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Or at least SOMEONE gave thought as to how to work the PT in with the OT.


If we accept all the Star Wars films as the same canon, then a lot that happens in the original films has to be reinterpreted in the light of the prequels. As we now know, the rebel Alliance was founded by Yoda, Obi-Wan Kenobi and Bail Organa. What can readily be deduced is that their first recruit, who soon became their top field agent, was R2-D2.

Consider: at the end of RotS, Bail Organan orders 3PO's memory wiped but not R2's. He wouldn't make the distinction casually. Both droids know that Yoda and Obi-Wan are alive and are plotting sedition with the Senator from Alderaan. They know that Amidala survived long enough to have twins and could easily deduce where they went. However, R2 must make an impassioned speech to the effect that he is far more use to them with his mind intact: he has observed Palpatine and Anakin at close quarters for many years, knows much that is useful and is one of the galaxy's top experts at hacking into other people's systems. Also he can lie through his teeth with a straight face. Organa, in immediate need of espionage resources, agrees.

For the next 20 years, as far as 3PO knows, he is the property of Captain Antilles, doing protocol duties on a diplomatic transport. He is vaguely aware of the existence of the princess but doesn't know much about her. Wherever 3PO goes, being as loud and obvious as he always is, his unobtrusive little counterpart goes with him. 3PO is R2's front man. Wherever they land, R2 is passing messages between rebel sympathisers and sizing up governments as potential rebel recruits - both by personal contact and by hacking into their networks. He passes his recommendations on to Organa.

Yoda is out of the picture by this stage, using the Force-infused swamps of Dagobah to hide himself from Vader and the Emperor. Or something. He is meditating on the future and keeping in touch with Obi-Wan via the ghost of Qui-Gon Jin, which as comm systems go has the virtue of being untappable. Obi-Wan, on Tattoine, keeps in touch with Bail Organa and the other Rebel leaders by courier, of which more later.

As Star Wars opens, R2 is rushing the Death Star plans to the Rebellion. R2, not Leia. The plans are always in R2. What Leia puts into him in the early scene is only her own holographic message to Kenobi. Leia's own mission, as she says in the holographic message, is to pick up Obi-Wan and take him to Alderaan - or so she thinks. Actually, her father just wants her to meet Kenobi, which up to this point she never has. There's a reason for that.

Obi-Wan has spent the last 20 years in the Tattoine desert, keeping watch over Luke Skywalker and trying to decide on one of the three available options:
A) If Luke shows no significant access to the Force, then leave him alone in obscurity
B) If Luke shows real Force ability, then consider recruiting him as a Jedi. The rebellion needs Jedi. Now.
But, if Luke shows any signs of turning out like his father, then C) sneak into his house one fine night and chop his head off. With great regret but it'll save a lot of trouble later on.
Knowing this to be the case, Bail Organa (perhaps at the insistence of his wife) has found excuses not to send Leia to Ben for assessment of Jedi potential, largely for fear of option C.

To be fair to all concerned, Leia has shown no overt signs of a link to the Force. Luke on the other hand has. In his home-built hotrod aircraft, with no formal fighter pilot training and no decent instrumentation, Luke can regularly score centre-hits on 2-metre targets in complicated zero-altitude maneouvres. Until he attends the briefing on Yavin, Luke has no way of knowing that hardened combat pilots would consider that nearly impossible. To him it's easy. Obi-Wan, who saw Anakin's performance in the Pod Race, is nervous.

Much of Obi-Wan's behaviour in this film, and Yoda's in the next, can best be understood if they are frankly scared to death of what Luke might become. (Ben is also scared that he himself will make all the same mistakes he made with Anakin.)

Now, with the existence of the rebellion at stake, Bail Organa has finally told Leia to go see Obi-Wan and has sent her along with R2. The original plan would then be for Obi-Wan (with optional Luke and/or Leia in tow) to leave his exile and take the Death Star plans to Yavin, where they can be put to use. R2 (with Leia if Ben doesn't want to take her) would then carry on to Alderaan to maintain the cover story. The original plan does not survive contact with a large Imperial Star Destroyer.

