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Wilco - "Sky Blue Sky" (05/15/2007)

post #1 of 33
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Rather than hijack the entire 2007 Post-Release (or Post-Leak) Thread discussion, I'd like to use this spot for discussion on the new Wilco album. __________________________________________________
[My response to captain supermarket's comments in the post-leak thread...]
Of course this is just my opinion, but I really think that's your loss because Wilco is still one of the best bands out there today. After some further listening I've come to believe that, if Sky Blue Sky had come from a band that hadn't already set their bar so high, I'd probably be gushing over it. It is highly listenable stuff, but my intro to this band was Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, an album that floored me immediately. I don't think I've heard a new rock album since YHF that has struck me like that. And I'm anxious to have that kind of experience again.

Here is some more discussion about Sky Blue Sky from the post-leak thread:

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Originally Posted by captain supermarket on 03/10/2007 -
...and it looks like I'll keep my expectations low for Wilco's new one, although I've never really been a big fan of theirs.
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Originally Posted by RyanC on 03/09/2007 -
I too have listened to Wilco's Sky Blue Sky. Based on some of the stuff the new lineup has played live, I was expecting something generally mellower and closer to "alt-country" than Wilco's last 2 albums. But with Nels Cline in the fold, I also expected a couple of delightfully warped tracks. What I'm hearing, though, is far closer to my former description, and nothing that groundbreaking. It's still a pretty solid and mature collection of tunes. I'm just not yet sure if it's lack of transcendental moments (like most of YHF and parts of AGIB) is a dissapointment or not. But I'll take a reliable album over a stinker anyday. Maybe it's just a grower.
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Originally Posted by DaveB on 03/08/2007 -
In the last day or so, I've had the opportunity to listen to the new Modest Mouse, Wilco, and Ted Leo albums.

I'm sure I'll be able to elaborate more later, but the Wilco is probably going to be hardest to get into. It's easily their mellowest release, and it's sort of surprisingly low-key in light of it being the first Nels Cline-era studio album. A couple songs remind me of Abbey Road-era Beatles, but it mostly has sort of a 70s soft rock vibe with some great noodle-y guitar solos. It's far less diverse than A Ghost Is Born, but I don't think that's necessarily a weakness.
post #2 of 33
I listened to the stream last weekend. It sounded like Being There to me, which is my second favorite Wilco album. I tried not to listen too intently, so the album would be brand new when I buy it.

I liked what I heard. Different, but completely Wilco.
post #3 of 33
After a couple listens, its slowly growing on me. I do like the psychedelic touches they have kept. The first track is complete garbage, in my opinion though. The guitar work on that one is total musak.
post #4 of 33
After listening to it some more, I have to add Television to the list of unlikely influences on here, mainly due to Tweedy and Cline's intertwining solo bits.

I guess the surprising thing is that it seems so modest. Being There, Summerteeth, and YHF all had sort of a drive to make things bigger and more expansive; A Ghost is Born undercut some of that energy for the sake of experimentation, but it still sounded like a band striving to reach some different level. Sky Blue Sky sounds like a fully confident band making music that's, by now, fairly easy for them to make, and they're clearly having fun doing it. It's chief character trait seems to be contentedness, which is sort of weird. I still like it, but it's more soothing (and I like the first track specifically because of that quality, actually) than challenging or moving.
post #5 of 33
Actually "Either Way" sounds like it could have been on one of the Mermaid Avenue discs. Which for the most part is complement I'm not sure it desires. Lyrically, its nearly identical to At Least That's What You Said. I love the organ on Either Way, its just that the guitar solo is so smooth jazz that it throws the track off.

It's not that I don't like soothing music; I'm actually just now getting into Iron and Wine.
post #6 of 33
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I don't own the Mermaid Avenue discs, but I have heard some great tracks from them ("California Stars", "One By One", "Airline to Heaven", etc). You know, from the first time that I heard "Either Way", it reminded me of some mid-to-late 60s Beatles stuff. And that, my friend, is certainly a compliment.

I'm gradually growing into Sky Blue Sky, but I can already tell that a lot of these songs will sound great live.

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Originally Posted by JWinge1, Napoleon in Rags
Actually "Either Way" sounds like it could have been on one of the Mermaid Avenue discs. Which for the most part is complement I'm not sure it desires. Lyrically, its nearly identical to At Least That's What You Said. I love the organ on Either Way, its just that the guitar solo is so smooth jazz that it throws the track off.

