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post #12301 of 16694
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As for Kitsch, he may not make it to leading man status on the big screen, but it won't be because of two high profile flops. Neither Carter of Battleship rested on his shoulders. It's more about how good his reps are at this point.

 

He better sign with Colin Farrell's rep.

post #12302 of 16694
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Well, Avengers officially wiped its dick on Battleship's mouth......just like I expected it to.  Sucks to be you, Universal!

 

I know everyone's pissed at Universal for pulling the plug on ATMOM, but for many years they had a devotion to making interesting and geek-beloved projects (Scott Pilgrim, Drag Me To Hell, Serenity, Hellboy, Children of Men) that just didn't deliver. What paid for them were Fast and Furious, Meet the Fockers, and Smurfs movies. What else are they going to do? No one's had worse luck in the geek cinema realm than Universal.

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 What else are they going to do?

 

Not make Battleshit?

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I wish I could be convinced as everyone else that Prometheus was going to be great. Sure, the trailers are impressive, but it's still an unnecessary prequel from a filmmaker whose triumphs, while major, are few and far between. You could argue that he hasn't made a great film in over a decade, and even that is maybe being too generous to Gladiator. (Haven't seen the fabled director's cut of Kingdom of Heaven, but I'm not sure it'll fix my issues with that film.)

 

I don't get this.  And I'm not trying to single you out, because I know many people have said similar things about Scott, but look at his filmography, he's always been hit and miss.  And looking at his work in the 2000's, you've got Gladiator, Black Hawk Down, Matchstick Men, American Gangster, and the director's cut of Kingdom of Heaven, which I would rank among his best films.  Sure, there's some terrible films sandwiched between those, but the man is still capable of greatness. 

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Still, The Avengers' $56m weekend crushes Mirror Mirror's third weekend gross of $6.8m. Handily, some might say.

 

It really depends on what kind of metric you use.  Yes, on the "dollars" scale, Avengers leads, as you say, handily.  But there is more to this world than just dollars, you scum-sucking pig!

post #12306 of 16694
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 What else are they going to do? 

 

Make quality genre films.  Those tend to make money.

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Make quality genre films.  Those tend to make money.

 

Drag Me to Hell and Children of Men are not quality genre films? Discussions can be had about Scott Pilgrim, Serenity and Hellboy (I like, love and like them respectively), but I thought those other two were pretty highly regarded all around.

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Drag Me to Hell and Children of Men are not quality genre films? 

 

Who said they weren't?

 

It's a roll of the dice every time.  There is no formula and there are no guarantees.  But the safest way to make money is make quality genre films and market then properly.

post #12309 of 16694
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Who said they weren't?

 

You did by selectively editing Prankster's comment. His point was that they took their chances on a lot of quality genre films and it bit them in the wallet. Then they make millions by producing dreck. They decided to back away from a (likely) quality genre film and put their money on dreck... boy, they just can't win, can they?

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You did by selectively editing Prankster's comment. His point was that they took their chances on a lot of quality genre films and it bit them in the wallet. Then they make millions by producing dreck. They decided to back away from a (likely) quality genre film and put their money on dreck... boy, they just can't win, can they?

 

Well I didn't mean to imply they weren't quality.

 

And like I said, there are no guarantees in the film business.  Bad movies make money and good movies make money and there is no way to tell if and when that will happen.  So, that being said, the best case is to make movies you're proud of and market them properly.  If you have a bad run, you have a bad run, studios have been having cold streaks for decades, but they always bounce back.  The problem is, each temporary regime that comes into a studio and runs it is so paranoid about being fired, they take what they believe is the easy road and produce shit believing it will make money.  But so do quality films.  But those require a more hands off approach, and they can't stand not having control.

 

Instead of gambling on a GDT movie with Cameron producing, they gambled on Peter Berg trying to impress his Navy Seal buddies.  They lost.  Maybe they would've lost with GDT but there's never a way to tell.  If they don't like it, get out of the film business.

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And as to the question "what else are they going to do?"...what they should do is take the high road.  Be better.  Do the right thing.  Make quality films.  Making decisions out of fear and paranoia is always a bad thing.  We come to expect the worst in people, and this is why standards in this world are so fucking low.  If they don't have the stomach to ride out the slumps, why should we have to suffer for their bad judgement?  As a film viewer, as an audience member, I want good films, not excuses because they're too afraid to do what's best "oh, well I see, what else were you going to do but make a shitty film from the get go...poor thing".  No.

