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Remember to keep the TV volume down.

post #1 of 40
2/22/07 at 12:44am
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http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/02/21/D8NE8ED00.html

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Porn DVD Screams Prompt Sword 'Rescue'

Feb 21 12:53 PM US/Eastern

OCONOMOWOC, Wis. (AP) -- A man says he broke into an apartment with a cavalry sword because he thought he heard a woman being raped, but the sound actually was from a pornographic movie his upstairs neighbor was watching.

"Now I feel stupid," said James Van Iveren, who has been charged in the case. "This really is nothing, nothing but a mistake."

According to a criminal complaint, the neighbor told police that Van Iveren pounded on the door and kicked it open without warning Feb. 12, damaging the frame and lock.

"Where is she?" Van Iveren demanded, thrusting the sword at the neighbor, the complaint said. "Where is she?"

The neighbor told police Van Iveren became increasingly aggressive as he repeated the question, insisting that he had heard a woman being raped. The complaint said that, with the sword pointed at him, the neighbor led Van Iveren throughout the apartment, opening closet doors to prove he was alone.

The neighbor later played for police the part of the DVD he believed Van Iveren heard downstairs.

Van Iveren, 39, of Oconomowoc, was charged with criminal trespass, criminal damage and disorderly conduct, all while using a dangerous weapon, and is due in court March 5. Together, the misdemeanor counts carry a maximum sentence of 33 months in jail.

Van Iveren said Tuesday that he heard a woman "screaming for help," grabbed the sword, bounded up the stairs, kicked in the apartment door and confronted the man who lived there.

"I intended to hold it behind my back and knock. But I froze and instead, what happened happened," he told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

Contesting his neighbor's account, Van Iveren said he didn't look anywhere in the apartment except the front room, and that he never threatened the neighbor with the sword.

"I had the sword extended. But that was all," he said.

Van Iveren, who lives with his mother in the downstairs apartment, said he did not call police when he heard the noises because he does not have a telephone. He said he barely knew the upstairs tenant.

Police seized Van Iveren's sword, which he said was a family heirloom.
Though I guess the possibility of jail time ain't so funny.
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post #2 of 40
2/22/07 at 12:55am
Do you suppose the theme from Raiders of the Lost Ark was playing in his head as he raced to the rescue?

How stupid must this guy feel now? A man waits his entire life for an opportunity to be the big hero. To have it end like this...man, suicide must be looking pretty good.
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post #3 of 40
2/22/07 at 12:55am
Utter cakery.

The judicial/insurance abstract in this country is killing it at an ever quickening pace.

Yes, good sir, play your fucking torture porn as loud as you want, god forbid anyone do anything about it. Fuck the prosecutors and legislators for selling out the Constitution. Nation of men you vicious criminals.

On the bright side, maybe this will spur this young man out into the world. I'd be pissed if I lost my saber.
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post #4 of 40
2/22/07 at 12:55am
He's 40, lives with his mom and has no phone. Suicide would have been a good option a decade ago.
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post #5 of 40
2/22/07 at 12:56am
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Originally Posted by Zhukov
Utter cakery.

The judicial/insurance abstract in this country is killing it at an ever quickening pace.

Yes, good sir, play your fucking torture porn as loud as you want, god forbid anyone do anything about it. Fuck the prosecutors and legislators for selling out the Constitution. Nation of men you vicious fucks.
Huh?
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post #6 of 40
2/22/07 at 1:01am
My apologies, perhaps I should have been clearer.

There is something here, the idea that a hapless loser is gonna get dicked by the judicial system while the asshole blasting his disgusting habit at full volume gets off scot free (I apologize for the pun), that seems twisted and representative of our new national pasttime: fucking around in the courts.
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post #7 of 40
2/22/07 at 1:04am
He burst into a guy's apartment with a sword. You go to jail for that. This isn't some "new" thing.

