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Back to the Future, Part II

post #1 of 78
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I just watched this again after a long absence. It's like a middle child that doesn't get the attention that the others do, but I love how complex the story is, and how dark the second act becomes. I do wish they hadn't shoehorned in Marty's "chicken" character flaw, but it doesn't sink anything.

A couple of little things I never noticed before:
  1. Charles Fleischer playing an old man in 2015 trying to save the clock tower, and a young mechanic in 1955 who fixes Biff's car, presumably the same character. I just think it's cool to do something like that with a cameo.
  2. A small inconsistency: in the newspaper that shows George's death in 1973, the headline is "Local Author Shot Dead". But according to the first film, George's first book isn't published until 1985.
  3. Why does Marty steal a matchbook from Biff's office? It only pays off as evidence that the future has been repaired, a function that the newspaper fulfills just as easily. And I don't see why he'd want it in his current situation.

The first act is a bit weak, but that couldn't be helped. They sort of limited their options by ending the first one the way they did, since they weren't really worrying about setting up a series at the time. But once they get out of 2015, there's a lot of gold to be had.

Incidentally, we're 8 years from that future. I'm not seeing any controlled weather, flying cars, hoverboards or holographic movie displays. Somebody needs to get crackin'.
post #2 of 78
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Originally Posted by Greg David
  1. A small inconsistency: in the newspaper that shows George's death in 1973, the headline is "Local Author Shot Dead". But according to the first film, George's first book isn't published until 1985.
What was he doing before then? Was he otherwise a writer? I realize it should then say "writer" or "journalist" or whatnot, but I was just wondering what he did before he got published.
post #3 of 78
George could have easily been a well-regarded short story author or journalist, known in the area but not outside of it. I believe the first draft of BTTF II has him as a college professor.
post #4 of 78
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Originally Posted by Greg David
2. A small inconsistency: in the newspaper that shows George's death in 1973, the headline is "Local Author Shot Dead". But according to the first film, George's first book isn't published until 1985.
What was he doing before then? Was he otherwise a writer? I realize it should then say "writer" or "journalist" or whatnot, but I was just wondering what he did before he got published.
post #5 of 78
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Originally Posted by Greg David
Incidentally, we're 8 years from that future. I'm not seeing any controlled weather, flying cars, hoverboards or holographic movie displays. Somebody needs to get crackin'.
http://www.posterwire.com/archives/2...movie-posters/
post #6 of 78
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Another little moment I forgot to mention: when Marty Jr is watching multiple channels on the big screen, one of the screens is a commercial showing a woman with large breasts with lights coming out of them. The text reads "Headlight TITS: 2 for 1 sale".
post #7 of 78
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Originally Posted by Greg David
[*]Why does Marty steal a matchbook from Biff's office? It only pays off as evidence that the future has been repaired, a function that the newspaper fulfills just as easily. And I don't see why he'd want it in his current situation.[/LIST]
Why would he take the matches?... Why does anyone take free matches? Because they're free. Hell if I went to the future, and then came back to my old time and found it was all fucked up, and my worst enemy now owned the town and married my mother AND he had his own matches for his Casino, I'd probably take some matches too.

It only pays off as evidence that the future has been repaired?

It would have taken him a lot longer to burn the sports almanac if he had to rub two sticks together.
post #8 of 78
It was always my least favorite of the trilogy,
but that means I haven't watched it as much as the others.
So now I am curious, as I remember less.
I do like the double 1955 and alternate 1985 - but I've always disliked the cheesy, colorful and grating future stuff.
post #9 of 78
I've probably seen II more times than I and III. I remember we had a black box back when it was released on home video and they played in on the payperview channel over and over again. I saw it plenty of times then. While I is the best, I will make the claim that II is the most rewatchable. Even though I own the dvd set, if BTTF II shows up on tv theres a pretty good chance I'll watch it (can't get enough of those ridiculous word changes) and I don't know if that would be true of I and III. III I also think is good, and has some great homages to the Leone westerns.
post #10 of 78
I love all three. For my money, it's the tightest, most consistent trilogy of all the post-1975 blockbusters. I went to a screening of all three films back-to-back-to-back and it was a blast. All of the repeated gags (like Marty waking up with Lorraine, or Marty on the run from Biff/Griff/Bufford in the town square) got funnier and funnier with an audience, for some reason, especially in such compressed succession.