 

They'll do what they do, but this is merely my opinion on the matter.


Edited by Ambler - 5/20/12 at 12:34pm
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In fairness, Universal made some stupid FINANCIAL decisions on said geek properties.

 

A "Wolf Man" movie with Benicio Del Toro? Sure! A "Wolf Man" movie that costs $150 million and goes through a billion re-writes and two directors? Uh, sure, whatever!

 

Matt Damon and Paul Greengrass working together on an action film? Yeah! It's set in the Middle East, costs $130 million, and is rated-R? Uh, ok, let's do it!

 

Edgar Wright directing a cult comic book adaptation no one has heard of with a hot cast of young up-and-comers? Sure! $60 million budget and a summer release date against two behemoths? Can't fail!

post #12313 of 16694
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And like I said, there are no guarantees in the film business.  Bad movies make money and good movies make money and there is no way to tell if and when that will happen.  So, that being said, the best case is to make movies you're proud of and market them properly.

 

Obviously I agree with this, but ATMOM was a BIG gamble--it would have been a tentpole budget spent on a director without a smash hit on his resume, in the horror genre (which can be successful with low or medium-budgeted films, but is clearly always going to be a niche), based on a property very few people have heard of. Of course I would rather see it than Battleship, but people are gleefully going "Ha ha, fuck you, Universal!" as if they were the enemy of genre cinema, when based on recent history it's been just the opposite. Compare them to, for instance, 20th Century Fox. If even one or two of the movies I mentioned had been a real success, we might have gotten ATMOM the way Del Toro had wanted it, and that's a risk I doubt any other studio would have taken even if they were doing better than Universal. Hell, if Battleship had been a massive smash, maybe we STILL would have gotten it. Bigger, mainstreamier films finance cultier geek films. This shit doesn't happen in a vacuum, is what I'm saying.

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Obviously I agree with this, but ATMOM was a BIG gamble

 

In hindsight, it's no more of a gamble than Battleshit.  Battleshit is based on a board game few of the target demo have heard of.  It's a generic looking Transformers clone that people smell from a mile away.  With no major names to offset these things.  

 

Mountain could've been handled like Prometheus.  Big, dark, cool looking sci-fi action horror...marketed very well, building significant buzz and doesn't even have any A-list stars on the roster.  Mountain would've had Cruise and Cameron's name on the credit as a booster...Universal has no excuses.  

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Come on now. A year ago, if someone had put a gun to your head and demanded you pick which of Battleship and ATMOM would be a success--not which one you'd like to see, which one would make more money at the box office--I think 9 out of 10 people who follow movies at all would have gone with Battleship. The mere fact that it's a tired Independence Day/Tansformers clone is precisely what makes it seem like a good bet--I mean, "Battle: Los Angeles" turned out to be a success, did that have some kind of genius to it that Battleship lacks?

 

Obviously the conventional logic turned out to be wrong, and believe me, I'm happy. And I totally agree, you have to make the movie you believe in. It's just that everyone's sneering at Universal for doing this (and applauding Disney for fuck's sake!) when Uni actually has a better track record for making good geeky movies and hoping they'll find an audience. The viewing public has let them down on that score.

 

Jeer Battleship, by all means, but don't turn it into a "fuck Universal" thing. That makes no sense if you're rooting for studios to make interesting movies.
 

post #12316 of 16694
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Come on now. A year ago, if someone had put a gun to your head and demanded you pick which of Battleship and ATMOM would be a success--not which one you'd like to see, which one would make more money at the box office--I think 9 out of 10 people who follow movies at all would have gone with Battleship. The mere fact that it's a tired Independence Day/Tansformers clone is precisely what makes it seem like a good bet--I mean, "Battle: Los Angeles" turned out to be a success, did that have some kind of genius to it that Battleship lacks?

Obviously the conventional logic turned out to be wrong, and believe me, I'm happy. And I totally agree, you have to make the movie you believe in. It's just that everyone's sneering at Universal for doing this (and applauding Disney for fuck's sake!) when Uni actually has a better track record for making good geeky movies and hoping they'll find an audience. The viewing public has let them down on that score.