And "full volume?" I missed those words in the article.
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post #8 of 40
2/22/07 at 1:04am
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Originally Posted by devincf
He's 40, lives with his mom and has no phone. Suicide would have been a good option a decade ago.
Plus the fact that he doesn't even know what sex is when he hears it.
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post #9 of 40
2/22/07 at 1:05am
And it never says that the guy was watching "torture porn." Zhukov, you're jumping to a lot of unsupported conclusions here.
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post #10 of 40
2/22/07 at 1:10am
Perhaps. I assumed since the guy reported hearing a woman screaming about being raped, it was something similarly unpleasant. Either I am mistaken in that regard, and retract my statements (in regards to this incident), or the media reported the part about him hearing a woman screaming about being raped in error . . . which is pretty reckless considering there are names named here.

That, or this guy made the part up about hearing the woman screaming, but then why did he go at the guy with a sword?

EDIT: it seems the story on MSNBC says he simply heard a woman screaming for help. Still - what the fuck? And I truly sorry for slandering the media's good name.
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post #11 of 40
2/22/07 at 1:12am
I don't know, but you're talking about selling out the Constitution, so shouldn't you be supporting the guy's right to watch whatever unpleasant shit he would like to watch?
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post #12 of 40
2/22/07 at 1:12am
He had his sword extended, cause he thought he heard a girl getting raped. The shit writes itself.
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post #13 of 40
2/22/07 at 1:17am
Certainly, he can watch whatever he wants. But if someone downstairs in another apartment can hear it clearly enough to make it out as . . . something . . . then he has no reasonable expectation for freedom of speech. You cant scream fire in a crowded theater, and I would conjecture you cant play porn so loud someone else's children can hear it.

The gibberish relating to the constitution was related, in a very opaque fashion, to the recent bombardment of litigious bullshit in the news. Anna Nicole Smith, the lady who threw a fucking cup of ice at someone, the recent Gitmo ruling - a lot of these prosecutors (and claimants, in the case of Nicole Smith) strike me as dangerous lunatics.
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post #14 of 40
2/22/07 at 1:40am
So wait a second. If I'm banging a girl, should we be quiet just because some child in the vicinity might hear it and be scared for life?

The whole screaming fire in a theater analogy is ridiculous.

Man, if my neighbors were as nuts as this I'd be getting broken into all the time with the amount of horror I watch.
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post #15 of 40
2/22/07 at 1:46am
No good deed goes unpunished. If you think you hear someone being attacked, lock the doors and keep quiet, or you'll risk going to jail.
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post #16 of 40
2/22/07 at 1:59am
Which Gitmo ruling?
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post #17 of 40
2/22/07 at 2:04am
I should break in on my neighbors more often. They can't always just be having loud slappy sex.
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post #18 of 40
2/22/07 at 2:06am
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Originally Posted by Van Jones
No good deed goes unpunished. If you think you hear someone being attacked, lock the doors and keep quiet, or you'll risk going to jail.
Or call the cops. That seems like the obvious option in "reality".
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post #19 of 40
2/22/07 at 2:57am
"No good deed goes unpunished"

But this isn't a "good deed". This is an overzealous busybody re-re bustin' down a door that wasn't the one in front of his apartment.

Let's say you thought you heard something dangerous through the paper-thin walls of your apartment.

Now, maybe...maaaaaaybe you feel like it's something you can do something about. That would make you an idiot - but I'm working with you here.

So you leave your place - brandishing some absurd weapon - and make your way to this other apartment. You get close to the door, and you hear the slap-bass "wonka-chikka" of good old fashioned Amerkin porno - not a plea for help - a plea for "harder". You think to yourself - "Ah, it's not a rape attempt - it's just too loud porns".

Then you walk away from the door, hoping no one saw you creeping about the corridors like a brain-damaged Civil War re-enactor (but are there any other kind?).

Problem solved - without a count of home invasion.

