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post #51 of 113
5/30/07 at 12:55pm
Great friggin' game. Delgado is officially out of his long-ass slump. He's working on a 6 game hitting streak, in which he has gone 11 for 25, which equates to .440. Multiple multiple home run games make me ESPECIALLY happy, cause he's on my fantasy team.

Ollie pitched a great game, too. too bad 3 of the 4 hits he gave up in 6+ innings were dingers.
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post #52 of 113
6/5/07 at 9:50pm
check it, Martinez throws off mound:

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"It was very encouraging. The coaches down there said he looked great," manager Willie Randolph said before his team played Philadelphia. "Good news. It's just nice to know that he's on his way back."

Said third baseman David Wright: "It's good news that we're probably going to have Pedro back for the home stretch. ... To add a Pedro down the stretch would be a huge boost for this team."
As long as the Mets keep rollin' along, once they do get Pedro back in August/September, all other NL teams will shit bricks. enough to build a house.
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post #53 of 113
6/6/07 at 10:55pm
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Originally Posted by 555

and for the record, Heilman is a fuck. ... after The Duke fucking SMOKED the fishes... Heilman fucking BLOWS it.

this pisses me off extra cause Hernandez is on my fantasy team, and i coulda used the win. fucking Heilman.
And the Em Effer does it again. El Duque pitches another gem (6.0 ip, 3 H, 3 B, 3 K, 0 ER), and hands over a 2-0 lead to Heilman, who promptly gives up three runs like he was ordering breakfast.

Plus Endy hurts him hammy.

momma told me there'd be days like these.
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post #54 of 113
6/8/07 at 11:42am
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Buck up buddy, the Mets are finally on the road, wins are sure to follow.
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post #55 of 113
6/8/07 at 12:48pm
thats true, but they are going to Detroit Rock City. Not exactly the Royals. and i hope the wins do follow, as they are on the verge of their first 5 game losing streak since 2005.

and another fantasy baseball quandry. i'm rooting for my mets, but i have Magglio, Placido and Curtis Granderson on my fantasy team. oh what to do, what to do...
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post #56 of 113
6/13/07 at 11:17pm
I will preface this by saying I'm a Phillies fan, and have not had enough time to watch the Mets these last two weeks. I watched the Phillies-Mets series and just felt the Phillies just got lucky winning 3 close games and they could have gone either way... but the Mets still have not turned it on. What is their problem? I did not think it was their starting pitching. They have not been great, but they have been good enough to win. It is kinda sad because they are the class of the division. The Phillies can win some games, and will probably be the only team to have a chance to catch the Mets, but it should not happen with the Phillies pen. What gives?

By the way, you guys need a starter since Glavine has gone cold.
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post #57 of 113
6/14/07 at 10:16am
i saw the phils lose one in Vet Stadium when I was about 7 years old. first ball game i ever went to, and i'll never forget it.

anyway, the mets have hit a nasty slump as a team, they're not hitting which is why they are not winning. With the exception of the last few outings, their starters have been fine. but when your entire outfield is on the DL, as well as members of your infield AND your #1 utility man is out, you're gonna struggle a bit.

and thank god The Glav isn't our only starter, or else i'd say your right. but el duque, ollie perez and jorge sosa have been lights out, and Maine aint doing bad either, he's just not getting his run support.

and also, to be honest, i dont think the phils have a shot of doin anything but finishin higher than third in the division this year. as a Mets fan, the only team i'm keeping my eye on is Hotlanta. cause old habits die hard.
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post #58 of 113
6/14/07 at 4:02pm
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Even the best teams hit an occasional bump in the road, and with the injuries, a slumping pitching staff and their recent schedule, the Mets have just hit one.