It's not that I don't like soothing music; I'm actually just now getting into Iron and Wine.
post #7 of 33
For some reason I can't edit right now, so I'll just put that I meant I don't think "Either Way" DESERVES (I mistakenly typed "desires") the comparison to Mermaid Avenue in terms of quality, although it does in terms of style and tone.

Anyway, how about some thoughts about the rest of the track. Some people seem to love Walken and What Light.
post #8 of 33
I love it. AGIB is my favorite of their albums and I feel like this is a nice follow up. Favorite tracks so far are either way, side with the seeds, impossible germany & walken. I really like the relaxed feel of the whole thing. It seems to me that the mellowness of the album is indicative of Tweedy being in a better place (without the pain of the migraines, etc.) than during the recording of the last few albums.

Some pretty cool recent comments from band members regarding the album and the leak

Nels has this to say about the new Wilco album:

"Out May 15th. There will no doubt be a ton of hype and maybe concomitant dread around this much-anticipated release - the first studio recording of the band with Pat Sansone and yours truly as members. I have never been involved with a "much-anticipated" release! I think I will just sit back and watch the parade... No amount of hype, dread, or blather can detract from my satisfaction with the music on this record. It was recorded totally independently in Chicago in the Wilco loft, and the experience was rewarding, relaxed, and fruitful."

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From Billboard:

In what is becoming something of an unfortunate tradition, Wilco's new Nonesuch album, "Sky Blue Sky," has leaked online, more than two months prior to its May 15 release date.

The group's 2002 album "Yankee Hotel Foxtrot" was online for nine months before it was eventually released in stores, and 2004's "A Ghost Is Born" also hit the Internet well before street date. In the latter instance, Wilco fan site Justafan.org asked fans who had downloaded the album early to donate money to Doctors Without Borders, a fund which eventually grew to $15,000.

"There's probably some good argument to be made that it will prevent a few people from buying the record," Wilco frontman Jeff Tweedy told Billboard yesterday (March 8) at the band's Chicago loft. "But there's also the idea that I believe is true for us, which is, it's people listening to our music."

"We feel very proud of our record and we want people to hear it. Ultimately, that's the goal," he continued. "I think most people will do the right thing and support us and buy the record, even if they have downloaded it."

"Frankly, I would like to have people get a head start on knowing the material before we come to whatever town they live in," bassist John Stirratt added with a laugh.

To stem the tide, the group will stream "Sky Blue Sky" from 9 a.m to 9 p.m. ET this Sunday (March 11) on its official Web site.

"We've always viewed the whole thing as similar to radio," Wilco manager Tony Margherita tells Billboard. "We were prepared for it to leak as soon as the first advance CD went out. That's just part and parcel of the deal. As with previous records, our plan was and is to give people another way to hear the record besides the download, since these often sound like crap and are a pain in the ass for people who don't have a lot of time or are not super tech-savvy."

Wilco will get busy on the road beginning April 16 in Brisbane, Australia.


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I find the comments about the leak to be a little strange, particularly about them streaming the album to tide the leak, when the only versions currently available online are rips from their own stream from last week. On the other hand, it could be seen as smart marketing to flood the net with a low bitrate stream, so that all the downloaders will still be excited to buy the album and experience it in full quality.
post #9 of 33
I'm really starting to like You Are My Face.
post #10 of 33
Okay, I've flipped. Its great.
post #11 of 33
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Originally Posted by JWinge1, Napoleon in Rags
Okay, I've flipped. Its great.
I agree (you mean the whole album, right?) and, although it's kind of lame to procrastinate yet again, I'm not yet prepared to do a track-by-track assessment. DaveB is better at that kind of thing anyway, so maybe he'll do one first. I also kind of want to wait until closer to the official release after more people have had a chance to listen to it. But my general opinion of SBS is that it is another classic Wilco album. Admittedly, I'm a pretty devoted fan, but I'm not too programmed to confess that I was never blown away by A Ghost Is Born. Well, apparently I'm not obligated to Wilco enough to shell out over $100 for 2 tickets to their upcoming Atlanta show. But I'm always tight on funds, so I have to be pretty choosy about which concerts I attend. But there is no doubt that I'll be scouring the web this year in search of decent quality audio and video bootlegs of 2007 Wilco shows. I haven't found a lot of new footage yet, but this is a pretty good Youtube find:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITOOui5LD9s
post #12 of 33
I am really digging this album a lot more than I originally thought I would. It's a laid back album and it reminds me a little bit of Calexico, just on some songs though.
post #13 of 33
didn't really grab me the first time I listened to it, but after a couple of listens I"m really starting to enjoy it.
post #14 of 33
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I don't mean to sound like a shill here, but I ordered the Deluxe CD/DVD of the album through the official site and got a pretty good deal. Pre-orders come with a free video download and an entry into some contests. My video download is the band performing "Hate It Here" in their loft. I don't know if they switch-up the video downloads or if this the only one, but it's pretty nice.