If anyone hasn't watched all three in a row yet, I highly recommend it.
post #11 of 78
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Originally Posted by Greg David
[*]A small inconsistency: in the newspaper that shows George's death in 1973, the headline is "Local Author Shot Dead". But according to the first film, George's first book isn't published until 1985.
If I'm not mistaken when Lorraine takes the book (A Match Made in Space) out of the box she says, "Your first novel." Maybe George was writing non-fiction. Or just spending all his time at the country club.
post #12 of 78
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Originally Posted by Greg David
....Incidentally, we're 8 years from that future. I'm not seeing any controlled weather, flying cars, hoverboards or holographic movie displays. Somebody needs to get crackin'.
Where's the font of acquired wisdom that eludes me now?

When I was much younger, this was my favorite of the three because of all the radical future stuff (read: hoverboard). I know that was the case with a lot of kids, but it was doubly so for me. I freaked out a little bit the first time I saw the fake hoverboard prop in the BTTF ride's waiting room. Thankfully the slight measure of maturity I have developed over the years has allowed me to adore the original like few other films, but I agree with those who enjoy the trilogy as a whole despite the addition of tacked-on story elements. It just all still seems to work.

If nothing else, it has provided me with one of my most-used movie quotes:
"The easy way...."
post #13 of 78
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Originally Posted by RathBandu
George could have easily been a well-regarded short story author or journalist
Ditto. It was obvious when Marty came back to the future (I love when they say the name of the movie in the movie) that his father was already far more successful, and this was before his "first novel" arrived. So he must have been doing something right. I'm betting on short story writer.
post #14 of 78
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Originally Posted by Litmus Configuration
I love all three. For my money, it's the tightest, most consistent trilogy of all the post-1975 blockbusters. I went to a screening of all three films back-to-back-to-back and it was a blast. All of the repeated gags (like Marty waking up with Lorraine, or Marty on the run from Biff/Griff/Bufford in the town square) got funnier and funnier with an audience, for some reason, especially in such compressed succession.

If anyone hasn't watched all three in a row yet, I highly recommend it.
When Back to the Future Part III came out, they had a midnight showing preceded by Parts I & II. So at around 8:00, you paid one admission and got to see all three in a row on the big screen. It was great, and, as you say, the running gags really pay off when you see them in short order like that.
post #15 of 78
It's easily the most consistently great trilogy I can think of. And as pathetic as this will make me sound, I could probably more than one back-to-back-to-back screening in a row.
post #16 of 78
I like II a lot, the alternate 1985 is like watching Escape From New York. All it needed was a synth score. I also really like how they work around certain scenes from the original with the Marty from II. I've always liked that part of the movie.
post #17 of 78
I think BTTF 3 is weaker than JEDI, LAST CRUSADE, and RETURN OF THE KING.To my eyes, it's an incredibly forgettable Western send-up. The only part that was cool or memorable was Doc's "happy ending".

My experience seeing it in the theater was a disappointment similar to MATRIX REVOLUTIONS. I loved the first(obviously), and really appreciated the flawed but incredibly ambitious part 2 (although anecdotally, everyone I knew HATED IT!). But 3 ended up being just a diverting, forgettable western spoof. And I remember that kinda pissing me off at the time.