Jeer Battleship, by all means, but don't turn it into a "fuck Universal" thing. That makes no sense if you're rooting for studios to make interesting movies.

 

I'd seriously have put my money on the movie with Tom Cruise and James Cameron, fresh off Avatar, there to champion it. Cameron was going to be out front and center promoting it as the best 3D film since his record smashing hit. I'm a Universal fan though, and I am sorry to see them making bad bets on soul crushing stuff like Battleship. At least Ridley Scott's Monopoly movie is now probably dead for good.

Battle: LA also looked cool, where as everyone knows Battleship is based off a children's board game. I think the studio wildly overestimated the appeal of name recognition on Battleship. I think it was a negative in this case and kept people away.
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Obviously I agree with this, but ATMOM was a BIG gamble--it would have been a tentpole budget spent on a director without a smash hit on his resume, in the horror genre (which can be successful with low or medium-budgeted films, but is clearly always going to be a niche), based on a property very few people have heard of. Of course I would rather see it than Battleship, but people are gleefully going "Ha ha, fuck you, Universal!" as if they were the enemy of genre cinema, when based on recent history it's been just the opposite. Compare them to, for instance, 20th Century Fox. If even one or two of the movies I mentioned had been a real success, we might have gotten ATMOM the way Del Toro had wanted it, and that's a risk I doubt any other studio would have taken even if they were doing better than Universal. Hell, if Battleship had been a massive smash, maybe we STILL would have gotten it. Bigger, mainstreamier films finance cultier geek films. This shit doesn't happen in a vacuum, is what I'm saying.

 

Gamble?   Cruise, Cameron, Del Toro.  Hell, Avatar was more of a gamble then ATMOM!  Avatar had zero stars and Cameron's first movie in 13 years.  It was in 3D (that nobody was asking for), and new technology that had to be invented on the fly.    I know if I'm a studio I wouldn't bet against the man.  

 

No one was looking for a Battleship movie to be made.  This isn't a sure thing like Transformers was\is.

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I'd seriously have put my money on the movie with Tom Cruise and James Cameron, fresh off Avatar, there to champion it. Cameron was going to be out front and center promoting it as the best 3D film since his record smashing hit. I'm a Universal fan though, and I am sorry to see them making bad bets on soul crushing stuff like Battleship. At least Ridley Scott's Monopoly movie is now probably dead for good.
Battle: LA also looked cool, where as everyone knows Battleship is based off a children's board game. I think the studio wildly overestimated the appeal of name recognition on Battleship. I think it was a negative in this case and kept people away.

 

Fox would've of gotten it done considering they have backed just about all of Cameron's films.  

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if someone had put a gun to your head and demanded you pick which of Battleship and ATMOM would be a success--not which one you'd like to see, which one would make more money at the box office--I think 9 out of 10 people who follow movies at all would have gone with Battleship. 

 

Their job isn't to predict success, because if they could, they wouldn't be working at a studio, they'd be hustling the tables at Vegas all day.  Nobody knows anything as William Goldman once said.

 

There is no way to predict success...even educated guessing is a fool's errand because it's just impossible to predict and audiences are unbelievably unpredictable.  The only reason the studios market test and all that is to cover their ass from their shareholders, so if it bombs, they can fall back on "hey, we only did what the research told us!".  But like I said, as an audience member, I have no sympathy.  They went for the shit movie and it's bombing.  If they had made the better movie and it bombed, at least I (and many others) would have the blu ray to pick up a few months later and put their film more into the black, as opposed to Battleshit, which hardly anybody is going to go to Best Buy for.  Good movies find an audience, even if it takes longer.  That's another side of it in which making the better movie makes more sense...rewatch value, which equals more money.

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Did the Overseas numbers for John Carter do enough from saving it being an outright flop?

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Did the Overseas numbers for John Carter do enough from saving it being an outright flop?

Obviously not if Disney took a 200M write off.  I'm thinking the marketing budget was obscene.  

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Did the Overseas numbers for John Carter do enough from saving it being an outright flop?

 

 With a budget of $250 million+ absolutely not.

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In hindsight, it's no more of a gamble than Battleshit.  Battleshit is based on a board game few of the target demo have heard of.  It's a generic looking Transformers clone that people smell from a mile away.  With no major names to offset these things.  