I wish I could've gotten tickets to their Atlanta show, but paying too much for concert tickets doesn't sit well with me.
post #15 of 33
Anybody here own/seen the "I'm Trying to Break Your Heart" DVD?
post #16 of 33
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Originally Posted by Tomas Mejor
Anybody here own/seen the "I'm Trying to Break Your Heart" DVD?
My reply is going to include some rambling here...

I picked that movie up a few years ago after a friend played me some of Yankee Hotel Foxtrot. Soon afterwards, I bought Summerteeth which still holds up very well for the most part. But then I got my hands on YHF and I fell hard for that album. I was really disappointed by just about everything in the realm of "rock and roll" at the time. YHF helped restore my faith in "popular" music in a pretty significant way (classic jazz was filling some of that void then, though). Next, I quickly picked up the remaining Wilco albums on disc and I've been a big fan ever since. But, for me, nothing they've recorded since quite compares to hearing YHF for the first time.

Back to IATTBYH, what a great documentary that is. One of my all-time favorite music-related films in fact. I watched it after hearing YHF a few times and the real-life soap opera in the doc adds another layer to the mystique of the album (and possibly to some of the ambiguous lyrics). I don't know if it's just me, but for some reason, I was moved by their bare-bones performance of "Pot Kettle Black" after Jay Bennett's exit. Without Jay, there was a bittersweetness to hearing/seeing Wilco carry on without the dynamics that Jay had added to their palette. Those first post-Jay shows were the sound of a smaller Wilco still hammering away and determined to share music from their red-headed stepchild of a masterpiece.

Maybe my love for a good music seems silly and impassioned. But it's difficult for me to separate how things were in my own life from whatever playlist I had going at a given time. Don't even get me started on Hendrix's Electric Ladyland.
post #17 of 33
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Originally Posted by RyanC
Without Jay, there was a bittersweetness to hearing/seeing Wilco carry on without the dynamics that Jay had added to their palette. Those first post-Jay shows were the sound of a smaller Wilco still hammering away and determined to share music from their red-headed stepchild of a masterpiece.
I still say that, while they played good shows after Bennett left, they didn't really recapture the live spark of the Bennett days until Nels Cline joined up, and, with him, it's an entirely different spark. I saw them three times with Bennett (circa Mermaid Avenue 1, then Summerteeth, then pre-YHF), two post-Bennett without Cline (YHF, just before A Ghost Is Born), and once with Cline. The best shows were easily the first two and the last one. The last show I saw with Bennett pre-YHF was possibly the worst, which I now attribute partially to the band not getting along. The first post-YHF show wasn't so hot either, with the band operating as a four-piece and Tweedy sticking mostly to acoustic guitar and Bach sticking mostly to keys (no lead guitar on "Ashes of American Flags!").

I still wish the new album had more dynamic stuff a la YHF, as well as more opportunities for Cline to tear it up, but I'm starting to like it more than I did initially.
post #18 of 33
I think this album needs more listens to enjoy it. I didn't like the first time I heard it, but the more I listened to it the more I loved it. I am going to order the CD/DVD soon. Also iTunes has a pre-order with and Extra track and a video.

I don't think they will ever do anything as good as YHF again though.
post #19 of 33
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Originally Posted by DaveB
I still say that, while they played good shows after Bennett left, they didn't really recapture the live spark of the Bennett days until Nels Cline joined up, and, with him, it's an entirely different spark. I saw them three times with Bennett (circa Mermaid Avenue 1, then Summerteeth, then pre-YHF), two post-Bennett without Cline (YHF, just before A Ghost Is Born), and once with Cline. The best shows were easily the first two and the last one. The last show I saw with Bennett pre-YHF was possibly the worst, which I now attribute partially to the band not getting along. The first post-YHF show wasn't so hot either, with the band operating as a four-piece and Tweedy sticking mostly to acoustic guitar and Bach sticking mostly to keys (no lead guitar on "Ashes of American Flags!").
Yes, I agree. Overall, I don't think the band ever returned to full capacity of any form until Cline joined. What I meant about those initial post-Jay shows is that there were some engaging raw moments onstage even though the group just had one of their limbs chopped off. In general, they were struggling to find their way during this period, but their little-engine-that-could would shine all by itself, occasionally. Dave, deja vu just arrived. Because I think that you and I had almost this precise discussion a while back on the boards. Doesn't matter, just funny.

