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The Chicago Cubs March to the 2007 World Series

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The best thing about baseball is everyone has a shot in April. Sure the past 98 years for the Cubs ended in disappointment but the 99th year feels different. Lou Piniella is different. He wants to win and isn't going to stick up for his guys if they don't perform. Mark Prior can't get the ball to hit 90 and is struggling with control so they sent him to pitch against minor leagers and it doesn't look like he will make the Opening Day roster.

And there is reason for hope. It's not going to be rookie after crappy rookie hitting the mound for the Cubs. They aren't going to rely on if Prior and Wood are ready. They finally got replacements.

And an even better reason to hope is that the NL is shit. The Cards won the division with 83 wins, Padres and Dodgers won with 88. The Mets had 97 wins but no Pedro till atleast August. And the Cards rotation after Carpenter is Kip Wells, A. Reyes, Adam Wainwright, and Branden Looper. Hardly world beaters.

This means the Cubs, Brewers, and Astros have a shot to jump over the Cards. I like the chances with the Cubs line up. This is the projected team as of now. A couple role players may switch like pitchers Cherry, Wuertz, Guzman.

1-CF Soriano
2-LF Murton-finally he's hitting 2nd unlike Nefi Perez and his .240 batting avg.
3-1B Lee
4-3B Ramirez
5-LF Jones
6-C Barrett
2B- DeRosa/Theroit
SS- Izturis

Bench-OF Pagan, OF Floyd, super sub Thomas Perez, 1B/OF Ward, C Blanco

Rotation
1 Zambrano
2 Lilly
3 Marquis
4 Hill
5 Miller
Look for Zambrano and Hill to be to 5 in strikeouts this year. Hill has great stuff.

Bullpen
Barring injury set back-Wood, Howry, Eyre, Cotts, Ohman, Dempster

Wood just got nicked up again, shocker, but he's pitched well enough.

The strength of this team is the offensive line up and bullpen. They are a bit shaky in outfield defense but Lee back should make the infield tons better. The top 2 in the rotation I'm not worried about. Lilly should benefit from no DH and crappy 8. 9 hitters. The bottom 3 are question marks with huge upside from Hill and if Miller returns to form(unlike Wood, Prior) they should have enough to win 90-94 games and the NL Central.

Still the Cards, Astros and Brewers have a shot. The Reds always start strong but fade. I have zero confidence in them. The park they play in doesn't help.

But this will be a good year. All signs are pointing to it. It won't be last year when the Cubs were out of it by the end of April. Game on.
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I see you neglect to mention my beloved Pirates, who actually finished AHEAD of the Cubs last season (and will again this year).
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Pittsburg's wins the last 5 years-67, 67, 72, 75, 72-What have they done to improve? I can't wait untill JAson Bay is a Cub.
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Pittsburg's wins the last 5 years-67, 67, 72, 75, 72-What have they done to improve? I can't wait untill JAson Bay is a Cub.
Oh, I don't know -- maybe add Adam LaRoche, who's going to hit 40+ home runs for us at first base this season. And having LaRoche in the lineup only makes Jason Bay better.

Trust me. Soriano will have that first-year-of-a-big-contract falloff that everybody has, and the Cubs will only disappoint once more.

By the way, are Prior and Wood hurt yet?
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Not hurt yet, though apparently Prior can't reach 90 on the radar gun and isn't going to be one of the 5 starters at the beginning of the year.

The best part of the Cub is their division, and I fully expect them to win 93 games because of it.
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
Not hurt yet, though apparently Prior can't reach 90 on the radar gun and isn't going to be one of the 5 starters at the beginning of the year.

The best part of the Cub is their division, and I fully expect them to win 93 games because of it.
What a fall from grace for Prior. He was going to be the next big thing and now it looks like he will be lucky if he ever becomes a quality 4th starter. He should sue Dusty for future earnings.

The Cubs could very well win the Central this year that division is so mediocre. There really isnt one stand out team at all. Even the Cards are weaker this year than last. Their pitching has a lot of question marks after Carpenter. It actually wouldnt surprise me if the Brewers won the division if Sheets can stay healthy all of their young guys like Weeks and Fielder have another year experience.
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The Cubs could win it, but I suspect that they're going to have to trade for another starter. Maybe two. The good news is that last year's rotation was so bad that mediocrity is a big improvement.

I'm still scratching my head over the Marquis signing though, which has a downside of no improvement over what the Cubs got in 2006. Hill and Lilly need to have good years for the Cubs to stand a chance.