I think that would be the common sense approach.
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post #20 of 40
2/22/07 at 3:41am
I'm more than a little disturbed by the way some of you are sympathizing with this idiot who broke into a guy's home with a sword, and I sincerely hope that you live far, far away from me.
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post #21 of 40
2/22/07 at 3:53am
Seriously...since when is flagrant vigilantism something we should aspire to? Mind you, I get it...he had noble intentions. However, it's clear that had he just been a little more "noble", this could have been a slice first, ask questions later situation. I think this guy needs therapy more than he needs jail, but the guy watching porn isn't wrong here. He might have been inconsiderate, but that's it.
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post #22 of 40
2/22/07 at 3:44pm
I think all parties involved should be summarily executed, including the mom for letting her steve carrellish son have a cavalry sabre.
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post #23 of 40
2/22/07 at 4:17pm
It's weird. Nearly the exact same conversation about this story took place yesterday on another message board I sometimes frequent (since this is sort of a local news story here). A couple of nutballs were convinced that the problem with America is that it deters us all from being good samaritans by punishing people for breaking down the doors of neighbors who they think might be doing something illegal and brandishing a sword.

Like Devin, it didn't escape my attention that this particular sword-wielder is 39 years old, lives with his mom, and doesn't have a phone, plus he admits that he thought of knocking, but couldn't control himself and "what happened happened"... all of which suggests he's probably a lot more Travis Bickle than Zorro. I can't understand why people would sympathize with this jackass, since the fact that his neighbor wasn't doing anything to anyone (except himself, apparently) illustrates in very simple terms why this sort of vigilante behavior should be illegal.
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post #24 of 40
2/22/07 at 5:02pm
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Originally Posted by devincf
Or call the cops. That seems like the obvious option in "reality".
But he didn't have a phone! I agree he's responsible for any damage he caused, but I think his actions shouldn't result in arrest. From what I've heard so far it sounds like an honest mistake.
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post #25 of 40
2/22/07 at 5:13pm
He lives with his mom, has no phone, and has a cavalry sword. The other guy should have offered him some porn. He obviously needs it.
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post #26 of 40
2/22/07 at 5:24pm
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Originally Posted by Van Jones
From what I've heard so far it sounds like an honest mistake.
You heard the porn too? I feel a review of the disputed material is in order.
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post #27 of 40
2/22/07 at 5:31pm
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Originally Posted by Van Jones
But he didn't have a phone! I agree he's responsible for any damage he caused, but I think his actions shouldn't result in arrest. From what I've heard so far it sounds like an honest mistake.
I'm still not following how an honest mistake couldn't have manifested in... knocking?

All of the folks who think this guy is somehow innocent seem hung up on the idea of "what if there had been a rape going on?" Well, if we're playing that game, what if swashbuckling downstairs neighbor had gotten overzealous during his search for the supposed victim and actually injured porn guy? The "what if"s aren't really that important here, and the intent isn't even really important. This guy broke the law. Perhaps if there had been a rape going on, and he'd stopped it by breaking down the door, things would be different, but, as it stands, he's just a trespasser with a flawed idea of what a rape sounds like.
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post #28 of 40
2/22/07 at 5:42pm
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Originally Posted by DaveB
I'm still not following how an honest mistake couldn't have manifested in... knocking?
Yes, yes. As I said, I think he's responsible for any damage he did. But the intent was still a good one, and he didn't hurt anyone, right?
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post #29 of 40
2/22/07 at 6:17pm
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Originally Posted by Van Jones
Yes, yes. As I said, I think he's responsible for any damage he did. But the intent was still a good one, and he didn't hurt anyone, right?
I assume he's not going to be tried for hurting anyone, since he didn't do that. He'll be tried for breaking and entering or some variation on that. That's entirely appropriate, since it's exactly what he did.