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I still wish the new album had more dynamic stuff a la YHF, as well as more opportunities for Cline to tear it up, but I'm starting to like it more than I did initially.
Those are exactly the things that I wanted from this album, but didn't get. However, I'm not as dissapointed by that as I'd expect to be had someone described it to me before I listened to it. Sky Blue Sky is a mellow, content, gorgeous group of songs. I think of it as the more sophisticated older sibling of Being There. I'm digging it highly and think SBS might become my 2nd or 3rd favorite Wilco album.
post #20 of 33
So I waited and fought the urge to download it. I listened to it late last night as I was falling asleep. It's really quite beautiful. Reminds me of summertime and sunshine. It's like a lullaby for depressed people.

I hope it stays this good.
post #21 of 33
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Originally Posted by Dranbon
So I waited and fought the urge to download it. I listened to it late last night as I was falling asleep. It's really quite beautiful. Reminds me of summertime and sunshine. It's like a lullaby for depressed people.

I hope it stays this good.


well so far I keep liking it more and more each time I listen to it. Sat out on my friends dock the othernight and watched the sunrise while listening to it. fantastic experience.
post #22 of 33
I picked it up yesterday, totally forgetting about the CD/DVD combo that was also released; the DVD sounds pretty cool, too--has anyone watched it? The album itself is great, though. I didn't really have any expectations so, unlike alot of people who I think were expecting the second coming of YHF, I really enjoyed it for what it is. I've only listened through once, so I can't really comment more than that.
post #23 of 33
I watched some of the DVD last night. It is a Documentarty with some live performances in their practice space. It is shot really well.
post #24 of 33
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Originally Posted by Rene A. Moncivais
I watched some of the DVD last night. It is a Documentarty with some live performances in their practice space. It is shot really well.
I just got my CD/DVD in the mail today and I'm watching it right now. Glad to see a little of which parts Niles Cline plays versus Tweedy. Prior to the DVD, there were a lot of spots where I wasn't sure. Being familiar with a lot of Cline's other projects, I remember how odd it struck me when I first read that he was joining Wilco. But now, seeing him connect with the other guys, he seems so essential to the evolution of this band. If you know Niles, he seems pretty reigned-in on Sky Blue Sky. But I think his playing is really beautiful on this album.

Personally, I've had a really tough past couple of years, so I agree with the poster who called SBS "a lullaby for depressed people". Some of the lyrics really hit home for me right now, sometimes unbearably so. There is a soulfulness on the new album that I believe Wilco had been missing for a while (probably since Bennett left). So it makes sense when Tweedy states in all of the recent interviews that that the current members add up to the most cohesive/comfortable version of the band yet. I've come to love Sky Blue Sky for what it is. But this lineup has the ability to create some really amazing stuff. I'm already looking forward to where they'll go with the next album. I feel like Sky Blue Sky is a rock album for grown people who are trying to cope with the pressures of everyday life in America. I'm hoping that the next album will be for everybody. But to do that, they'll need to rock our faces off and twist things up a bit more than this time around.
post #25 of 33
I would have to say, in the battle of the post-Uncle Tupelo bands' 2007 releases, Son Volt's "The Search" has a slight edge of this one.
post #26 of 33
Really? Methamphetamine is certainly my song of the week, but there seems to be plenty of misses for me on "The Search."
post #27 of 33
I'm really liking this. I'm not the most hardcore Wilco fan (I only have YHFT and AGIB), but I think this ranks up close to those. I like Wilco at their most poppy, so my favorite songs so far are "Impossibe Germany" and "Hate it Here". Sadly, there is no song as catchy as "Heavy Metal Drummer" or "I'm a Wheel".
post #28 of 33
Picked up the CD/DVD combo last weekend, listened to the CD once, watched the DVD once, went to my wife and said, "I think I love that album just a little bit." Since then I've listened a couple more times and it's only gotten better. There's a breezy intimacy to these songs that I think some reviewers have confused as slight even though the emotional depth is as strong as anything Wilco has previously done.

