around of NYC. Now mind you I don't want to get into the issue of "Disneynification" but you have to give credit to the guy for taking on a task that no one thought was possible.

Besides, they say the most difficult job other than being the President is Mayor of NYC.
I'm not saying he didn't do a good job it's just does he have anything else to talk about? Any time he's in a debate he'll mention 9/11 countless times. It'll be a drinking game except you'll die from alcohol poisoning after twenty minutes.
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post #12 of 21
2/15/07 at 5:26pm
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We'll see. Italian is "colored" in certain parts of the You Ess Ay.
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post #13 of 21
2/15/07 at 5:32pm
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Originally Posted by 70sCinema
We'll see. Italian is "colored" in certain parts of the You Ess Ay.

True, you have to remember the fear and paranoia that ran rampant when a Catholic tried to run for office both in '28 and in '60
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post #14 of 21
2/15/07 at 5:33pm
I think one of the reasons Rudy only talks about his career during and after 9/11 is that bringing up his career before opens himself to all kinds of questions regarding his character and moral fiber, not to mention a closer look at the dirty arena that is New York City politics. There's a reason why no former mayor of New York has gotten his party's nomination since DeWitt Clinton in the 19th century (and also Al Smith, who was active in city politics but never Mayor), and there's a reason why it's going to stay that way.
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post #15 of 21
2/15/07 at 5:34pm
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Originally Posted by EdHocken
It's not just 9/11 for him, it's accomplishing the turn around of NYC. Now mind you I don't want to get into the issue of "Disneynification" but you have to give credit to the guy for taking on a task that no one thought was possible.
No we don't. New Yorkers hated him. How can you give a guy credit for doing a job when he people he was working for - on both sides of the political spectrum - thought he was a total douche.
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post #16 of 21
2/15/07 at 5:42pm
Friggin' Giuliani!!!
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post #17 of 21
2/15/07 at 6:47pm
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I don't think a pro-choice Republican can get through the primaries... but *thumbs up* 9-1-1!!!!!!!!!
Pro-civil union/gay marriage, too. And pro-gun control.

Republicans may not all be single-issue voters, but any candidate who goes against too many social conservative causes will alienate the Religious Right and find himself with support primarily from purely fiscal Republicans and perhaps some Libertarians willing to throw their vote toward a mainstream candidate - and I sincerely doubt that's enough to win the primary.

And I wouldn't completely rule out the idea that parts of the country just hates New York and things associated with it.
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post #18 of 21
2/15/07 at 7:00pm
His candidacy will survive the pre-primary season, but that's about it.
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post #19 of 21
2/15/07 at 7:02pm
Well, it sure as fuck won't be Mitt Romney. Fucking *Mitt*?

That leaves McCain, I guess.
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post #20 of 21
2/15/07 at 7:10pm
I don't even understand the good will he received from 9/11. What did he actually do? It's the same credit Bush coasted on after the event for several months. Being the leader when it happened and not collapsing in a weeping heap of flesh is hardly a sign of godlike leadership ability.
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post #21 of 21
2/15/07 at 7:36pm
"Giuliani Time"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abner_Louima

Hell no, Rudy. Take your ex wives and mistresses and forehead vein and go home.

I was in NYC during the early Disneyfication. Sure Times Square is improved, I guess, but I also saw police squads decked out in full riot gear practicing their moves on the tennis courts of Tompkins Square Park at night, and the aftermath of the police efforts vs. the squatters on 13th Street. They went down the street with a fucking tank when they did the initial evictions, then had a police station in a trailer camped out at the corner of Ave B for over a year after that.
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