At no point during this season have the Mets really hit their stride. The offense has yet to hit on all cylinders this season, since, even when they were winning, Delgado and Wright weren't hitting. And now, after suffering all of these injuries, the pitching staff is finally faltering. It wont last long, and, as a Mets fan, I'm more surprised by the fact that no team in the East seems capable of taking any sort of advantage.
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post #59 of 113
6/14/07 at 6:37pm
So can the Mets actually win a game in Yankee Stadium this weekend? It'd sure be nice if a NL team could actually beat them.
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post #60 of 113
6/14/07 at 10:53pm
the mets will one at least one of em, but the yanks are SURGING right now, like they do every year. thats why i never count em out till at least the middle of September. they're the goddamned yankees!

so i'm thinkin they'll take one, hoping for two, fingers crossed for a cross town sweep!
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post #61 of 113
6/15/07 at 1:19am
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and also, to be honest, i dont think the phils have a shot of doin anything but finishin higher than third in the division this year. as a Mets fan, the only team i'm keeping my eye on is Hotlanta. cause old habits die hard.
Normally I would agree with you, but the Phillies are 32-20 since their brutal start and I expect it to continue around .580-.600 ball for the rest of the year. I only say this because they played .600 ball after they traded Abreu last year. So, I think if you have to worry about one team, you should worry about the Phillies. They will always hit, and they already had 15 days without Howard, and are going on nearly a month without their closer. You have to be impressed with what they are doing. Utley has to be looked at as an midseason MVP candidate. Prince Fielder is up there, along with Reyes and Peavy (I know I'm probably forgetting someone... maybe Aaron Rowand).

If the Phillies end up catching the Mets, then it will be a dogfight for the rest of the year. As long as another starter does not go down... or Myers can stay healthy... or please don't have Utley or Rollins get hurt... but if they stay kind of healthy, then it could be a pretty fun season in the NL East.

I still think the Mets will turn it around and go back to .615-.630 baseball. I just hope that doesn't happen for a couple more weeks.
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post #62 of 113
6/15/07 at 1:25am
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So can the Mets actually win a game in Yankee Stadium this weekend? It'd sure be nice if a NL team could actually beat them.
The Yankees did beat up a very good Arizona team, but the Pirates are terrible, as are the Blue Jays or whoever else they have been playing. The Mets, even playing poorly, could beat the Yanks 2 of 3 this weekend. I'm hoping they don't, but this type of series should make them focus, win some 1 run games, and possibly give them confidence and turn them around. Again... I hope not.
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post #63 of 113
6/15/07 at 9:48am
oh, i know all about Howard's 15 days on the DL, as well as the month of shitty baseball he played before it (man's on my fantasy team). with atlanta's loss last night, they squeaked ahead to second place by half a game. so maybe i was wrong about not worrying about the phils. we'll see. there's only, like, 100 friggin games left.
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post #64 of 113
6/15/07 at 6:00pm
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I'm sorry, but if the Mets are in a close race with the Phillies, instead of the Braves, come September... I'll take that in a heartbeat. The worst thing in baseball is to bet on a team with a bullpen like that in a tight race.
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post #65 of 113
6/15/07 at 8:46pm
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The worst thing in baseball is to bet on a team with a bullpen like that in a tight race.
Their pen has been shit, but when Myers comes back it will be better. It has been pretty good for the last two week, but we'll see how long it keeps up.

The Phillies, with all their flaws, for the last 1/2 of the season last year played .600 ball. After the first 13 games this year, they are playing .600 ball.

I'm not a troll here. I think the Mets are the best team in the division. They should win the division, but I do not think the Phillies last two months have been a fluke.
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post #66 of 113
7/25/07 at 4:50pm
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Is it bad that I'm hoping Moises Alou keeps coming down with injuries? You know, just long enough for Willie to realize that Lastings Milledge is, right now, better than Shawn Green in every conceivable way.
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post #67 of 113
7/26/07 at 1:29pm
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I'm getting sick and tired of articles like this cropping up all the time about Milledge, I really am. John Maine hits his first professional homerun ever (by far the least likely Mets pitcher to hit one out) and in the excitement of it all—if you were watching, Maine even took a curtain call in what? the fourth inning?—the kid makes a gesture with his arm while rounding the bases.

This is a story? Why is the media trying to turn this 22 year old kid into a bad guy because he waved an arm while rounding third Tuesday night? Even Mets play-by-play-announcer Gary Cohen can't help but criticize Milledge, regardless of whether it's warranted or not.

