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post #1 of 26
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David Frum -- that delightful pip that brought "axis of evil" into our collective vocabulary -- recently experienced the first two episodes of Fox's response to The Daily Show and the Colbert Report. He was less than impressed:

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"1/2 Hour" Revisited

I DVR'd the next "1/2 Hour News Hour" on Sunday night and settled in to watch last night. The first episode at least had some emotional impact: "I can't believe how bad this is!" With episode 2, the surprise has all vanished. One just sits there wondering how long the show can last. The show jokes that it offers "an hour's worth of news in half an hour - or it's free." All I can say is that the show certainly feels like it lasts an hour.

This week, the show's writers had a good idea: Remember all those news stories four and five years ago about 8-year-old boys being accused of sexual harassment because they pinched an 8-year-old girl? Let's do a pretend hidden-camera investigation of pre-school sexual predators, like something you'd see on a local news show.

Could have been funny - had the concept not completely exhausted the writers creativity. The actual bit itself was dreary.

Another extended joke had an expert being stumped by the two hosts as they delivered a long list of names of accused terrorists, Mohammed bin Ahmed, that kind of thing, and wondered aloud what these people could possibly have in common. That was funny when Little Green Footballs did it after the 7/7 bombings in 2005, and still kind of funny when Canadian bloggers did it after the Toronto arrests in the summer of 2006. But of course the producers of the "1/2 Hour News Hour" work on the assumption that their audience is too palsied and out-of-it to have heard anything before.

The hosts are not getting any better either.

Joel Surnow told NRO on Friday that he wanted to produce a program that would set Michael Moore's hair on fire. He has not done it. More seriously, he has failed to do something much more important: create a conservative institution with cultural power. The Daily Show and now Steven Colbert have taught a generation of college students that Republicans are ridiculous, absurd, hopelessly past it. And their work has had an effect: today's 20-somethings are more Democratic than any equivalent cohort since World War II.

"The 1/2 Hour News Show" does not counteract Comedy Central's clever cultural sabotage. On the contrary: it contributes to it. If there is anyone under 72 still watching it, they are not thinking, "Gee - conservatives can tell a joke." They are thinking, "Conservatives are a joke."
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Why I thought this was interesting, beyond the being a spot-on review of this monstrosity, is the underlying theme that but for Colbert and Stewart, Conservatives would be riding high on a wave of hip cultural sentiments.

That's bullshit. I know Jonah Goldberg and his ilk tried to make conservatives "hip" by labeling themselves "South Park Conservatives" some years back. That fell on it's silly face, as it deserved to, because if there's one thing conservatives isn't it's hip. Given the stodgy, authoritarian nature of their philosophy, it's impossible to be funny or hip. Their humor consists of taking basic "truths" (like Michael Moore is stupid, Liberals are fags, and Muslims are terrorists) and repeating it over and over again. Dennis Miller is not funny, Goldberg is not funny, and no one attempting conservative political humor is funny. Really -- when you think the world is flat, how can you make fun of someone else.
post #2 of 26
Way to steal the title from "This Hour Has 22 Minutes".
post #3 of 26
Not to mention the late 80's MTV series "The Half-Hour Comedy Hour"...
post #4 of 26
Conservatives are not funny.
post #5 of 26
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Originally Posted by General Zod
Conservatives are not funny.
As others have pointed out the problem with Conservatives trying to be funny is that they control the power. Truly great comedy has to come from a sense of powerlessness. Richard Pryor was pissed off at the status quo so he was funny. Lenny Bruce was the same way. The Daily Show writers were pissed that the so-called news never actualy delivered good quality news so they made fun of it.

Which is the other issue. Stewart himslef may be a good ol' lefty but that show is making fun of the news much more so then conservatives. It's just that the conservatives make all the news. They are just as likely to make fun of the Democrats and the lefties if they do something stupid. It just seems like the Republicans have specialized in stupidity recently.
post #6 of 26
Yeah, people seem to forget how much Stewert and company rode Clinton's ass when he was in office. They haven't gone any easier on the Democratically-controlled Congress, either. If a Democrat wins in '08, you can bet they'll roast them too.
post #7 of 26
Left or right, the show sucks. Ideology has nothing to do with bad writing and performances. Look at 24. A lot of the guys behind the show are conservative and it is consistently the funniest show on tv.
post #8 of 26
Did any one watch the second episode? Was it just me or did it end at 10:23?

I have to confess, I am completely addicted to the show. I hear it got picked up and I can't wait for it to come back. It's so poorly made, it's like going to a really terrible community theater improv show except I can feel perfectly comfortable mocking them. You can't buy that kind of entertainment. There is nothing like laughing at the incompetence of bad comedians.
post #9 of 26
Yeah, it really gets me when people "blame" media figures, even through backhanded praise like Frum does, for people leaning to the left. It seems like a tacit admission that they, the Republicans, don't believe their viewpoint is worth any more than the left's, and that it's all just a matter of salesmanship; that if they could just come up with someone funny and charming and hip, the college crowd would be flocking to the right. Because they're so stupid and impressionable, you see.
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Originally Posted by General Zod
Conservatives are not funny.
South Park's Parker and Stone identify as conservatives.

Mike Judge's King of the Hill has a conservative streak as well.
post #11 of 26
Parker and Stone say they have conservative leanings, but they're practically communists compared to the average portrait of what you'd call a Republican these days.