Likewise, I suspect the offense will be much improved, but I don't think it's going to be the juggernaut that some people are predicting. I wouldn't be surprised if the Cubs finished in the bottom 3 in walks again. Barrett and Ramirez probably can't hit better than they did last year. The return of a healthy Lee, the addition of Soriano, improvement by Murton, and DeRosa replacing a bevy of ineffective middle infielders should help some though. HRs are still the most efficient way to score runs and the Cubs should hit plenty of them. There probably are going to be more than a fair share of solo ones though. I think they'll be above average offensively, but I think 5th in runs scored is more likely than 1st.

Baseball Prospectus has the Cubs at about 83 wins entering the season. That seems reasonable to me. Win some close games and swing a deal at the deadline and that can easily turn into 87 to 90 wins.

Honestly, the team in the Central I have the hardest time envisioning winning it all is Houston. Even with the addition of Carlos Lee, I have a hard time being impressed with an offense that includes Ausmus, Everett, Biggio on his last legs, and a pitcher. They really need a bounceback year from Morgan Ensberg. The moment they sit down Biggio and call up Hunter Pence is when the offense becomes respectable. And the starting rotation looks iffy beyond Oswalt. With the addition of Lee, the subtraction of Taveras, and another year of age on Ausmus, they look worse defensively too.
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Originally Posted by EvilTwin
The Cubs could win it, but I suspect that they're going to have to trade for another starter. Maybe two. The good news is that last year's rotation was so bad that mediocrity is a big improvement.
I don't see that happening. Z, Lilly and Hill are locks. Marquis signed a long term deal. They could deal for Wade Miller's spot but that's about it. And I suspect they would go w/ a few other of their own pitchers first.
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Baseball Prospectus has the Cubs at about 83 wins entering the season. That seems reasonable to me. Win some close games and swing a deal at the deadline and that can easily turn into 87 to 90 wins.
What do they say about the rest of the division and what did they say about the Tigers last year?
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel
I don't see that happening. Z, Lilly and Hill are locks. Marquis signed a long term deal. They could deal for Wade Miller's spot but that's about it. And I suspect they would go w/ a few other of their own pitchers first.

Marquis had an ERA over 6 last year too. And he was backed up by a superior defense. Marquis might bounce back, but that contract could be a hindrance for the Cubs cutting bait if he doesn't work out. Between Marquis, Miller, Prior, and Guzman, there are plenty of questions there. The Cubs could be all right, but it wouldn't surprise me if none has an ERA under 5 and if Miller and Prior can't stand up to the strain of a full season. Certainly the race is likely to be close enough that replacing a guy with a 5-ish ERA with a legitimately good pitcher is something the Cubs will be exploring at the deadline. Part of me thinks that the Cubs would be best off in the long term and not really hurt in the short term by just tossing Guzman in at #5 and seeing what he can do.

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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel
What do they say about the rest of the division and what did they say about the Tigers last year?
I'll get the comments later, but this is what BP's projection system is predicting for team wins.

Mil 85
Chi 84
StL 81
Hou 79
Pit 76
Cin 72

Doesn't seem too different than the conventional wisdom, i.e. a closely packed mediocre division. I know BP doesn't like Cincinatti's outfield defense, thinks the Reds' bullpen is mediocre is best, and thinks the shortsighted trades of last year have hurt the offense there.

I don't think that it's going out on a limb to say that a couple of close head to head wins, a trade or two, a key injury or a year of good health from a key player, or the call up of a promising prospect could decide the division.

I'll see what I can find about the Tigers from last year. I do know that BP doesn't really like the White Sox this year. Their basic thought is that the offense is highly reliant on Dye, Thome, and Konerko, they're all in their 30s and likely to decline, and the pitching moves of the offseason seem geared to a couple years down the road when it's likely those 3 aren't likely to have the same impact. Basically they think the White Sox should be win now mode.
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I love Cincy's defense in the outfield. Dunn hasn't met a flyball he can't butcher. Sad predictions. Though I bet atleast one team bust 80 wins.

Police to play Wrigley
Tickets $254.00, $94.00 and $54.00

Could see Sting play most of the same songs for alot less. I can't believe they need the money that badly.
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They certainly don't need it. Dave Matthews doesn't need to charge people $70 for fucking lawn seats, but he does it anyways. Big-time musicians are just douchebags.
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Mark Prior hit 93 on the radar gun yesterday. He pitch 4 good innings giving up 1 run. He may not be a dead arm yet.
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel
Mark Prior hit 93 on the radar gun yesterday. He pitch 4 good innings giving up 1 run. He may not be a dead arm yet.