R2 and 3PO bail out in an escape pod, landing in vaguely the right area of Tattoine, where R2's first priority is transport. He arranges to be captured by a group of Jawas and, once on board their transport, he makes a deal with them (possibly using emergency funds stored about his person) to take him where he wants to go. The Jawas refuse to go directly to Kenobi for fear of marauding Sandpeople but they agree to R2's second request : transport to the Skywalker farm. They even get to keep the purchase price if they can sell R2 and 3PO there. The Jawas shake on it and go through with the plan.

Seeing 3PO fail to recognise the farm where he worked for 10 years gives r2 a moment's amusement but, as soon as possible, he gets away and heads for Kenobi. Luke and 3PO follow, which may or may not have been part of the plan.

On first seeing R2, Obi-Wan has a twinkle in his eye and calls him "my little friend". Well, he is. However, when Luke wakes up and says that R2 claimed to be owned by an Obi-Wan Kenobi, he blandly says "I don't seem to remember ever owning a droid." Ben has in fact owned several but the remark is aimed at R2 and translates as "You keep quiet. I'm not about to tell him everything just yet." Obi-Wan thinks fast and tells Luke a version of his past that does not involve a father who became a dark lord of the Sith. He wants to examine Luke a lot more closely before he risks telling him the real truth.
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continued...

Although the Death Star plans need to get to Yavin as soon as possible, Obi-Wan needs to make one more diversion first. If the Empire knows that Leia is a Rebel leader, then they also know about her father and the whole Organa family may need immediate evacuation. Fortunately, before coming to Tattoine, R2 had already arranged transport, which is waiting at Mos Eisley, under the command of the Rebellion's other chief field agent and espionage asset. Chewbacca.

20 years earlier, Chewbacca was second in command of the defence of his planet. He's there in the tactical conferences and there on the front lines and is a personal friend of Yoda's. When he needed reliable people to join the embryonic Alliance, who else would Yoda turn to but his old friend from Kashykk? Given his background, there is no way that Chewie would spend the crucial years of the rebellion as the second-in-command to (sorry Han) a low-level smuggler. Unless it's his cover. In fact, Chewie is a top-line spy and flies what is in many ways the Rebellion's best ship.

The Millenium Falcon may look like a beat-up old freighter but it can outrun any Imperial ship in normal space or hyperspace, hang in a firefight with a Star Destroyer or outmaneouvre a dozen top-of-the-line TIE fighters. It's a remarkable feat of engineering and must have cost a colossal fortune to build. How does Han come to own a ship like that? He only thinks he does, actually it's Chewie's. Half-way through RotS, we see the Falcon landing at the Senate building on Coruscant. If it's the same ship (which of course it is) then it was the personal transport of one of the senatorial delegations - a much more likely source to commission its design. That delegatino must have later joined the Rebellion and given it the use of the Falcon. In fact, if the delegation is the one from Kashykk, then the ship may have belonged to Chewbacca as early as RotS.

Han is Chewie's front man. It's much better, and safer for him, if he doesn't know what's really going on. Chewie used to work with Lando Calrissian in a similar way but Lando wanted to settle down, so Chewie arranged for him to lose the Falcon in a card game to Han Solo, an even better choice as partner. Han and Chewie's working method is pretty much what we see in the cantina scene: Chewie make the contacts and sets up the deals, then turns them over to Han who haggles over the price and gives the final yea or nay. This lets Chewie wander the seamy underside of the galaxy pretty much at will, making contacts, gathering and passing information with no-one was the wiser, especially not Han.

Chewie persuaded Han to do business with Jabba the Hutt so he could make regular runs to Tattoine, where Chewie could pass messages between Kenobi and Organa. When R2's urgent message came through only days before, the only way for Chewie to get back to Tattoine in time was to make the "mistake" that forced Han to dump his cargo to avoid capture. As a down side, this led to Solo's getting a death mark out on him from Jabba the Hutt. Chewie was a bit upset about the need for that but figured they weren't going to be dealing with Tattoine for much longer.