And King of the Hill's conservative streak is mostly satire. Well-natured satire, but I don't think it reflects Judge's personal politics in any way.
post #12 of 26
Conservatism kills funny:

post #13 of 26
Yeah, I wouldn't say that Parker/Stone or Judge are dyed-in-the-wool conservatives. King of the Hill is gentle and good-natured in its satire of, well, everything, but notably conservatism. South Park is really aggressive in its satire of, well, everything, most notably liberalism. That doesn't mean they're total partisans.
post #14 of 26
In fact, South Park has become more vocal in its criticism of republicans (though not necessarily conservatives) in the last season or two.
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Originally Posted by Chavez
South Park's Parker and Stone identify as conservatives.

Mike Judge's King of the Hill has a conservative streak as well.
The SP boys have said they HATE conservatives, but they also hate liberals so that's why they take shots at both with such zeal.

King of the Hill is all about Hank's character (and Dale to the extreme) being conservative. It's such a fertile ground for comedic moments. Hank getting exasperated over anything outside of his realm of acceptability is why the show works so great. I seriously doubt Judge gives one red fuck about left or right wing leanings. I hope not anyway.
post #16 of 26
Conservatives are not funny, but making fun of them always is.
post #17 of 26
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Originally Posted by Ryan S~
. It just seems like the Republicans have specialized in stupidity recently.
Recently?
post #18 of 26
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Originally Posted by 70sCinema
Conservatism kills funny:


Saw him on Leno recently. I was hoping the old spark had returned. For one brief shining moment it had as his support for Bush appeared to have waned, but he was still no longer funny.
post #19 of 26
In order to be funny as a conservative you must play up two loathsome characteristics most Republican conservatives love to embrace.

1. The hatred of minorities, women and homosexuals.

2. The love of greed and the ability to make money at all costs.

Without that, conservatives are not funny and with it, they are disgusting lowlifes.

Perfect example, Rusty Limpbag who always comes off as a smug, desperate asshole.
post #20 of 26
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Originally Posted by General Zod
In order to be funny as a conservative you must play up two loathsome characteristics most Republican conservatives love to embrace.

1. The hatred of minorities, women and homosexuals.

2. The love of greed and the ability to make money at all costs.

Without that, conservatives are not funny and with it, they are disgusting lowlifes.

Perfect example, Rusty Limpbag who always comes off as a smug, desperate asshole.
Sooooooooooooooo...
with those thoughts in mind, you're saying repubicans/conservatives should be MORE funny?...or ARE more FUNNY?

I've ALWAYS found them funny.

...But I'm a clown, crying on the 'inside'...
post #21 of 26
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Originally Posted by jonvoight's car
Left or right, the show sucks. Ideology has nothing to do with bad writing and performances. Look at 24. A lot of the guys behind the show are conservative and it is consistently the funniest show on tv.
I don't think its intentional.
post #22 of 26
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Originally Posted by General Zod
The SP boys have said they HATE conservatives, but they also hate liberals so that's why they take shots at both with such zeal.
I only heard them say they enjoy mocking liberals, which true enough does not necessarily make them conservatives. But it would be tough to call Team America: World Police anything BUT a conservative comedy; they are not satirizing many things but not the position that terrorists must be killed.
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King of the Hill is all about Hank's character (and Dale to the extreme) being conservative. It's such a fertile ground for comedic moments. Hank getting exasperated over anything outside of his realm of acceptability is why the show works so great. I seriously doubt Judge gives one red fuck about left or right wing leanings. I hope not anyway.
I doubt Judge gives a fuck either; but two of the major characters are conservatives - one is a cartoon (Dale) but at the end of an episode, Hank is right about things far more often than he is wrong - he's no fool a la Homer Simpson.

I think the main issue is that "conservative" comedy doesn't need to be UNfunny - as mentioned above, The Daily Show and tons of other people have certainly made some hay on liberal weenies doing weenie-ish things. I think most comics are iconoclasts - Lewis Black calls bullshit on the liberal when he sees it; it's just that at this point in time the right's bullshit is so much more prevalent.
post #23 of 26
Thread Starter 
Modern Conservatives aren't funny because most modern conservatives are angry middle-aged white guys. There the same assholes who sit in the company lunch room and bitch about the news. There is nothing funny about that.

Furthermore, the modern conservative has to, implicitly, defend the modern conservative movement. A movement which is largely indefensible. There is nothing funny about wanting to turn back the clocks in America to 1801.
post #24 of 26
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Originally Posted by Chavez
I only heard them say they enjoy mocking liberals, which true enough does not necessarily make them conservatives. But it would be tough to call Team America: World Police anything BUT a conservative comedy; they are not satirizing many things but not the position that terrorists must be killed.

I doubt Judge gives a fuck either; but two of the major characters are conservatives - one is a cartoon (Dale) but at the end of an episode, Hank is right about things far more often than he is wrong - he's no fool a la Homer Simpson.

I think the main issue is that "conservative" comedy doesn't need to be UNfunny - as mentioned above, The Daily Show and tons of other people have certainly made some hay on liberal weenies doing weenie-ish things. I think most comics are iconoclasts - Lewis Black calls bullshit on the liberal when he sees it; it's just that at this point in time the right's bullshit is so much more prevalent.
It's easy to see that the SP kids might be conservative, but thats only because their liberal targets provide more material.
post #25 of 26
For a pathetic excuse of a conservative, listen to Mike Savage. It's like listening to my grandmother complain about EVERYTHING. For every good point he makes, he shoots it down with his hatred of everyone.
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Originally Posted by General Zod
For a pathetic excuse of a conservative, listen to Mike Savage. It's like listening to my grandmother complain about EVERYTHING. For every good point he makes, he shoots it down with his hatred of everyone.

Now THAT guy's a disgusting person.
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