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Halloween III: Season of the Witch, soo misunderstood!

post #1 of 24
2/22/07 at 11:10am
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It's such a good Sci-fi horror thriller that didn't deserve all the flack over the years! sure there's no Michael Myers but you have to remember that Michael died at the end of "Halloween 2", thus Carpenter had an idea to make the franchise into a series of different horror stories like an anthology in the tradition of "Creepshow", "Tales from The Crypt" or "Cat's Eye".

Unfortunately the idea blew in Carpenter's face when it bombed in theaters and fans demanded Michael back as he did when "Halloween 4" came out in 1988 with the anthology idea ended. I thought this was an interesting and different movie that combines technological sci-fi with occult horror just like "Evilspeak" or "Event Horizon" did, just have an open mind when to view this movie and forget about Michael for once & just try to enjoy the movie for what it tried to do.
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post #2 of 24
2/22/07 at 11:21am
This movie is ass.
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post #3 of 24
2/22/07 at 11:21am
I've always liked this movie. Michael or no Michael, it was an innovative, interesting story, and that usually gets me hooked. And the creepy song worked really well, too: "Three more days til Halloween, Halloween, Halloween. . . " The end really gets you wondering and picturing some pretty gruesome things, as well. Good show, overall.
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post #4 of 24
2/22/07 at 6:16pm
I really wish the series had followed the idea of a new story every Halloween. It could have been the best series of all time.

And I liked Halloween more than any of the sequels after part 2.
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post #5 of 24
2/22/07 at 6:48pm
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Originally Posted by CyrusGrissom
Carpenter had an idea to make the franchise into a series of different horror stories like an anthology.
Carpenter didn't even want the first sequel to be made, let alone this one. Tommy Lee Wallace wrote and directed H3:Season of the Witch (thus, it was his idea) with Carpenter and Hill producing.
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post #6 of 24
2/22/07 at 6:51pm
Yeah, but Carpenter wanted Myers dead and buried on his watch. That's why he bumped him off at the end of HALLOWEEN 2.

Also, this movie is so not ass. Dan O'Herlihy is some prime Shamrock ham.
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post #7 of 24
2/22/07 at 7:56pm
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Originally Posted by Ian Challis
Yeah, but Carpenter wanted Myers dead and buried on his watch. That's why he bumped him off at the end of HALLOWEEN 2.
Rick Rosenthal directed H2, so Michael died under his watch. John never wanted to be anywhere near the directors chair for this, or any other Halloween sequel.

Carpenter and Hill were adamantly against H2 from the get-go. They just succumed to pressure from Moustapha Akkad to write the screenplay, because if they hadn't, Akkad was going to get someone else to do it anyway. They were merely attempting to protect the integrity of the original Halloween in doing so.

John wanted Michael to die in H2 for one reason only--Dead Michael=No chance in hell for H3. It's just a shame it didn't work out that way.
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post #8 of 24
2/22/07 at 8:18pm
That was my point. H2 was Carpenter's last direct creative input into the series, and he wanted Myers dead so that he could bury the franchise. I never said he directed the thing.

Although the guy was touting his ideas for the reinvention of the franchise a coupla years back and said he'd love another crack at it, so I don't think he's quite as against revisiting it as you'd think.
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post #9 of 24
2/22/07 at 8:57pm
Not to mention Carpenter was involved with a screenplay for Halloween 4 that brought Myers back into the fold.
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post #10 of 24
2/22/07 at 9:33pm
I just got a copy of this from a friend. I'll have to check it out and report back my impressions.
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post #11 of 24
2/22/07 at 10:09pm
This movie is so great, I saw my dvd again on monday after not having seen it for a while, and it's still all kinds of greatness. Dan O'herlihy is a great villain, and Tom Atkins makes for a likable lead. The plot is so dark and ruthless, that the end isn't much of a surprise, and is pretty much a typical downbeat John Carpenter ending, despite the fact that it was his pal Tommy Lee Wallace who directed it.

The score is fantastic as well. Especially the tune that begins and ends the movie, "Chariots Of Pumpkins".
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post #12 of 24
2/22/07 at 11:09pm
It's a very flawed film. The pacing is shit. The love story goes nowhere (and the robot bit is damn goofy by the end). But O'Herlihy rules and I love the downbeat atmosphere.
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post #13 of 24
2/22/07 at 11:18pm
Not even counting that goddamned Silver Shamrock theme, the whole soundtrack is the worst thing ever. It's like leftover "times running out!" music from a game show.
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post #14 of 24
2/26/07 at 2:27pm
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll
Not even counting that goddamned Silver Shamrock theme, the whole soundtrack is the worst thing ever. It's like leftover "times running out!" music from a game show.
That's madness. the Season of the Witch soundtrack is easily the best of any Carpenter's soundtrack work. "Chariots of Pumpkins" is a classic.