En route to Alderaan, R2 and Chewie play stop-motion chess. This is the latest in a series of games they've played over the year in the back rooms of space stations and cantinas across the galaxy, but this is the first time they've done it in front of their respective straight men, so they put on a big show.

Then it all goes wrong again. Alderaan is gone and the Falcon is caught and brought aboard the Death Star. Only Han, Luke and 3PO don't know just how much trouble they're in but Obi-Wan has a plan and seems confident (but Jedi always do). Soon afterwards, R2 finds Leia in the detention cells and shouts that they have to rescue her, to which Chewie can only agree. If Vader learns he has a daughter, then they're all in deep trouble, so Chewie does his bit to persuade Han to go along with Luke's plan.

Then, on the verge of escape, Vader himself turns up only yards from both of his children, one of whom is leaking Force all over the place. Obi-Wan stages a distraction by letting himself die and go into the Force while the others escape. At this point, Chewie suddenly realises that he's been left in charge, not only of the Death Star Plans and the survival of the Rebellion but of the secret son and daughter of Darth Vader. With the Organas and Kenobi all dead, only Chewie, R2 and Yoda know who Luke and Leia are. And only Ob-Wan knew where Yoda has been hiding. Chewie is stressed out by the responsibility and R2 (who keeps making crude jokes about the whole affair) is being no help at all.

Chewie's first problem is what is happening between Luke and Leia. With a psychic link they can feel but don't understand, thrown together in a life-or-death escape, they are looking at each other with a sparky intensity that Chewie gradually recognises as Romantic Tension. He's no expert on human relationships but Chewie is fairly sure that that's Wrong, so he does the only thing he can under the circumstances - he throws Han at her. Han is at first not interested but after a while starts to warm to the idea with an intensity that gives Chewie new worries.

When they reach Yavin, Han decides to take the money and run and Chewie decides to go with him. Looked at in cold light, it's for the good of the Rebellion. Even if Yavin is destroyed, there'll be one agent who knows what's going on who can try and put something back together, but he doesn't feel good about it. When Han decides to turn around and join the attack, Chewie is all for it.

Han and Luke get medals but Chewie doesn't. Actually, Leia offers him one but Chewie turns it down. He got one of those things from Yoda about 20 years ago, but there's no way he can tell her that.

As the film ends, the three founders of the Rebellion are all gone. Bail Organa is dead, Yoda is out of contact and Obi-Wan's ghost can only talk to other Jedi. (So that would be Yoda then.) Thus, the field leadership of the rebellion has just been turned over to the daughter of Darth Vader. Chewie is really hoping that someone with an official rank greater than hers will get here real soon before he has to think really seriously about option C.
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Why doesn't Owen recognize a droid he once owned? Sure, 3PO units are mass-produced, but surely he'd remember owning one with the same name and voice.
post #4 of 41
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Originally Posted by Big Jim Slade
Why doesn't Owen recognize a droid he once owned? Sure, 3PO units are mass-produced, but surely he'd remember owning one with the same name and voice.
If he hasn't out-and-out forgotten - some droid your stepbrother built 20 years back may not exactly be the most memorable thing ever - given his attitude towards the whole Luke/Anakin situation, he may be just trying to stonewall.

Of course, if he was trying to stonewall, he'd never have bought 3PO.
post #5 of 41
A surprising lack of sex for something dubbed a "sexogy."
post #6 of 41
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Originally Posted by Brad_Lohan
A surprising lack of sex for something dubbed a "sexogy."
A passing knowledge of Latin is your friend.
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Originally Posted by Chavez
A passing knowledge of Latin is your friend.
And a spell-checker should be yours. It's "sexology." Zing!
post #8 of 41
reeling with the insight....