To put it another way, why are Lastings Milledge's displays of exuberance considered off-putting and disrespectful, while Jose Reyes' are considered to be all in good fun?
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post #68 of 113
7/30/07 at 5:05pm
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According to the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, the Twins could be receiving catcher Drew Butera and outfielder Dustin Martin from the Mets in the Luis Castillo trade.
Rotoworld.com
To give an idea of where these guys were on the organizational chart, well, heres John Sickel's estimation during Spring Training:

1. Fernando Martinez, OF, A- (tools and youth, just needs refinement)
2. Mike Pelfrey, RHP, Grade A- (I think the breaking pitch problem is overblown. He had a good one in college and I think he'll find it again. I am sticking with my guns on this one)
3. Phil Humber, RHP, B+ (Many prefer him over Pelfrey, I like both)
4. Carlos Gomez, OF, B (great tools, but I'm not sure about his power)
5. Jon Niese, LHP, B- (projectable lefty is a personal favorite)
6. Deolis Guerra, RHP, B- (live arm, a long way away)
7. Kevin Mulvey, RHP, B- (accidently left off first list)
8. Joe Smith, RHP, B- (impressive reliever could advance fast)
9. Mike Carp, 1B, B- (developing power bat to watch)
10. Alay Soler, RHP, C+ (Cuban defector looks better as a reliever to me than a starter)
11. Adam Bostick, LHP, C+ (acquired from the Marlins, good breaking ball)
12. Josh Stinson, RHP, C+ (interesting arm but another guy who will need time)
13. Sean Henry, OF, C+ (toolsy, skills may be developing)
14. Mike Devany, RHP, C (looks like a utility pitcher to me)
15. Nick Evans, 3B, C (making slow progress)
16. Shawn Bowman, 3B, C (back injuries two years in a row)
17. Michel Abreu, 1B, C (good stats, but how old is he? 26? 31? 52?)
18. Stephen Holmes, RHP, C (intriguing arm from '06 draft)
19. Tobi Stoner, RHP, C (control artist dominated New York-Penn League)
20. Brandon Nall, RHP, C (good numbers but old for the level)
21. Dustin Martin, OF, C (hit .315 in the NY-P but strikes out a lot)
MinorLeagueBall.com


And on top of all of that, the Mets basically threw organizational filler at a rental plus a first round pick when they let Castillo go at the end of the season? I can't help but think that this deal is a steal.
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post #69 of 113
8/6/07 at 11:53am
Thread Starter 
4-2 Against the Brewers and the Cubs, while maintaining a five game (in the loss column) lead over the Braves and Philliese, you really couldn't ask for more...

Except...

What the fuck was David Newhan batting second for? Especially with Reuben Gotay batting eighth? And why is Lastings Milledge still batting in front of the pitcher? I know fans naturally hate their team's manager, but I'm not sure how much more learning on the job I can take.
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post #70 of 113
8/7/07 at 5:55pm
Haha. I love how Milledge has been one of your very few reliable hitters and he's still treated with no respect.
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post #71 of 113
8/19/07 at 7:16pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by MoNkaholic
4-2 Against the Brewers and the Cubs, while maintaining a five game (in the loss column) lead over the Braves and Philliese, you really couldn't ask for more...
Six games against Pittsburgh and Washington sure can cure almost any ailment. And if the Phillies successfully blow their game against the Pirates (its delayed), you can just take that "in the loss column" caveat right out...

The New York Mets would have the largest lead in all of Major League Baseball.
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post #72 of 113
8/23/07 at 11:36pm
That Padres / Mets series was fucking great.
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post #73 of 113
8/24/07 at 2:36pm
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Probably their most entertaining series of the year, and I'd be annoyed if, you know, the Braves/Phillies actually managed to pick up a game here or there.

As for the team itself, Carlos Delgado looks fucking lost at the plate, and the entire rotation appears to be going through the usual August swoon. If not for the fact that the Mets' bats, as a whole, are finally putting crooked numbers on the bored, I'd actually be worried.
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post #74 of 113
9/2/07 at 6:38pm
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And suddenly, the Mets' record against the Braves is 7-8, I wonder if that slapped the grin off Schuerholz's mug.