Actually in an article I read it said he hit 89 which was his fastest pitch of the game. Its no 93 but its better than the 85 he was throwing last week.

Here is the article

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring...ory?id=2808819
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Just saw the topping out at 89 on cubs.com. I'm just glad he's getter better at hitting his spots as they reported. And he thinks he'll pitch April 7th against the Brewers, assuming he lands the 5th starters job. The last thing the Cubs want is to trade Miller and have Prior go down after 3 starts. I bet he'll start in the minors or stay in Arizona for a week or two.
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I thinks its a good idea to start him in the minors let him get his confidence back. Also it will let him get more comfortable learning how to pitch with a top end speed of 90 or 91 he isnt the mid 90's guy like he used to be. It can be done but it will take some getting used to it. Its better he does at the minor league level
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So, does anyone yet know what his injury was? I don't recall anyone coming out and saying anything specific.
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His injury is that he's a pussy.
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
So, does anyone yet know what his injury was? I don't recall anyone coming out and saying anything specific.

I would guess this season the reason fopr his drop in velocity is more a in his head thing. All those years of injuries screwed up his confidence and he is just afraid to let it go. I think thats why the minors would be a great idea for him it would give him a chance to gain alot of the confidence he lost back.

I dont think talent is a question with Prior is just if he has the heart to be productive again.
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Prior has had some freak injuries. But some also say he has a Todd Marinovich like dad. And in the steroid/hgh era, it's guilty till proven healthy. I've also heard Lou doesn't like his daddy around all the time. Unless Prior is back to form I would bet this is his last year as a Cub esp with Zambrano a must sign.

Wood pitched an inning today. Sad when pitching 1 inning is cause for celebration.

A big surpris in camp is Ryan Theriot. The second baseman, whom Dusty should have played more last year, his hitting .385 with 5 doubles, 2 triples, and 5 stolen bases. DeRosa better start strong or he'll be bench fodder.
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I grew up in St Louis. Lifelong Cards fan. I love me some Cubbies.....



but c'mon.....it's the Cubs, boys.
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The Cards one with Carpenter, Pujos, and 83 wins. Zambrano, Sori, and 90+ wins.

They should do to Wood what they do to lame horses
He was bitching that he might not make the team and now this
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Cubs pitcher Kerry Wood will not be ready by Opening Day and was to be examined Monday after feeling discomfort in his right shoulder, while Mark Prior's fate will likely be determined Wednesday.
"For the most part, he'd been doing what everybody else did," Cubs manager Lou Piniella said Monday of Wood. "He had a couple setbacks, but truthfully, one wasn't throwing-related. We felt that by bringing him along slowly and not pushing him, that it was a reasonable expectation that he'd be ready by Opening Day."

And now?

"That's not going to happen," Piniella said. "Let's hope it's not serious and he can resume preparing himself. Obviously, we'll give him time."
I am so fucking sick of hearing how Wood and Prior are hurt. It's been over 3 years.
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"Play Like There's No Tomorrow."

Your Opening Day Line UP for your 2007 Chicago Cubs

1. Alfonso Soriano, CF
2. Matt Murton, LF
3. Derrek Lee, IB
4. Aramis Ramirez, 3B
5. Jacque Jones, RF
6. Michael Barrett, C
7. Mark DeRosa, 2B
8. Cesar Izturis, SS
9. Carlos Zambrano, P

Final 25 man Roster
12 Pitchers
Rotation- Zambrano, Lilly, Marquis, Hill, Miller
Bullpen- Dempster, Howry, Eyre, Guzman, Cotts, Ohman, Wuettz

C-Barrett, Blanco
1B-Lee, Ward
2B-DeRosa(3b, OF), Theroit(SS, 3B, OF)
SS-Izturis, Cedano(2B)
3B-Ramirez
LF-Murton(Floyd)
CF-Soriano
RF-Jones(CF)

As I said the outfield defense could be brutal. But the Cubs are playing great and really need a hot start. Their 24 of their first 28 are against divisional foes. They need 18 wins out of 24 there. They have been hitting great and Zambrano, Hill, and Lilly are off to great starts. Miller and Marquis are pretty good too.
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Every year in the beginning of April (except last year, which was so bad no one could utter the words) my father says to me: "This could be the year!" Hope springs eternal in all Cubs fans. Oh God (or Billy-Goat), I hope they don't disappoint me. Again.
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Zambrano,Cubs close to deal
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The Cubs' chances of signing right-hander Carlos Zambrano to a new five-year contract look better than ever.

