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post #151 of 161
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The Matrix sequels pretend to be intelligent film by using confusing dialogue, convoluted backstory. The movie is screaiming "I AM INTELLIGENT". And they're bad movies. Put these together and you get intense hate.

And, as a few others have noted, the Warchowski's are basically name dropping various philosophers without much depth.
So they took a couple of courses in philosophy in college. Big fucking deal.
I enjoyed the first film, but even then I thought the "pop philosophy" was a little annoyning, but not enough to detract from a great ride.
But the sequels managed to take all the weak elements from the first film and few of the good elements. Yeah, the sequels have a couple of great action sequences, but other then that I really disliked them.
post #152 of 161
Felt like bumping this with some thoughts on the various films:

The Matrix-It's a bit more flawed than people think (Cypher, while entertaining, is such a tool that his valid argument doesn't get much sympathy), but it's still a damn good film. It also proves that Keanu Reeves, when you cast him right, can actually work pretty well acting-wise; one of my favorite moments in the film is post-resurrection Neo's near-effortless blocking Smith's attacks, and Reeves' blank facial expression helps the realization that Neo is so much more powerful now (Hugo Weaving's increasingly furious demeanor helps as well).

The Animatrix-Arguably the best thing to come out of the sequels, mainly because it delivers on the promise of the first film and really explores the world the Wachowskis created. The only short I'm not that fond of is Kid's Story, which despite an interesting art style is tiresome teen angst. The rest are pretty much aces: The Second Renaissance provides a deep, compelling look into the origins of the Matrix. Beyond, perhaps my favorite film out of the bunch, takes a look at how the weirdness of the Matrix can affect daily life. Program is a beautifully animated affair that gives more credence and sympathy to Cypher's argument from the first film. Final Flight of the Osiris is a dazzling display of computer animation and action. World Record delivers on its nifty premise with a unique art style. A Detective Story is a neat spin on how the world of the Matrix can be interpreted story-wise. Finally, Matriculated, while really damn weird (and Peter Chung's character designs continue to baffle me; the only place I think they've completely worked is that animated Riddick film he did), is an interesting perspective flip for the machines.

The Matrix Reloaded-Yeah, it's deeply flawed; there's way too much philosophizing (though some of it is entertaining), and I wish Neo could just use superpowers or something instead of the same kung-fu tricks. Admittedly, said kung-fu tricks are still pretty entertaining, and the two major setpieces (the Burly Brawl, the insane freeway chase) are spectacular. Hugo Weaving and Laurence Fishburne remain the best actors in the films, Keanu is still fun (love his sarcastic "Really?" when he's in the mountains), Monica Bellucci is a mouth-watering beauty, Lambert Wilson is clearly having a blast, and I actually like the Architect scene since we actually get some straight answers as to what the Matrix is and how it works. In short, I dig it.

The Matrix Revolutions-I still like this movie for the spectacle and certain actors (Reeves, Weaving, Fishburne), but God there's lots of padding. We don't need the Kid, we don't need the needless Link subplot, we don't need Asshole Commander Lock, and we sure as hell don't need a death scene that feels like an hour long.... but the awesomeness of the Zion siege and the final battle between Neo and Smith is hard to deny. The latter feels like live-action Dragonball Z done right, and there's a lot more of that wild-and-crazy aesthetic/feel in Speed Racer. I like it with massive reservations.
post #153 of 161
But it's Joey Pants playing the tool! Therefore you are wrong. Hehehe.

The Animatrix, while hit and miss for me, was no doubt a fantastic way to expand on the world of The Matrix. The 2 part Second Renaissance was definitely my favorite (though I lean more towards part 1). It did a much better job fleshing out the POV of the machines than either of the sequels did and was a great appetizer for the Architect scene in Reloaded. It simply MAKES The Animatrix for me.

Amongst those are ones I find in variations of really cool, fun, interesting, forgettable, and tedious. Matriculated is probably the one I dislike the most. The main idea behind it is interesting, but it just feels so damned long.

Final Flight just felt like a scene deleted from the theatrical movies.
post #154 of 161
I caught some of Revolutions a couple of months back. What a lifeless film. Watching either of the sequels brings back such negative memories, it's tough to watch any part of them.
post #155 of 161
nooj, don't get me wrong: I love me some Joey Pants. But he's so sleazy from the get-go that it doesn't take long to pin him as the traitor (the name doesn't help). Still, he's definitely one of the better actors in the crew; most of Morpheus' compadres are blandly acted stereotypes, though I was amused by Mouse's rant on Tasty Wheat (the guns he uses right before he dies are also quite cool).
post #156 of 161
The first film is great, no question about that.

However the only thing I took away from the sequals was that Neo is basically Norton Antivirus.
post #157 of 161
Something I do have to admire about the Wachowskis is that they do have their own "vision" and an unmistakable style, i.e. you can look at the screen and say, "Yeah, this is a Wachowski Bros. movie" within the first few minutes. That's something most of my favorite directors (Spielberg, Scorsese, Peter Jackson, the Coen Brothers, Hitchcock, etc.) share, and definitely something to admire.
post #158 of 161
I loved Matrix so much. Matrix is my second favorite movie after Independence Day. The sequels ruined the first movie in a lot of ways.
post #159 of 161
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Something I do have to admire about the Wachowskis is that they do have their own "vision" and an unmistakable style, i.e. you can look at the screen and say, "Yeah, this is a Wachowski Bros. movie" within the first few minutes. That's something most of my favorite directors (Spielberg, Scorsese, Peter Jackson, the Coen Brothers, Hitchcock, etc.) share, and definitely something to admire.
Really? You can instantly identify a flim by Spielberg through his style?
post #160 of 161
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Really? You can instantly identify a flim by Spielberg through his style?
Well, not instantly, but Spielberg's style tends to recognizably be his own and not that of another filmmaker (though he does do some Kubrickian stuff in A.I. and Minority Report), and this can apply to almost any other director with a strong sense of style: Hitchcock, Scorsese, the Coen Brothers, the aforementioned Stanley Kubrick... the list goes on.
post #161 of 161
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Really? You can instantly identify a flim by Spielberg through his style?
You really think Spielberg's films don't have recognizable stylistic signatures?
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