Heck, maybe this time he'll trade away two starting pitchers.
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post #75 of 113
9/13/07 at 1:34am
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"I've run out of things to say. We're not as good as them. They've won every game against us they had to win. That's why they're where they are. We have to find a way to win these close games, and I am talking about next year as well as the next couple of weeks." -- Smoltz on the Mets
Amazing how quickly these things change...
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post #76 of 113
9/13/07 at 1:56pm
Thread Starter 
April:
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Originally Posted by MoNkaholic
Anyway, to give an idea of what I expect from this rotation:

Tom Glavine - 185IP 3.75ERA
John Maine - 175IP 4.00ERA
*Oliver Perez - 165IP 4.25ERA
El Duque - 125IP 4.00ERA
Mike Pelfrey - 125IP 4.50ERA

*Oliver Perez can be absolutely anything, put up an ERA between 3.75-4.75 if he pitches a full season, or, hell, find himself in the minors by season's end.
September:

Tom Glavine - 182.1IP 3.95ERA
John Maine - 174IP 3.72ERA
Oliver Perez - 160.2IP 3.42ERA
El Duque - 144IP 3.75ERA

Mike Pelfrey - 62IP 5.29ERA*
Jorge Sosa - 80.1IP 4.59ERA*

*Combined fifth starter - 142.1IP 4.75ERA

Its nice to see the rotation really improve to the degree that they seemed capable of achieving, especially in the innings pitched department. While Mike Pelfrey remains the loan disappointment of the bunch, hes shown promise since being called back up.

As for where the Mets starting rotation ranks, 2006 saw them ranked 16th in starting pitching, 2007? Fourth. Thank you pundits for having absolutely no fucking clue what you were talking about.
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post #77 of 113
9/16/07 at 5:44pm
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Its been quite some time since I've seen the Mets play this bad.
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post #78 of 113
9/16/07 at 8:46pm
Hard to believe that was pennant chase baseball, eh?
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post #79 of 113
9/17/07 at 4:28am
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11 walks and 6 errors, Jesus Christ, I have to go back to the Roberto Alomar/Mo Vaughn days to come up with something comparable...
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post #80 of 113
9/17/07 at 11:04am
Yup. Phils played an ugly game by normal standards, although beautiful in comparison. Still managed to strike out ten times and win.
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post #81 of 113
9/17/07 at 6:06pm
Damn you, Phillies. Damn you.
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post #82 of 113
9/17/07 at 6:12pm
I'm sure you won't feel so bad about this series once the Mets are in the postseason and the Phillies are out.
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post #83 of 113
9/18/07 at 2:40pm
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While I'm not all crazy enthusiastic about the Mets losing again, when Pedro (still on five days rest) and El Duque (out for God knows how long) force you into pitching Brian Lawrence, the outcome is all but inevitable.

But the real problem is Jose Reyes. I don't know what happened to him during the All-Star break, but hes been a completely different player since, and now whatever is hampering his bat is beginning to seep into his defensive play. I mean, come on, 10 errors in two games, three of which coming from your Gold Glove calibur shortstop? Jesus...

Now with that rant behind me, last time the Phillies got this close, this Mets team responded, can they do it again? Well, momentum is as good as your next starting pitcher, and I believe John Maine can bring them back from the brink. That, or, well, this Mets team is going to stumble around and drop the division in the most spectacular of fashions.
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post #84 of 113
9/18/07 at 4:06pm
They'll be fine. Even if they continue to struggle, the Phils will likely drop the four-game series in RFK. They just don't play well there.
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post #85 of 113
9/18/07 at 9:23pm
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That's probably the only reason why I haven't gone batshit, but seriously, if the Mets plan on averaging five errors a game, it probably doesn't matter what the Phillies do.
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post #86 of 113
9/21/07 at 2:32pm
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In Pedro We Trust.