It was an invasion of the other guy's privacy - consider his perspective for a minute. Let's take the porn out of the equation, since I think most folks would keep that quiet enough to not bother our neighbors. Instead, let's say you're watching a horror movie that happens to include a woman's heavy breathing and/or screaming, and it sounds very much like a rape happening. Or let's say you're just having noisy sex with your girlfriend/wife. If your psycho neighbor busted down your door, holding a sword, and repeatedly demanded "where is she?," are you telling me that "good intentions" would be enough for you to downplay the legal consequences he might face?
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post #30 of 40
2/22/07 at 6:41pm
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Originally Posted by DaveB
If your psycho neighbor busted down your door, holding a sword, and repeatedly demanded "where is she?," are you telling me that "good intentions" would be enough for you to downplay the legal consequences he might face?
This depends on what actually happened. Van Iveren said he heard a woman "screaming for help," and so reacted to that by invading another person's privacy with a weapon. I would hope that if most of us heard a women quite clearly screaming for help (i.e: no accompanying soundtrack, or obvious clues as to it being fake) and we didn't have a telephone, then we'd do something about it. But quite obviously, this guy went a bit too far with it, and now it's a case of deciding what an appropriate punishment is for that invasion of privacy. And I don't think a 33 month jail term is appropriate.
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post #31 of 40
2/22/07 at 7:14pm
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Originally Posted by Van Jones
I would hope that if most of us heard a women quite clearly screaming for help (i.e: no accompanying soundtrack, or obvious clues as to it being fake) and we didn't have a telephone, then we'd do something about it.
Yes. We'd knock on the door. We'd run to another neighbor's apartment to call the police or to enlist their help in figuring out what's going on.

We wouldn't:

A. Shoot several rounds into the apartment.
B. Attempt to set the apartment on fire.
C. Set killer bees loose under the door of the apartment.
D. Break the door down and swing a sword around.

There were easier and more effective ways to deal with the situation - he went with a crazy one. You still seem unable to look at this from the other guy's perspective. You're hung up on what any of us would have done in Van Iveren's shoes, but aren't considering how you would have felt if you were the neighbor. Let's assume you're mid-act, junk exposed, completely innocent of any wrongdoing, and some agitated wacko breaks down your door and comes in with a sword. Funny and harmless to us in retrospect, sure. Not so funny to him in the moment, I suspect.
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post #32 of 40
2/22/07 at 7:53pm
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Originally Posted by DaveB
We wouldn't:

D. Break the door down and swing a sword around.
We're not yet sure he did exactly that. The article also says that he "pounded on the door and kicked it open without warning" - i.e, he pounded on the door, and when there was no answer he kicked it open, and that "he didn't look anywhere in the apartment except the front room, and that he never threatened the neighbor with the sword."


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Originally Posted by DaveB
Let's assume you're mid-act, junk exposed, completely innocent of any wrongdoing, and some agitated wacko breaks down your door and comes in with a sword.
Completely innocent? Can we also address the issue about playing a film in which a screaming women is heard, at a loud enough volume that people on the next floor can hear? It's not exactly yelling 'fire' in a crowded theatre, but there's something to be said about doing something that gets you noticed and then complaining about being noticed.
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post #33 of 40
2/22/07 at 8:17pm
So far as legality goes, he's committed a classic case of assault. I'm too tired to think about defenses right now (been working nearly 30 straight hours), but he's got at least that much going for him.
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post #34 of 40
2/23/07 at 1:23am
Well, this story just got more insane. Apparently Connor MacLeod burst into the apartment about ten hours after he heard the "rape". Oh yeah, and the porn tape was called "Casa de Culo". Awesome.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=569088
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post #35 of 40
2/23/07 at 1:38am
NSFW-Now you, too, can own your own 'House of Ass'.
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post #36 of 40
2/23/07 at 2:26am
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Originally Posted by Van Jones
Completely innocent? Can we also address the issue about playing a film in which a screaming women is heard, at a loud enough volume that people on the next floor can hear? It's not exactly yelling 'fire' in a crowded theatre, but there's something to be said about doing something that gets you noticed and then complaining about being noticed.
He's not complaining about being noticed. A man broke into his home wielding a sword. I feel like you're not getting an essential aspect of this.
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post #37 of 40
2/23/07 at 3:36am
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Originally Posted by RathBandu
From the site:

Running time : 240 Minutes


That's one epic porn.
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post #38 of 40
2/26/07 at 1:48am
To anyone who's siding with this chubby Rasputin - did you take a good look at him?



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post #39 of 40
2/27/07 at 6:48pm
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Originally Posted by DaveB
C. Set killer bees loose under the door of the apartment.
Are they trained Killer Bees. Or just the Wicker Man remake variety?
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post #40 of 40
2/27/07 at 8:15pm
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Originally Posted by Jesse The Mind
He is staring into your souls.
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