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post #1 of 38
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I just read "The Amityville Horror" for the 1st time a little while ago. I have seen both versions of the film. I also saw a special on TLC a short time ago asking the above question. There have apparently been several books published debunking the story. I admit I haven't read any of those. For years, the biggest selling point on this property, in literary or cinematic form, was that it was based on a (supposedly) true story. The book (a new reprint from B & N) doesn't say "True story!" on the front cover, but still says it in boldface right at the top of the blurb on the back cover.

So I got curious; what do we, as horror aficionados think of this, one of the most famous hauntings in history? Is the Lutzes' story true or not?

I'm kind of ambivalent; on the one hand, I think it'd be kind of. . . I don't know . . . Cool? if this were true. makes things "more interesting, somehow", to quote Tim Hunter from the Books of Magic. And if demons & vengeful ghosts possessing a house is true, who knows what else might be true?

But on the other hand, the idea of a demon (if that's what the malevelont force they encountered was) implies the existence of Satan, and of course that means there's a God, final judgment. . . and Hell. Much as we horror fans like to be scgared on paper or in films, the religious implications of unquestioning belief in this story and its implications can be really and truly, hit home, this-is-reality frightening. And that's not so pleasant a sensation.

I guess I tip the scales a little more on the side of the former view, and I'd like to believe the story. I mean, the family was apparently in debt up to its eyeballs, and they just flat out ran from their new, spectacularly huge & well appointed home and didn't take a thing, moved into a new home and started again. That's not something you're likely to do without a DAMNED good reason. And supposedly the priest (who was actually a bit more involved in the book version than either of the films) swore to the veracity of the story, too. I doubt any of them could foresee that this story would take off the way it did, and that they stood to make a lot of money on it.

What about you folks? Do you have an opinion?
post #2 of 38
My friend Jason is convinced it's fake, but personally, I don't know. I think it's an interesting story either way, and whether or not it's real, I still enjoy the original film. I think I'd have to interview the Lutzes and really talk to them in person before I could make up my mind.
post #3 of 38
I think you guys should do even the tiniest amount of research on this and you'll see how painfully false the whole thing is.
post #4 of 38
If you can get ahold of a book called The Amityville Horror Conspiracy, you'll see how ridiculous this whole thing is. There are many, many examples of inconsistencies in the various versions of the story, as well as the novel's author as much as admitting that he made some stuff up.
post #5 of 38
That must be why my friend was convinced.
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Do people make it a point not to be friendly on these boards? Is there something wrong with contributing without putting someone down?
This page should be helpful.
post #7 of 38
dialect snark to annoy, perhaps alteration of nark to irritate
post #8 of 38
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Originally Posted by irridescent
That must be why my friend was convinced. Research? Then I won't be fooled by hoaxes like this... what's the fun in that?
Being fooled by hoaxes is fun?
post #9 of 38
And this thread is now pointlessly off topic. I apologize for this mess.
post #10 of 38
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Originally Posted by irridescent
And this thread is now pointlessly off topic. I apologize for this mess.
Not your fault. The whole thing is only about what you want to believe anyway. Sorry but I've also read a lot of stuff about how the guy that wrote the Amityville Conspiracy merely did it because of "sour grapes" when he was refused admittance to the house. *shrug* Who knows what the real truth is. I could be wrong but I think all parties invovled are now dead, with the exception of Lorraine Warren. I haven't done any reading on it in awhile but I do remember George Lutz died last year, Kathy died a few years ago from cancer and the kids will not talk about it. George himself admitted that yes, there were embellishments in the book and the original movie that he didn't approve of, but that some of the stuff did happen.

Just remember, there are three sides to every story, yours, theirs and the truth which is usually somewhere in between.
post #11 of 38
When the claims are reasonable and supportable, yes, there are multiple sides to the story. And if one is so monumentally retarded as to consider a story that includes a demonic pig to be reasonable and supportable, then that's their prerogative, up until the point that they forget to breathe.
post #12 of 38
Amityville Horror, pure bullshit, but Amityville 3-D, that really happened. I was there.

This book scared the hell out of me when I was about ten, it's a good read as a spooky haunted house tale, but as others have pointed out, there is a great amount of material out there to support the notion that all parties involved were pretty much full of shit.