That is all.
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post #87 of 113
9/27/07 at 2:34pm
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Mets starting pitchers going into the final four:
Martinez - 3-0, 2.57 ERA
Perez - 15-9, 3.32 ERA
Maine - 14-10, 4.07 ERA (6.11 ERA Post All-Star)
Glavine - 13-7, 4.14 ERA

Phillies starting pitchers going into the final four:
Kendrick - 9-4, 3.83 ERA
Hamels - 14-5, 3.54 ERA (Hasn't thrown six innings since August 16th)
Eaton - 10-9, 6.33 ERA
Moyer - 13-12, 5.15 ERA

If the Mets blow this, they're blowing it with their best, and with a game to burn, they should be in good shape. If the Mets don't win this division, I'll be disappointed, but I have to say, regardless of how badly they've played these past few weeks, this has been the most entertaining September I've ever followed.

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Originally Posted by MoNkaholic
In Pedro We Trust.
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post #88 of 113
9/27/07 at 3:49pm
The only comforting thing about Moyer and Eaton is that they're pitching at home. Which means they'll get knocked around, but we'll at least have a chance to knock around whomever the Nats send to the mound.

I'm interested to see if Charlie makes any other starters (like Lohse, for instance) available over the weekend.

But I am with you -- this has been an amazing September. I'll be at the Phils game tonight, and will try to figure out how to watch a game and seven game scores simultaneously. And seriously, look at tonight's NL schedule -- aside from that bum Astros/Reds game, every other one has playoff implications. I love it.
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post #89 of 113
9/27/07 at 10:29pm
Wow.

I can't believe this race, if the leads hold, it will be tied. I know I'm about to throw shit at the tv evertime I watch the Cubs. I can't imagine what Mets fans are doing.

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I'll be disappointed, but I have to say, regardless of how badly they've played these past few weeks, this has been the most entertaining September I've ever followed.
Seriously? I'd be fucking dying right now. Mets have a great shot to get to the World Series. No guarentees they get here again with this group of players.

If the Mets lose is this close to an all time choke job? Up 7 on Sept.12 and double digits earlier. That's rough.
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post #90 of 113
9/28/07 at 1:01am
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel
Wow.

I can't believe this race, if the leads hold, it will be tied. I know I'm about to throw shit at the tv evertime I watch the Cubs. I can't imagine what Mets fans are doing.


Seriously? I'd be fucking dying right now. Mets have a great shot to get to the World Series. No guarentees they get here again with this group of players.

If the Mets lose is this close to an all time choke job? Up 7 on Sept.12 and double digits earlier. That's rough.
This Met fan is pissed as hell. Even as they were blowing it, I wasnt that nervous becasue the Mets have a way more well rounded team and I figured we would pull it out. We still may even do that yet but now I am actually nervous as hell about it. I cant believe Pineiro shut us out tonight.
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post #91 of 113
9/28/07 at 1:49am
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Honestly? I think I'm just in shock. It doesn't even make any sense. There isn't something to point a finger at, the Mets just decided, as a team, to no longer be any good. What is there to do?

And in light of all of this, I can't muster any sort of fear for the Phillies, because, well, I simply cannot believe that they'll pull it out in the end. Perhaps its just years of conditioning, but fear of the Phillies simply does not compute, logic be damned.
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post #92 of 113
9/28/07 at 5:50pm
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And in light of all of this, I can't muster any sort of fear for the Phillies, because, well, I simply cannot believe that they'll pull it out in the end. Perhaps its just years of conditioning, but fear of the Phillies simply does not compute, logic be damned.
Phillies fans feel the same exact way, but for some reason this year the Phils have always found a way to bounce back and win games they have no business winning (Loshe going 7 innings on Wednesday??? Amazing.)
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post #93 of 113
9/30/07 at 2:13am

mets vs marlins game 162!!!