Zambrano has waived his Opening Day deadline for completing negotiations with the club, according to his agent, Barry Praver.
The two sides apparently are negotiating the final details of a deal that is expected to be worth more than $80 million over five years.

If completed at that level, the contract would be the largest ever awarded to a non-free agent starting pitcher, both in average salary and total dollars.
Great news. Even better considering
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Among the pitchers expected to be available, right-hander Bartolo Colon isn't as durable as Zambrano. Lefty Mark Buerhle and righties Freddy Garcia, Jason Jennings and Jake Westbrook aren't as accomplished. Righties John Smoltz and Curt Schilling, both of whom will be over 40, aren't nearly as young.
Buerhle is the best of the bunch but he was shit from the middle on of last year and Z is better.
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Tribune Co. will sell Cubs by end of season
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The Tribune Co. said it plans to sell the Cubs at the end of the 2007 baseball season, putting one of its most valuable assets on the block as it simultaneously announced Monday that real estate magnate Sam Zell was acquiring the media conglomerate in a deal valued at about $8.2 billion.

Analysts estimate the Cubs could sell for $600 million or more.
So who is gonna buy the Cubs? Will they keep Wrigley? I just hope it's some billionair who just wants to win.
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I've been thinkin' about buyin' em.
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If the Cubs are going to do something this year, Zambrano should work on limiting those walks allowed. He led the NL with 115 last year and he's off to a flying start this year. That's a relatively scary peripheral for a guy that could haul down more than $100 million in a contract extension.
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Cubs are going to go 81-81. Write it down. That pitching staff isn't getting them within sniffing distance of the playoffs.
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Originally Posted by EvilTwin
If the Cubs are going to do something this year, Zambrano should work on limiting those walks allowed. He led the NL with 115 last year and he's off to a flying start this year.
He's sucked the last 3 years on Opening Day and bounced back strong the next outing. His walks are a problem though. Gets him out of games too early.
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He's sucked the last 3 years on Opening Day and bounced back strong the next outing. His walks are a problem though. Gets him out of games too early.
The fact that Carlos Zambrano survived Dusty Baker is remarkable. Reading through the list of pitchers Baker has ruined is fascinating. I imagine that in order to survive he provided much rum to JoBu....and his rotator cuff and right elbow arte likely made of high-carbon steel.
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1-1

Great game by Lilly-7 IP 3H 1BB 9K's

And Lou was great. With Dempster pitching and 1 out in the 9th he walked a guy and was down 1-0 on Griffey. Piniella goes to the with F Bombs telling Dempster they have a fucking 3 run lead. Get the fucking ball over the fucking plate. Griffey would need a fucking bazooka to hit a HR.

I'm paraphrasing but he let him have it. Dempster got the last 2 out. I'm not saying that's why Dempster got the guys out but he's letting guys know they have to do their job.
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2-2

A very strong 1 hit(HR) 7 inning performance by Rich Hill. Lilly and Maruis also piched very well. Zambrano will turn it around so it looks like the Cubs will have 3 very solid starters. Still not sure about Marquis but he should be ok.

Bats woke up in the first inning. The big 3 still aren't on top of their game but they are getting there.

Zambrano vs Sheets should be great tomorrow.
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3-2

Strong outing and they got to Sheets early. Nice to see Dempster shut down 4-5-6 in the 9th. His slider/splitter are looking good. Fortunatly he's had 3 run leads to build that confidence. Cubs really need to put the Brewers away tomorrow. Could set up a great start and killer instinct.

next 4 starts
Miller vs Capuano- @Mil
Williams vs Lilly- Hou
Sampson vs Marquis-Hou
Rodriguez vs Hill-Hou

Thank god no Oswalt. Capuano has killed the Cubs but it is a new year so maybe the new players can change that. Astro pitchers are not overwhelming
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Cubs are giving the game away today.
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3-5

Offense and bullpen are sucking lately. Still the starting pitching isn't giving up alot. Still very early but Cubs have to start taking these early division games.
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I thought Lou was supposed to be different from Dusty, especially when it came to not making excuses. Now it's all about how they can't play in the cold? Guess what, Lou, it ain't warm in October, either.
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Just release Prior already. God the guy is either the biggest pussy in baseball or his arm is just screwed up to bad beyond repair.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2835462
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The Cubs are miserable, as expected. But what's really disturbing is my fantasy team got a killer start from Ted Lilly today, but the no-hit Cubbies couldn't score a single run against Kyle fucking Lohse. So no W for me. Thanks for the run support, Cubs!
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4-7
Miserable? They aren't playing their best but are far from miserable. Not even 1/10th of the season has been played.