The songs are also heightened by a production that actually sounds like a live band performance, as opposed to meshed individual playing. Soundscapes and distortion are fine and all, but after the combo of YHF and AGIB, it's refreshing to hear some finely crafted stripped down tunes.
post #29 of 33
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Originally Posted by Jesse_Temple
I'm really liking this. I'm not the most hardcore Wilco fan (I only have YHFT and AGIB), but I think this ranks up close to those. I like Wilco at their most poppy, so my favorite songs so far are "Impossibe Germany" and "Hate it Here". Sadly, there is no song as catchy as "Heavy Metal Drummer" or "I'm a Wheel".
If you like that side of Wilco, you should really pick up Summerteeth. It's easily their poppiest.

The DVD for Sky Blue Sky is enlightening. I'm enjoying the album more and more these days, and that sort of put it over the top (especially "Impossible Germany").

I think it was either in the Onion AV Club or Pitchfork interview that Tweedy dismissed claims that Sky Blue Sky and A Ghost Is Born are less impressive than YHF. I see where he's coming from - they're more naked-sounding with fewer things added after the fact. Additionally, he argues that the compositions are more complex in terms of chord changes and structure. That makes sense, actually. Most of the YHF tracks are quite simple in terms of songwriting, but they're given weight by the layered arrangements and lots of overdubs.

I guess I see his point, but I still have to give YHF the edge. The atmospherics may just be ornamentation, but they're so distinctive and marvelously applied that it kind of stands above the others (this is the case with Summerteeth, to a lesser degree, as well). Still, his comments made me look at Sky Blue Sky in a different way. I also like that the lyrics are Tweedy's most direct in some time.
post #30 of 33
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Originally Posted by DaveB
...I think it was either in the Onion AV Club or Pitchfork interview that Tweedy dismissed claims that Sky Blue Sky and A Ghost Is Born are less impressive than YHF. I see where he's coming from - they're more naked-sounding with fewer things added after the fact. Additionally, he argues that the compositions are more complex in terms of chord changes and structure. That makes sense, actually. Most of the YHF tracks are quite simple in terms of songwriting, but they're given weight by the layered arrangements and lots of overdubs.
Good way to put it. I read the Pitchfork interview last week and while I understand most of what Tweedy was saying, he can be so friggin' touchy about how other people perceive his art. I mean, what is his hang-up over the term "experimental"? Somewhere in the interview, he says that Wilco has "never been very experimental" and I think that's kind of ridiculous. Maybe he really does see it that way, but if the album Yankee Hotel Foxtrot wasn't an effort to push the band's sound in a new, adventurous direction, then I'd rather keep fooling myself into thinking so. But I can accept that some of the playing on Sky Blue Sky is more complex, just not souped up with layers, overdubs, etc. Anyway, I enjoy their music, however someone chooses to describe it.

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Originally Posted by DaveB
...I guess I see his point, but I still have to give YHF the edge. The atmospherics may just be ornamentation, but they're so distinctive and marvelously applied that it kind of stands above the others (this is the case with Summerteeth, to a lesser degree, as well). Still, his comments made me look at Sky Blue Sky in a different way. I also like that the lyrics are Tweedy's most direct in some time.
I echo your reasoning precisely for giving YHF the edge. While I've liked Sky Blue Sky since I first heard it, it's still a grower and the DVD has deepened my appreciation for it. I'm a sucker for these behind the recording of __ DVDs. Watching/hearing someone speak passionately about the music that they created and where they're coming from is icing on the cake to me.

All of these bonuses you get from the official site for buying the album have been a treat. It's good that there are some bands out there like Wilco who seem to sincerely appreciate their fans.
post #31 of 33
So I just saw Wilco live the other night, and yeah, they're pretty much the best rock and roll band currently working (Spoon might tie or come in a close second). It was the third time I've seen them and it's pretty amazing how much they've evolved in such a relatively brief period of time (the first time I saw them was immediately post YHF's actual release). The new material sounded great, but I was really surprised by how the Summerteeth/YHF era stuff sounded with the new band--the first time I saw them they had two people on laptops but I don't think there was anything sequenced or programmed this time, and it all sounded amazing (and was amazing to watch). I hope Tweedy sticks with this lineup for awhile. The album may not have been the step forward that people were expecting, but as a band, I really think Wilco is in the best shape they've ever been.
post #32 of 33
I take it you were at the Merriweather show? That was a great one.
post #33 of 33
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Originally Posted by JWinge1, Napoleon in Rags
I take it you were at the Merriweather show? That was a great one.
Yes sir. The weather sucked (I was on the lawn) but the band was pretty amazing.
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