Big time mets fan here.basically watched or heard all 161 games on radio, and like all mets fans, Im still in shock that its come down to this, but if theres one team capable of blowing a 7 game lead with 17 games to go and coming back to win the division on the final day, its The New York Mets. Glavine needs 2 atone for his last 2 horribly unclutch outings..hopefully the mets bats did not get tired over the thrashing they did today and I must give John Maine props. Came up aces and erased partially the absolute stunker he had in washington...8 runs in 3 2/3 against the worst hitting team in the majors..digusting..with that said, dontrelle willis is always good against the mets, however, he's doing below par this year and the mets are due.. I mean cmon, they should have a month of frustration to release on the marlins and hopefully in the playoffs!!

ya gotta believe!!
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post #94 of 113
9/30/07 at 2:32pm
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Originally Posted by S-Mart
ya gotta believe!!
a 5 inning first, and counting, doesn't bode well. It's the Phillies to lose.
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post #95 of 113
9/30/07 at 2:46pm
Awesome
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post #96 of 113
9/30/07 at 6:37pm
Such a great end. Couldn't have happened to a better team. Fucking DONE!
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post #97 of 113
9/30/07 at 6:39pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Nick Nunziata
Awesome
No expletive exists for the hatred I have for you right now.

Anyway...

An unbearable game to watch, made even worse by Gary Cohen basically blaming the loss on Lastings Milledge "firing up the Marlins" whenever he could, and you know, not Tom Glavine for being some sort of sleeper agent for the Atlanta Braves. All that was missing was for Glavine to rip off his Mets jersey to reveal a Braves jersey underneath.

My only solace comes from the fact that it will be the Braves, and not the Mets, relying on Glavine's ass in games like this next season.

Congratulations to the Philadelphia Phillies, I always kind of felt sorry for Philadelphia fans, as they were the only other group of fans I could imagine rooting for teams worst than mine, so its nice to see them get something... I just wish it didn't have to come at the expense of Mets fans.

The Future:
Omar Minaya needs to fire Willie Randolph, and not just because he deserves it, but also because he needs to be the sacrificial lamb. The New York Mets, contrary to this inexplicable collapse, have a world of talent, and do not need to make the sort of splash that a team normally would after a season like this.

Who to get rid of:
Paul "She Looked 18 to Me" LoDuca
Shawn Green
Tom Glavine
Jose Valentin
Guillermo Mota
David Newhan
Sandy Alomar Jr.
Aaron Sele
Jeff Conine

Who to hold onto, at least for the short term:
Moises Alou
Ramon Castro

Holes to address via free agency or trade:
Catcher: Assuming the Mets re-sign Ramon Castro, they need a somewhat reliable catcher to split time with him, and that catcher is not Paul LoDuca.
Second Base: Re-signing Luis Castillo is playing with fire, but I wont be totally against it if its a short term contract, a la Moises Alou's last deal.
Bullpen: RHP, they don't have to break the bank, but a reliable RHP should help provide a safety net in case Duaner Sanchez and Ambiorix Burgos fail to come back strong from their injuries.


Ideal 2008 Mets Roster
Rotation
1 - Pedro Martinez
2 - Oliver Perez
3 - John Maine
4 - El Duque/Philip Humber
5 - Mike Pelfrey/Philip Humber

Bullpen
CL - Billy Wagner
SU - Aaron Heilman
SU - Duaner Sanchez
RHP - Free Agent X
LHP - Pedro Feliciano
LOOGY - Schot Schoeneweis
ROOGY - Joe Smith

Everyday Players
C - Ramon Castro/Free Agent X
1B - Carlos Delgado
2B - Free Agent X
SS - Jose Reyes
3B - David Wright
RF - Lastings Milledge
CF - Carlos Beltran
LF - Moises Alou/Carlos Gomez

Bench
OF - Carlos Gomez
OF - Endy Chavez
IF - Ruben Gotay
+ Pop from the left side
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post #98 of 113
9/30/07 at 6:50pm
Such a great team! Such great fans! Booing their team in the 7th inning. Good riddance.
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post #99 of 113
9/30/07 at 6:54pm
It took to the 7th for Mets fans to boo? They should have been doing that coming off the field 7-0 in the first.

Tough break. Bye-bye Willie Randolph?
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post #100 of 113
9/30/07 at 7:03pm
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Originally Posted by Nick Nunziata
Such a great team! Such great fans! Booing their team in the 7th inning. Good riddance.
Yeah, the Braves sure have better fans, you know, if they ever show up.
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