Lilly and Hill have all star stuff. Zambrano has pitched as well as he will(0 wins last April) but he'll be fine. And Marquis has been decent.

Ramirez missed the Reds series, Jones isn't hitting(mistake hitting him 2nd or 3rd), and Sori is only around .230 This will improve.

The cold weather and win has killed most HR blasts by the Cubs. When the weather turns the Cubs bats will heat up. The dome series in Milwaukee is a better example of how the Cubs will play.

It's insane to say the Cubs are miserable. Way too early esp. when the A's and Indians show what a hot 2 months can do.
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You know that both teams have to hit in the cold, right?
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5-7

Really? Shocking. Both teams play in the weather but add that with high winds and you don't get an accurate game. The Cubs/Sox Sunday combined to give up 3 hits and both lost. The weather was a factor. It's not an excuse because they still should have won but these games aren't am accurate depiction of both teams.

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Doesn't look serious. Even if oout 2 weeks It shouldn't be a major problem esp if Ramirez comes back. Cliff Floyd and Murton are playing well enough to cover.

And Maddux comes back tonite. Cubs better be swinging early.
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So, if the weather is killing offense - for now - why are you so comfortable with the pitching? What you're saying is that Babe Ruth couldn't hit in cold weather, so you can't tell shit about pitching until it warms up.

Basically, you're talking about of both sides of your mouth on this.

And Ted Lilly doesn't have All-Star stuff. He's a nice 3rd pitcher, and will have success in the NL, but he's not great.
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
So, if the weather is killing offense - for now - why are you so comfortable with the pitching? What you're saying is that Babe Ruth couldn't hit in cold weather, so you can't tell shit about pitching until it warms up.

Basically, you're talking about of both sides of your mouth on this.
No. The pitching from Hill and Zambrano in the Dome was great. The crazy cold/wind was the first series and the one against the Astros(snow out) and part of the last Cincy series.

The positive aspects of the pitching are the location the guys are hitting and the strikeouts. Dempster's Slider is really good. Hill's curve. Things you can do in any weather.

But half the games(including a couple wins) mean nothing because of the weather.
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
So, if the weather is killing offense - for now - why are you so comfortable with the pitching? What you're saying is that Babe Ruth couldn't hit in cold weather, so you can't tell shit about pitching until it warms up.

Basically, you're talking about of both sides of your mouth on this.

And Ted Lilly doesn't have All-Star stuff. He's a nice 3rd pitcher, and will have success in the NL, but he's not great.

Come on GFC if anyone knows this its you. Its just Anya once again completly overlooking the flaws the Cubs have now and greatly exaggerating the positives.
post #46 of 188
The team that Chicago fielded today just looks putrid. The first four hitters look pretty good, but five through nine are an utter disaster.

In looking over the roster, how the hell is the Cubbies' payroll so high? What is Soriano making, 30 mil a year?
post #47 of 188
I think I've heard everything now. Ronny Cedeno is going to be haunted by that screwup for a long time. He'll have company in the Cubs pantheon though.
post #48 of 188
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7-10

I'm not exaggerating that the Cubs starting pitching is really good. ERA's Lilly-2.42 , Marquis-1.88, Hill 0.41, and Zambrano who will bounce back. Miller is your average 5th starter. Good some days, bad other days.

Lots to catch up on. Cubs lost a couple tough games to the Cards and Pardes. Pie has been playing some great defense in center and Theroit has played great wherever he's been asked. Bullpen has sucked. Rich Hill is going to be an all star.

Sori to Left Field
Now this could be interesting. Lou wants 12 pitchers and the Cubs won't have a legit CF if Pie is sent down. Jones will have to play there if he is. Though I would suspect the GM migt be looking to deal Jones and platoon Murton and Floyd because Pie needs to be up. I would guess Pie is sent down untill a deal is made.

Big series with the Brewers coming up. Cubs have their two best pitchers going and Carlos Zambrano. Hope the rain stays away.

Mon-Vargas vs Zambrano
Tue-Suppan vs Hill
Wed-Sheets vs Lilly

Thank god no Capuano. He just owns the Cubs. Though I have a feeling he'd be Jeff Blauser if he cam to the team.
post #49 of 188
You should start your own blog.
post #50 of 188
If Derek Lee doesnt start hitting homers you guys are in trouble. Along with 2 of my cash fantasy pool teams.
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