 

Mountain could've been handled like Prometheus.  Big, dark, cool looking sci-fi action horror...marketed very well, building significant buzz and doesn't even have any A-list stars on the roster.  Mountain would've had Cruise and Cameron's name on the credit as a booster...Universal has no excuses.  


Yeah, until the public saw the first trailers and said, "Man, that looks just like that "Thing" movie they were advertising a year ago, only with Tom Cruise."

 

That, and for all its promotion, it's still a bit of a longshot that Prometheus is going to be a smash hit.  ATMOM was reaching a point where it was going to have to make Passion of the Christ level money to turn a profit, and I don't think Lovecraft is quite as popular as Jesus.

post #12324 of 16694

Avengers cancels out John Carter and then some.

 

Battleship was no doubt pitched as a very Transformers type experience three or four years ago, when even the shittest Transformers movie possible would make 400 million. It was based on a pre-existing property, which sure, no one cared about, but on paper likely looked very much like Transformers. And if you're going to shamelessly clone something popular, I'd say it's a fair notion to think that Transformers would be the ideal thing to do that with - it's about as soulless as these things get. And Battleship is rated PG-13, not the ATMOM R, which was pretty much the only thing guaranteed about ATMOM.

 

Wait till we see Prometheus's numbers before we decide this was a horrible financial decision. Battleship will probably get into the black at some point.

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Battleship was no doubt pitched as a very Transformers type experience three or four years ago, when even the shittest Transformers movie possible would make 400 million. It was based on a pre-existing property, which sure, no one cared about, but on paper likely looked very much like Transformers. And if you're going to shamelessly clone something popular, I'd say it's a fair notion to think that Transformers would be the ideal thing to do that with - it's about as soulless as these things get.

 

So when do I get my Gobot film?

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Yeah, until the public saw the first trailers and said, "Man, that looks just like that "Thing" movie they were advertising a year ago, only with Tom Cruise."

 

That, and for all its promotion, it's still a bit of a longshot that Prometheus is going to be a smash hit.  ATMOM was reaching a point where it was going to have to make Passion of the Christ level money to turn a profit, and I don't think Lovecraft is quite as popular as Jesus.

 

Passion made 611M WW.   That's certainly do-able with the pedigree behind the movie.  

post #12327 of 16694

No it isn't.

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So when do I get my Gobot film?

 

Never, now. Nice going, Battleship.

post #12329 of 16694

The prospect of a Hungry Hungry Hippos adaptation is looking increasingly shaky now also.

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No it isn't.

Why?  

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I think the Jesus being more popular than fictional ancient squid Gods thing has a lot to do with it. The Passion of the Christ is the very definition of a one off. Even deliberately Christian movies haven't come close to it.

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Yeah, until the public saw the first trailers and said, "Man, that looks just like that "Thing" movie they were advertising a year ago, only with Tom Cruise."

 

That's an amazing assumption you attempted there.

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Wait till we see Prometheus's numbers before we decide this was a horrible financial decision. Battleship will probably get into the black at some point.

 

As much as we'd like to compare, one has not much to do with the other.  If Prometheus succeeds, it doesn't mean Mountains would have and vice versa.  There is no formula.

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Yeah, Prometheus is probably a good bellwether for how ATMOM would have done. Also, please bear in mind that Cameron "producing" isn't as much of a selling point as Cameron actually DIRECTING, and that a year ago, Tom Cruise was seen more as a liability than a selling point.

 

Again, I mourn the loss of ATMOM and I really hope we still get it at some point. Maybe if Prometheus does well. But I'm just being realistic here, and Universal has been way more sympathetic to geek sensibilities than other studios, so I'm cutting them some slack. That's all.

 

The thing is, Ambler, I've made almost the exact argument you're making here in the past. That there's enough variability in success that it's worth everyone's time to make good movies that everyone's passionate about, market them well, and you'll probably do OK. But sadly, there IS blame to be cast on the audience here. I think studios could work to foster smarter audiences, too--they've increasingly been focusing in on the "teenage neanderthal" market and driven everyone else away; every so often they "rediscover" the female market, like they seem to be doing this year, but they mostly actively encourage a mindless, thuggish, consumerist mentality in their audiences. So I do place that on the studios to an extent. But here's the thing, Universal was trying harder than the others to foster good taste, and it wasn't sticking. Meanwhile, Disney has fostered some absolute pap recently, but they made the Avengers (and I guess John Carter, for some people) so all is forgiven!