Wait...wait...so......it was *Chewie* that shot first?
post #9 of 41
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Originally Posted by Brad_Lohan
And a spell-checker should be yours. It's "sexology." Zing!
No, that's the study of sexual behavior

Zing, indeed.
post #10 of 41
This just blew my mind.
post #11 of 41
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Originally Posted by Chavez
....With a psychic link they can feel but don't understand, thrown together in a life-or-death escape, they are looking at each other with a sparky intensity that Chewie gradually recognises as Romantic Tension. He's no expert on human relationships but Chewie is fairly sure that that's Wrong....
I love how it's with a capital 'w'.


I can't explain why, but all I could think about while reading this was the Brunching Shuttlecock's take on the way you get to be a Force Ghost (even though Qui-Gon's fate later FUCKS IT ALL UP):

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I have a better explanation. The fact is that, throughout the three films, everyone Luke meets is completely bullshitting him about the Force. They make up all this crap about Dark and Light and Good and Evil to disguise that there's only one rule to the Force: die in front of Luke.
post #12 of 41
I just like the idea that a wookie and a droid are using Han and Luke as their "front men."
post #13 of 41
I have a simpler solution. I ignore the prequels, and most of Jedi too.
post #14 of 41
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Originally Posted by Hammerhead
I have a simpler solution. I ignore the prequels, and most of Jedi too.
That's crazy talk; take yer crazy somewhere else, we're full up.
post #15 of 41
But who says 3P0s voice is unique? Maybe there's only five or six variations with that model of robot, like the text-to-voice thing they have on computers for blind people. (I like the suave black man. It's fun to make him say "I-like-to-EAT-shit") Also, Owen never learns 3P0s name, he's a totally different color, and those droids are everywhere, like a Honda civic.
post #16 of 41
I would imagine Protocol Droids are relatively rare on Tatooine moisture farms. In SW, Owen correctly guesses Threepio's intended function (and states that he has no need for such a fancy device), but it's likely he hasn't seen one (that is, Threepio himself) close-up since the old days and he'd probably remember the make.

The bigger question is, why the hell would a seven-year-old racing enthusiast build one? As a 'friend' for Mom?
post #17 of 41
I have a problem with a Jedi sneaking into your house killing your doods as they sleep.
post #18 of 41
Interesting theory. Complete nonsense, but interesting nonethless.

Now if someone can explain to me Dath Sidious's plan in The Phantom Menace, I'll be happy. Keep Padme on Naboo, keep her on Coruscant, sign the treaty, not sign the treaty...?
post #19 of 41
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Originally Posted by erik myers
Interesting theory. Complete nonsense, but interesting nonethless.

Now if someone can explain to me Dath Sidious's plan in The Phantom Menace, I'll be happy. Keep Padme on Naboo, keep her on Coruscant, sign the treaty, not sign the treaty...?
The whole point of his plan had nothing to do with Naboo or the treaty really. He engineered the entire crisis to get himself elected chancellor and to lay the groundwork for building the Empire. He was using both the Queen and the Trade Federation. All the seeming changes in his plan were him adapting to the situation as it changed. His original idea was to force Amidala to sign the treaty, then use that as the lever to force Valorum out. When Amidala escapes, he realizes he's got an even more effective lever by letting her speak directly to the Senate. When she decides to go back to Naboo, that feeds right into the larger plan -- if the Queen is captured or killed, even those who didn't support his election to chancellor would buy into the "threat to the Republic" angle he was using the Trade Federation to create. His half-hearted plea for her not to leave Coruscant -- watch the scene again, he couldn't be less sincere -- shows that he really didn't care whether she stayed or went, he'd adapt the plan accordingly.

That's why, to me, the "Phantom Menace" in the title is the whole Naboo situation. It's an orchestrated crisis designed to achieve one goal -- put Palpatine in the chancellor's chair.
post #20 of 41
That was great, Chavez. I especially love the part where Chewie throws Han at Leia because he sees Romantic Tension.
post #21 of 41
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
The whole point of his plan had nothing to do with Naboo or the treaty really. He engineered the entire crisis to get himself elected chancellor and to lay the groundwork for building the Empire. He was using both the Queen and the Trade Federation. All the seeming changes in his plan were him adapting to the situation as it changed. His original idea was to force Amidala to sign the treaty, then use that as the lever to force Valorum out. When Amidala escapes, he realizes he's got an even more effective lever by letting her speak directly to the Senate. When she decides to go back to Naboo, that feeds right into the larger plan -- if the Queen is captured or killed, even those who didn't support his election to chancellor would buy into the "threat to the Republic" angle he was using the Trade Federation to create. His half-hearted plea for her not to leave Coruscant -- watch the scene again, he couldn't be less sincere -- shows that he really didn't care whether she stayed or went, he'd adapt the plan accordingly.