It's still seems pretty lightweight whenever I catch it on TBS ( which constantly plays that trilogy)
post #18 of 78
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There is very little that's weaker than Return of the Jedi.
post #19 of 78
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Originally Posted by Greg David
There is very little that's weaker than Return of the Jedi.
Well, aside from all three STAR WARS Prequels, LAST CRUSADE and RETURN OF THE KING...

Back to BTTF III, I think it's a fine conclusion to the trilogy. It has a lot of heart and is one of the most enjoyable Part IIIs I've ever seen. Perhaps it doesn't feel as special as other big sequels simply because it came out a mere six months after Part II but whereas Part II was about tight plotting and story/temporal mechanics, Part III is almost purely character-driven, which I love.
post #20 of 78
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Part III is different from the others in that it really slows everything down (in a good way, I mean). It's paced very differently, and, like you say, gets deeper into its characters than the others. I can see where some might take this to mean boring.

And all of those movies you mentioned are better than Return of the Jedi. All of them.
post #21 of 78
Fun fact: When I was a kid, I saw Part III first. Then I saw Part II, when I got the chance to rent it. Finally, I saw Part I for the first time in the late 90's.
post #22 of 78
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Originally Posted by Greg David
And all of those movies you mentioned are better than Return of the Jedi. All of them.
I'd rather watch the cast of the Original Trilogy in an admittedly uninspired story further diminshed by completely lifeless direction that is still puncutated by some thrilling action sequences, a wonderful score, still-amazing visual effects and a stirring final conflict between Luke, Vader and The Emperor than the bloated garbage that is "all of those movies" I mentioned.
post #23 of 78
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Originally Posted by Detonathor
Fun fact: When I was a kid, I saw Part III first. Then I saw Part II, when I got the chance to rent it. Finally, I saw Part I for the first time in the late 90's.
That's very Tarantino. Did any of it make sense?
post #24 of 78
Elizabeth Shue is hot.
post #25 of 78
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Originally Posted by Litmus Configuration
I'd rather watch the cast of the Original Trilogy in an admittedly uninspired story further diminshed by completely lifeless direction that is still puncutated by some thrilling action sequences, a wonderful score, still-amazing visual effects and a stirring final conflict between Luke, Vader and The Emperor than the bloated garbage that is "all of those movies" I mentioned.
Of course, I disagree, but that's an argument for another thread. Which I believe we've already had in another thread. Or two. I have this argument a lot, actually.
post #26 of 78
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Elizabeth Shue is hot.
I preferred Claudia Wells, myself. Not that Elizabeth Shue isn't hot; I'd still be all over Elizabeth Shue before she could say "Use a condom". I just wish they could have gotten the first Jennifer back for the sequels.
post #27 of 78
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Originally Posted by Greg David
That's very Tarantino. Did any of it make sense?
Sort of. It was pretty neat to watch it that way.
post #28 of 78
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Originally Posted by Greg David
Of course, I disagree, but that's an argument for another thread. Which I believe we've already had in another thread. Or two. I have this argument a lot, actually.
Have you ever considered why?

But hey, I totally agree about Claudia Wells! I used to have the major hots for Elizabeth Shue but she seems so completely vapid and bug-eyed braindead in her two FUTURE sequels that all those naughty memories of ADVENTURES IN BABYSITTING and COCKTAIL quickly evaporated.

Just checked out Claudia Wells' IMDb page...not much of a career following BTTF but based on her recent photo, she's looking pretty MILFy.
post #29 of 78
I still can't believe that this film had the gall to include the line:

"What's the matter, McFly? Got no SCROTE?"

This has led me to contract all terms for genitals into hilarious new terms in my everyday life.

I haven't seen III in a while, but really remember it being limp and having a lot of "What the hell?" factor. The first two are pretty time-travel-centric, only to be capped off by some weird Western pastiche with a guest appearance by ZZ Top.
post #30 of 78
As others have pointed out, you love MOONRAKER.
post #31 of 78
I'll kick you right in the peen if you keep up that attitude!
post #32 of 78
I watched 2 and 3 yesterday, (bescause of this thread actually), and besides finding my DVD of II is the fucked up version, (anyone know contact info?) I also found that part III is pretty damn enjoyable. I felt it had more of the feel and pacing of the first movie. But yeah, the ZZtop thing was lame.