I went through a phase after I read the book where I dug up all kinds of books from the library about demons and hauntings, especially some of the Warrens' books. If you believe their tales, they were regular demon fighting machines. Some farfetched stuff. I always keep an open mind about things, but I'm usually inclined to take the stories they're involved in with a grain of salt.
post #13 of 38
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Originally Posted by Greg David
up until the point that they forget to breathe.
It's hard to breathe with a demonic pig stomping on your chest.
post #14 of 38
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Originally Posted by Greg David
When the claims are reasonable and supportable, yes, there are multiple sides to the story. And if one is so monumentally retarded as to consider a story that includes a demonic pig to be reasonable and supportable, then that's their prerogative, up until the point that they forget to breathe.
That was one of the "author's add-ons" according to Lutz. I'll have to see if I can find that link.

As somebody else already said though, true or not, it was still a good story.
post #15 of 38
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Originally Posted by Greg David
When the claims are reasonable and supportable, yes, there are multiple sides to the story. And if one is so monumentally retarded as to consider a story that includes a demonic pig to be reasonable and supportable, then that's their prerogative, up until the point that they forget to breathe.
Hey, there are demonic pigs in the bible.
Lots of people believe that one.
post #16 of 38
There's no James Brolin in the Bible, though. Advantage: Amityville.
post #17 of 38
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There's no James Brolin in the Bible, though. Advantage: Amityville.
True that.
post #18 of 38
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That was one of the "author's add-ons" according to Lutz. I'll have to see if I can find that link.

As somebody else already said though, true or not, it was still a good story.
That's the sad thing to me, though; it really isn't a good story. Its popularity seems to derive entirely from the claim that it really happened. If you take that away, and treat it as a piece of horror fiction, it's a mess. It's completely unfocused as a haunting/possession story, and there's way too much going on. There's no plot to speak of, no character arcs of any kind. It's like they just took every story they'd ever heard of supernatural phenomena, threw them into a big cauldron, and stirred vigorously. And the things they try to pass off as "weird happenings" are kind of pathetic. A roll of money went missing? Oooh, that's mysterious. No human being would steal a roll of money.
post #19 of 38
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Originally Posted by Ian Challis
There's no James Brolin in the Bible, though. Advantage: Amityville.
Lots of guys with beards, though. So that's something.
post #20 of 38
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Originally Posted by Greg David
That's the sad thing to me, though; it really isn't a good story. Its popularity seems to derive entirely from the claim that it really happened. If you take that away, and treat it as a piece of horror fiction, it's a mess. It's completely unfocused as a haunting/possession story, and there's way too much going on. There's no plot to speak of, no character arcs of any kind. It's like they just took every story they'd ever heard of supernatural phenomena, threw them into a big cauldron, and stirred vigorously. And the things they try to pass off as "weird happenings" are kind of pathetic. A roll of money went missing? Oooh, that's mysterious. No human being would steal a roll of money.
I did think the book felt that way. The movies were more coherent, at least. But the thing I have the hardest time getting past is why they weren't more upset about the slime dripping down the walls. I think I probably would've been gone right then. In the movies it was dark, kind of black, or maybe they wanted you to think it was blood. In the book, it was GREEN. I see some green shit comin' outta my walls, I'm at least gonna call a plumber. They didn't even do that; Lutz had the KIDS clean it up (an that was before he went psycho, & still kind of liked them). That's like having one of the other kids adjust the rabbit ears after Carol Ann got sucked into the TV.
post #21 of 38
Although the entire Lutz haunting story is a crock of shit, I must admit that I would feel mighty creeped out sleeping in a bedroom that I knew someone got their head blown off in. But that's my own quirk and not some bullshit ghost story.
post #22 of 38
It's a fact that the house is still haunted by visiting stoners, metalheads, and goths who come to gawk at the place and piss off the neighbors.
post #23 of 38
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Is that worse than the demonic pig and slimy walls? I say it may be too close to call. . .
post #24 of 38
Devin is right: five seconds of research will reveal that this was all a load of bullshit.

The most telling sign is the involvement of the Warrens. However, no matter how bad the fabricated Amityville story may be, the other Warren "haunted house" book/movies were even worse -- THE HAUNTED and THE DEVIL IN CONNECTICUT. Unintentionally hilarious.
post #25 of 38
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I read "The Devil in Connecticut" years and years ago. I may have been like 12 or even younger. I guess I was too young to find it funny, because I don't remember it that way. Actually, I don't remember much about it at all. But I read it at the time because, growing up in the tri-State area that includes CT, I remember the story being on the news. I was too young to remember the Amityville stories, though.
post #26 of 38
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I read "The Devil in Connecticut" years and years ago. I may have been like 12 or even younger. I guess I was too young to find it funny, because I don't remember it that way. Actually, I don't remember much about it at all. But I read it at the time because, growing up in the tri-State area that includes CT, I remember the story being on the news. I was too young to remember the Amityville stories, though.
I'm sure THE DEVIL IN CONNECTICUT wasn't funny if you read it as a kid. it certainly wasn't funny to me, either, when I was first exposed to it as THE DEMON MURDER CASE, a TV-movie version starring a very young Kevin Bacon, alongside Andy Griffith and Cloris Leachman. In fact, the movie scared a then-seven year-old Erik out of his fucking mind.