That's why, to me, the "Phantom Menace" in the title is the whole Naboo situation. It's an orchestrated crisis designed to achieve one goal -- put Palpatine in the chancellor's chair.
I got the larger plan, and how it resulted in Palpatine's election, and how he was playing all sides in order to set himself up for absolute authority in the Senate...I just felt that it got too convoluted at times, at least in regards to where Palps needed Padme to be at a given time. It seemed less like he was improvising and more like there were two characters -- Palpatine and Darth Sidious, which I realize was the whole point, but it became hard to reconcile that he was playing both sides when his plan never seemed to have a through-line insofar as Padme's location.
post #22 of 41
Oh, the whole thing is sloppy as hell, but I've long since stopped worrying about it.
post #23 of 41
Yeah I have scratched my head over Star Wars for too long. I'm reverting back to when I was 9 and from now on I'm just in it for the ATAT's.
post #24 of 41
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Originally Posted by Alan "Nordling" Cerny
That was great, Chavez. I especially love the part where Chewie throws Han at Leia because he sees Romantic Tension.
I laughed so hard at this. His Wookiee Morality Meter is going off like a motherfucker.
post #25 of 41
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Originally Posted by Hammerhead
The bigger question is, why the hell would a seven-year-old racing enthusiast build one? As a 'friend' for Mom?
Yes. This rock hard fact was confirmed long ago...

post #26 of 41
Chavez, did you write this?

I'm just disturbed by the sheer amount of filling in the blanks. As far as I'm concerned you don't need to think Chewbacca turned the medal down and other such bullshit to reconcile the prequels. Way too much explanation for things that are evident to anybody who actually gave any of this any thought.
post #27 of 41
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No, I did not write it. Link to the site I found it on is at the top of the first post. You guys give me FAR too much credit.
post #28 of 41
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Originally Posted by Chavez
No, I did not write it. Link to the site I found it on is at the top of the first post. You guys give me FAR too much credit.
I noticed the link and the author's name, but I had no idea if that was you or not.

Regardless, I'd say we'd be giving you far too little credit. As I said above, this shit is over-explaining things that are obvious to anybody paying any attention or applying any thought.
post #29 of 41
That was pretty great. Most of it makes sense- I never thought too much about why Obi Wan seemed overly familiar with Chewie at Mos Eisley (my initial, pre-RotS response to that was that Obi Wan simply used underground connections to find a smuggler willing to get them off the planet), and with the Solo/Chewie slave rescue backstory, I had always assumed Chewie's life debt was the main motivator behind Chewie's constant presence. I wonder how the author would explain the life debt thing. Was it engineered by the rebellion to find Chewie a suitable cover, or was he really a slave at some point? Is the life debt thing even canon?

The two items from this article that seem straight-up made up for the purposes of filling in the holes are:

1) Chewie throwing Han at Leia to avert incest. I don't remember any direct involvement on Chewbacca's part toward getting those two together. The romantic tension served to provide an early-trilogy love triangle, and since Luke is pretty much a eunich (plus one for compatibility with the jedi lifestyle!), even Chewie had to know that not much would come of that side of the triangle.

2) Chewie didn't get a medal because he already had one. Did he get one? Or do we assume he did? If we follow the author's train of thought, maybe Chewbacca simply wanted to avoid the spotlight. He's there to serve Han to pay off his life debt, so let Han get the glory while Chewie pulls strings in the shadows.