 

It's more complicated than just saying "You made one bad movie, fuck you Universal!"

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Why?  

 

Coming off the back of the Hobbit Del Toro maybe would've had the clout to get it made, but as it is he has no real commercial track record, Cruise's star power is shaky (though admittedly his career is looking healthier now than it has been in recent years), and would've been an R-rated sci-fi horror with a bleak title and premise that don't exactly scream 'breakout crossover hit'. Prometheus is a safer bet on paper, and that's still not terribly safe.

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Jmacq1's comment also made me realize that, between Carpenter's The Thing and the original ALIEN, and now Prometheus, it kinda feels like we've already seen ATMOM on screen.

 

Of course, in 1996, I would have said that ALIENS is the only Starship Troopers adaptation we'd ever need, and that turned out to be wrong, so...
 

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Coming off the back of the Hobbit Del Toro maybe would've had the clout to get it made, but as it is he has no real commercial track record, Cruise's star power is shaky (though admittedly his career is looking healthier now than it has been in recent years), and would've been an R-rated sci-fi horror with a bleak title and premise that don't exactly scream 'breakout crossover hit'. Prometheus is a safer bet on paper, and that's still not terribly safe.

 

And Nolan had no real commercial track record.  Cruise and Cameron would obviously get top billing.  Don't get me wrong it's a gamble for sure, but I would hedge my bets on Cameron and Del Toro coming up wtih something and mindblowing then the money they spent on Battleship.  

 

Fox had the balls to gamble twice.  A 200M dollar titanic movie and a movie about blue freaking aliens in 3D.  That worked out pretty good.  At this point I'd think it's a smart movie to believe in what (Cameron) is doing.  

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Irrespective of all that, I was a bit surprised Cameron didn't just muscle ATMOM into existence himself. He's certainly got the clout and the money to shop it around at the least. 

 

Speaking of hindsight, it seems like del Toro made a mistake in not doing the Hobbit, especially seeing that it's coming out well before Pacific Rim and it would have gotten him some serious fuck you money. That said, maybe the passion just wasn't there.

 

Also something to remember, that recent interview where del Toro said Prometheus hews so closely to ATMOM that it would be redundant at this point. Sad, but it sounds like a dead project and a half.

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Also something to remember, that recent interview where del Toro said Prometheus hews so closely to ATMOM that it would be redundant at this point. Sad, but it sounds like a dead project and a half.

Good point I forgot about that.

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Speaking of hindsight, it seems like del Toro made a mistake in not doing the Hobbit, especially seeing that it's coming out well before Pacific Rim and it would have gotten him some serious fuck you money. That said, maybe the passion just wasn't there.

 

Nah if you recall when Del Toro jumped ship the film was still being talked about as if it may end up being another year or two away from production because of the whole MGM rights issue. Del Toro made what looked like a pretty understandable decision at the time.

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Yeah it sounds like he's lost interest at this point but who knows? If Pacific Rim does blockbuster numbers next summer maybe they'll greenlight it. If Prometheus does blockbuster numbers THIS summer maybe they'll greelight it considering the similarities.

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Alien invasions? Giant robots? A name that evokes thoughts of the ocean?  That might get changed.

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One little-remarked-upon box-office story is The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel. This goddamn thing (not saying it isn't good, haven't seen it) has been in the top ten for two weeks now, had the highest per-screen average over this weekend, and actually went up from #8 last weekend to #6 this weekend. This thing's the fucking Avengers of the 45-60 demographic, man. It's holding its own by serving a slice of the moviegoing public that generally gets ignored — well, all the time, but especially in the summer. It reminds me of ten summers ago, when Spider-Man dominated and then Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood strolled in and made almost $70 million. Counterprogramming, man. People say The Avengers appeals to everyone, but I see a lot of older folks at work who don't give a shit about The Avengers but will see the shit out of Best Exotic Marigold Hotel when it opens locally.