However, read the book and see the movie as a rational adult and you'll die laughing. It's so utterly ludicrous that it boggles the mind.
post #27 of 38
The Warrens have always had a vested interest in keeping the Amityville case alive. Since they're intimately connected to it, as long as it's considered true, it's income. Using them as authorities to prove its veracity is like believing Philip Morris studies that conclude that tobacco doesn't cause cancer.
post #28 of 38
"The Devil in Connecticut," is that the one about the family that moves into the house that used to be a funeral home and they come to believe that there's a gateway to hell in the basement? A&E did a pretty creepy special about that, bullshit or no.
post #29 of 38
The Amityville Horror was FACT.


I was that pig-demon.
post #30 of 38
So did you steal the roll of money or what?
post #31 of 38
Bullshit. The Lutzes admitted or at least didn't deny they made all of it up. They saw an opportunity to take advantage of the history of the house and exploit the fuck out of it.

If something was haunted that vigorously, why did it cease when they left?

What really perplexes me is why hasn't the story of the real Defoes, the murdered family preceeding the Lutzes, been made into a movie? We have two siblings who plan the deaths of the rest of their family. There's some great drama there; enough with the Casper shit.
post #32 of 38
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My guess is that with so much controversy swirling around "The Amityville Horror" story, the public would probably perceive the Defeos' story as an attempt to cash in on an already overextended franchise. The movies, at least (which is probably how much of the public came by its knowledge of the Amityville story), imply that Ronnie heard voices like George Lutz claims he did, telling him to kill the family. Bottom line: Hollywood won't make a film out of the Defeos' story w/o tying it to the established property of TAH, and the public isn't likely to care about such a project because they'll see it as more of the same.
post #33 of 38
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Bullshit. The Lutzes admitted or at least didn't deny they made all of it up. They saw an opportunity to take advantage of the history of the house and exploit the fuck out of it.

If something was haunted that vigorously, why did it cease when they left?

What really perplexes me is why hasn't the story of the real Defoes, the murdered family preceeding the Lutzes, been made into a movie? We have two siblings who plan the deaths of the rest of their family. There's some great drama there; enough with the Casper shit.
Actually, Amityville 2: The Possession was loosely based on the DeFeo murders.
post #34 of 38
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"The Devil in Connecticut," is that the one about the family that moves into the house that used to be a funeral home and they come to believe that there's a gateway to hell in the basement? A&E did a pretty creepy special about that, bullshit or no.
Not the same case, but I remember the one you're talking about.

THE DEVIL IN CONNECTICUT was the case where a teenager killed his girlfriend's boss for getting drunk and hitting on her. He used the "devil made me do it" defense (a first in US legal history), and the Warrens got involved to essentially retcon a whole scenario that "proved" he was possessed. As a result, they made claims that the girlfriend's little brother had been possessed, and that the boyfriend had pulled a Father Karras ("Take me instead!"), and wrote a book to substantiate the claim. A ludicrous book it was, too.
post #35 of 38
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Originally Posted by RathBandu
"The Devil in Connecticut," is that the one about the family that moves into the house that used to be a funeral home and they come to believe that there's a gateway to hell in the basement? A&E did a pretty creepy special about that, bullshit or no.
That one is called A Haunting in Connecticut, which I believe led to A Haunting in Georgia, and now the series A Haunting, on the Discovery Channel. You're right, though, perhaps it's bullshit, but that story made for good goosebump TV.
post #36 of 38
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Originally Posted by devincf
I think you guys should do even the tiniest amount of research on this and you'll see how painfully false the whole thing is.
And it's already been covered in a CHUD thread. 4th post down:

http://chud.com/forums/showthread.ph...ght=amityville
post #37 of 38
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Originally Posted by Greg David
So did you steal the roll of money or what?
Lapdances don't pay for themselves.
post #38 of 38
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Originally Posted by Beautiful Nightmare
Actually, Amityville 2: The Possession was loosely based on the DeFeo murders.
This was bullshit though. I want to see the real story with the mobsters, drugs, family strife, teens plotting their families death.

I think Ronny Defoe did say he heard voices, but later recanted. He abused drugs and booze like a fiend back then so anything was possible.
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