Besides that, it was a cool read that makes some interesting points.
post #30 of 41
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Originally Posted by Sherm
Yeah I have scratched my head over Star Wars for too long. I'm reverting back to when I was 9 and from now on I'm just in it for the ATAT's.
I still call them Snow Walkers.
post #31 of 41
Oh, and if you're bored, take a voyage into the strange and macabre, one level up from the original link: http://www.morningstar.nildram.co.uk Uh...
post #32 of 41
Am I missing something -- at what point does Chewbacca become aware of the twins ? They were born after Yoda left the wookie planet and I could swear at that point Yoda while knowing things are going to hell pretty fast doesn't know Amidalla is about to pop out two potential lords of the sith
post #33 of 41
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Originally Posted by James77
Am I missing something -- at what point does Chewbacca become aware of the twins ? They were born after Yoda left the wookie planet and I could swear at that point Yoda while knowing things are going to hell pretty fast doesn't know Amidalla is about to pop out two potential lords of the sith
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Yoda is out of the picture by this stage, using the Force-infused swamps of Dagobah to hide himself from Vader and the Emperor. Or something. He is meditating on the future and keeping in touch with Obi-Wan via the ghost of Qui-Gon Jin, which as comm systems go has the virtue of being untappable. Obi-Wan, on Tattoine, keeps in touch with Bail Organa and the other Rebel leaders by courier, of which more later.

Chewie persuaded Han to do business with Jabba the Hutt so he could make regular runs to Tattoine, where Chewie could pass messages between Kenobi and Organa.
Ergo - Chewie is Kenobi's liason with Bail Organa, and Kenobi is in communication with Yoda via Qui-Gon Jinn. All 5 of those principals are aware of Luke and Leia. Possibly ONLY those 5.
post #34 of 41
Brilliant. I'll never watch the movies the same way again....
post #35 of 41
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Originally Posted by Smeagol
I noticed the link and the author's name, but I had no idea if that was you or not.

Regardless, I'd say we'd be giving you far too little credit. As I said above, this shit is over-explaining things that are obvious to anybody paying any attention or applying any thought.

Lighten up, Francis.

Yes, yes. We all know you are smarter than everybody else.
post #36 of 41
Sorry guys, your all reading too much into this. The movies were filmed to sell toys, and books, and cereal, and pillow cases, and.........
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Originally Posted by Barkatthemoon
Sorry guys, your all reading too much into this. The movies were filmed to sell toys, and books, and cereal, and pillow cases, and.........
Certainly the whole Sequel trilogy, and ROTJ as well....but Chapter IV was not there for the merchandising. In fact, that's how Lucas got rich. No one even thought about merchandising a movie like this, and he got the rights all to himself. Thus, ewoks.
post #38 of 41
Brilliant whether read straight or tongue-in-cheek, poking fun at the holes created by the prequels. I so wanted this to be Chavez's work so I could feel some vicarious ownership. Nice find.

Biggest headscratcher for me is limited to the prequels themselves, one movie in fact - when Dooku gives Obi-Wan the "join me and let's clean up this galaxy" speech, is he just full of it or is he serious?
post #39 of 41
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Originally Posted by Scriptwriter
He was trying to tempt Ob-Wan to the dark side.
That's your reason for everything.
post #40 of 41
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Originally Posted by Big Jim Slade
Why doesn't Owen recognize a droid he once owned? Sure, 3PO units are mass-produced, but surely he'd remember owning one with the same name and voice.
Who's to say he didn't? He needed a droid and that was his only option. He didn't want 3PO when he learned he was a Protocol droid, but he was in bind and 3PO said he had experience with moisture thingys before. A code perhaps?

Also, Owen begins to get clingy with Luke. Telling him he has to stay on another year. Luke is surprised by this and proceeds to whine.
post #41 of 41
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Originally Posted by General Zod
Also, Owen begins to get clingy with Luke. Telling him he has to stay on another year. Luke is surprised by this and proceeds to whine.
Only after Luke mentions Kenobi's name, which he just heard on Artoo's hologram. At that point, it would be irrelevant whether Owen recognized a specific droid.
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