Did anyone else think the MJFox daughter thing in part II was creepy?
post #33 of 78
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Originally Posted by hostiledm
Did anyone else think the MJFox daughter thing in part II was creepy?
Yeah, when I saw that on TBS a while back I wondered what was the deal with her. Then I found out that was Fox in drag.

Speakin of which, when the hell will we get our Cafe 80s, a place where it's always morning in America?
post #34 of 78
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Originally Posted by EdHocken
Speakin of which, when the hell will we get our Cafe 80s, a place where it's always morning in America?
The BTTF marathon that aired this weekend sucked me in, and I'd forgotten how Max Headroom-centric Cafe 80s was. They nailed some of the other 80s era stuff pretty well, but Max is one detail that'll probably make less sense to younger people watching it. I suppose it might just look like the Michael Jackson and Reagan waiter screens are just malfunctioning or something.
post #35 of 78
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Originally Posted by EdHocken
Yeah, when I saw that on TBS a while back I wondered what was the deal with her. Then I found out that was Fox in drag.
You had to *find that out*?
post #36 of 78
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Originally Posted by Ian Challis
You had to *find that out*?
Actually, I missed it at least the first time around, maybe the first two. But I've got a soft skull.

The product placement in Part II (all in 2015, IIRC) always stuck in my craw. Positively craw-sticking, it was.
post #37 of 78
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Originally Posted by hostiledm
Did anyone else think the MJFox daughter thing in part II was creepy?
Fox in Drag = Sister Zelda in "Pet Semetary"
*shudder*
post #38 of 78
I'm still trying to figure out what alternate universe I've stumbled into where Return of the King is considered a weak ending to a trilogy.
post #39 of 78
Litmus sure is crazy sometimes.
post #40 of 78
So, thanks to this thread, I am now watching Back to the Future II. I forgot how great the line "What happens in the future? What, do we become assholes or something?" was.

To address the issue with the matchbook, right as Doc, Marty and The Shue are flying away in 1985, Biff comes out in his green jumpsuit and says "Hey Marty, come check out these matchbooks I printed out for my auto detailing business."
post #41 of 78
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Well I understand the plotting reason for having the matches. But from Marty's viewpoint, I don't see his motivation for stealing a matchbook from Biff's desk in the tower. He makes a point of waiting until Biff's back is turned to do it, as if he has a sneaky plan for them. It's just kind of weird.
post #42 of 78
I've always gone with Marty's human instinct to take free shit when available as his reason to take the matchbooks.
post #43 of 78
Well, what I meant was it had been years since I saw BTTF II and when I saw it again on TBS I didn't quite understand what I was looking at. So a quick look at IMDB and there ya go, answered my question.
post #44 of 78
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Originally Posted by Ian Challis
Litmus sure is crazy sometimes.
As opposed to you, who are a worthless asshole all of the time.

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post #45 of 78
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Originally Posted by Ian Challis
Litmus sure is crazy sometimes.
I am. I really am.
post #46 of 78
This thread just became legendary.
post #47 of 78
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Now that was creative thread derailment at its most epic. I salute you.
post #48 of 78
Uh.....yeah. Whatever you say, big guy.

not to personal blog: discuss temporal manifestations of multiple personality disorder. request readers to send in nude pictures of Jessica Alba in the off chance that any future personalities get loose again, and change name of blog without telling anyone.
post #49 of 78
You spelled "accelerating" wrong.
post #50 of 78
I also really enjoyed Part II. It doesn't feel as complete a film as Part I, but the exploration of the conundrums of time travel is highly entertaining. Part III I've never been able to sit all the way through. It just seems bland and limp next to the first two.
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