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One little-remarked-upon box-office story is The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel. This goddamn thing (not saying it isn't good, haven't seen it) has been in the top ten for two weeks now, had the highest per-screen average over this weekend, and actually went up from #8 last weekend to #6 this weekend. This thing's the fucking Avengers of the 45-60 demographic, man. It's holding its own by serving a slice of the moviegoing public that generally gets ignored — well, all the time, but especially in the summer. It reminds me of ten summers ago, when Spider-Man dominated and then Divine Secrets of the Ya-Ya Sisterhood strolled in and made almost $70 million. Counterprogramming, man. People say The Avengers appeals to everyone, but I see a lot of older folks at work who don't give a shit about The Avengers but will see the shit out of Best Exotic Marigold Hotel when it opens locally.

 

 

Well with the beloved older dem star power of having Nighy, Dench, Wilkinson and Smith in your movie all at once, the thing kinda is the Avengers of the septaganarian set. Hell I want to see it for those four.

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Good for Dev Patel!  Particularly after Airbender...

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Marigold Hotel made the extremely smart move of opening on Mother's Day weekend. It held pretty strong on word-of-mouth this week.

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I don't get this.  And I'm not trying to single you out, because I know many people have said similar things about Scott, but look at his filmography, he's always been hit and miss.  And looking at his work in the 2000's, you've got Gladiator, Black Hawk Down, Matchstick Men, American Gangster, and the director's cut of Kingdom of Heaven, which I would rank among his best films.  Sure, there's some terrible films sandwiched between those, but the man is still capable of greatness. 

 

100% agreed.  I'd also like to add that Ridley's career has always been a bit spotty from the get go.  Someone To Watch Over Me, White Squall, and G.I. Jane definitely come to mind.

 

 

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Obviously not if Disney took a 200M write off.  I'm thinking the marketing budget was obscene.  

 

Doubtful, considering the marketing was virtually non-existent until about two weeks before release.  I'm thinking they sold off most of their foreign rights and haven't seen much of that international dough.  If they had, they'd be Tron 3-ing the whole scenario and swearing up-and-down that "JOHN CARTER 2 WILL HAPPEN!"...despite no real interest in following through.  Hell, the studio head got thrown under the bus over the whole incident.  They KNOW they fucked up when it came to handling that film.  They had been content to let it die a quiet death until positive word started leaking out in the press (be it TV, print, online, etc.).  Once that happened, all of a sudden TV spots filled with the spectacle they should have been advertising from the get-go were all over the place.  It was too little too late though.  While I doubt it would have been a massive success had they advertised it that way from the start, it would have had a FAR less embarrassing time at the box office.

 

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Yeah, Prometheus is probably a good bellwether for how ATMOM would have done. Also, please bear in mind that Cameron "producing" isn't as much of a selling point as Cameron actually DIRECTING, and that a year ago, Tom Cruise was seen more as a liability than a selling point.

 

Disagreed on the Cameron front.  If you had polled people on who directed Super 8 or Real Steel based on the trailers, I guarantee 75% of them would have said Steven Spielberg because his name was all over the trailers.

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100% agreed.  I'd also like to add that Ridley's career has always been a bit spotty from the get go.  Someone To Watch Over Me, White Squall, and G.I. Jane definitely come to mind.

 

Historically, Someone To Watch Over Me doesn't belong on that list. It was well-reviewed and a modest success, and marked Scott's release from Director Jail after the expensive twin flops of Blade Runner and Legend.

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The same could be said for many Academy Award-winning films, but it still doesn't change the fact that many of them are bad movies.  Someone To Watch Over Me is an absolute mess.  An interesting one, but still a mess.

 

I get what you're saying though.  My intention was merely to show that people around tend to act like Ridley was an infallible cinematic God before the last decade came along...and that just isn't true.  He's consistently good overall, but he's occasional made lesser fare for over the past 30 years.

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Originally Posted by The Prankster View Post

Universal was trying harder than the others to foster good taste, and it wasn't sticking.

 

It's more complicated than just saying "You made one bad movie, fuck you Universal!"

 

Of course it was sticking.  It just didn't make alot of money.  But a good movie is a good movie, that's the primary aim always... and it conditions the audience a little more to expect them, and something would have caught on if they kept it up.  Bad runs happen.  The studios think about opening weekened mostly, it drives almost all their decision making.  As an audience member, it has nothing to do with me.

 

It's not that they made a bad movie, you could have the best intentions to make something great and it just doesn't turn out well.  It's that they set out to make a bad movie, they knew what they were doing.  I cannot excuse that, in any universe.

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