Now, the flick itself is pretty good on it's own as well. I like the idea of Halloween being some other story other than Meyers, and I think this one worked. It was a crazy plot and what not, but fun to watch.
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post #15 of 24
2/26/07 at 6:40pm
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Originally Posted by Bay_Ridah26
Season of the Witch soundtrack is easily the best of any Carpenter's soundtrack work.
The original Halloween and H2 soundtracks are both superior. The Thing and Escape From New York soundtracks are superior. The score from Assault on Precinct 13 is superior...

Shall I continue?
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post #16 of 24
2/27/07 at 9:44am
Morricone scored THE THING. Not that I don't agree with your basic point.
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post #17 of 24
2/27/07 at 12:00pm
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Originally Posted by The Dark Shape
Not to mention Carpenter was involved with a screenplay for Halloween 4 that brought Myers back into the fold.
Really? I had no idea about this.

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Originally Posted by Uth Vaspetad
The original Halloween and H2 soundtracks are both superior. The Thing and Escape From New York soundtracks are superior. The score from Assault on Precinct 13 is superior...

Shall I continue?
I've always had a soft spot for his CHRISTINE score as well.
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post #18 of 24
2/27/07 at 12:15pm
CHRISTINE's fun when it comes to the music, but more for the vintage tunes that Carpenter picks to characterise the car. The use of "Little Bitty Pretty One" before Christine chases down Moochie Welch is inspired.
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post #19 of 24
2/27/07 at 12:26pm
I'm thinking the only misunderstanding about this terrible, terrible bit of 80's garbage is that people who claim to have enjoyed this film don't understand what incredibly poor taste they have. Stuttering pacing, bad acting on the part of all players involved (overacting does not make O'Herlihy good), the most annoying jingle in the history of broadcasting, and not a single shower scene with the spectacularly well endowed Stacey Nelkin to make any of it worthwhile.

This film is a travesty to horror cinema. We are less as a species for having created it. The current state of war and unrest in the world can be traced back and revealed to have been spawned by it's initial screening. It is an abomination to mankind. For those of you who claim to have enjoyed it...may god have mercy on your eternally damned souls.
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post #20 of 24
2/27/07 at 1:10pm
Well there's no need to be that harsh.

It's not a good movie at all.
Is it HIGHLY enjoyable for many of us? - absolutely.
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post #21 of 24
2/27/07 at 1:49pm
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Originally Posted by Ian Challis
CHRISTINE's fun when it comes to the music, but more for the vintage tunes that Carpenter picks to characterise the car. The use of "Little Bitty Pretty One" before Christine chases down Moochie Welch is inspired.
I do like the score though. It's not high art but I love the mood it helps create.
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post #22 of 24
2/27/07 at 2:49pm
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Originally Posted by Jonathan Banks is my hero
I've always had a soft spot for his CHRISTINE score as well.
yeah, I'm sticking to my guns. When I look at the halloween soundtracks I really listen to the most it's H3. Not that Carpenter's other scores are bad BY any means. They are all amazing. I would put Christine and Big Trouble in Little China up there as some of the greats of his too.
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post #23 of 24
2/27/07 at 3:10pm
"sooooo misunderstood," huh? Are we talking talented Goth artist who grows up to be Tim Burton misunderstood, future web comic creator misunderstood, unicorn-loving, LYAS/BFF-using misunderstood, or serial killer misunderstood?
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post #24 of 24
2/28/07 at 7:27pm
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Originally Posted by Death Surge
I'm thinking the only misunderstanding about this terrible, terrible bit of 80's garbage is that people who claim to have enjoyed this film don't understand what incredibly poor taste they have. Stuttering pacing, bad acting on the part of all players involved (overacting does not make O'Herlihy good), the most annoying jingle in the history of broadcasting, and not a single shower scene with the spectacularly well endowed Stacey Nelkin to make any of it worthwhile.

This film is a travesty to horror cinema. We are less as a species for having created it. The current state of war and unrest in the world can be traced back and revealed to have been spawned by it's initial screening. It is an abomination to mankind. For those of you who claim to have enjoyed it...may god have mercy on your eternally damned souls.
And I was just thinking to myself: "Haven't heard from Surge in awhile. . . wonder where he's been?"
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