CHUD NUMBERS: Box Office Discussion Thread - Page 273

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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson 

Most likely is "Disturbed guy going where he knew there'd be a crowd and attention."

Exactly. This wasn't because it was The Dark Knight Rises, this was ANY midnight movie that was going to attract tons of people in one room all at once and big media attention.

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Originally Posted by User_32 

 

Exactly. This wasn't because it was The Dark Knight Rises, this was ANY midnight movie that was going to attract tons of people in one room all at once and big media attention.

100% agree.

It is going to have a small impact on the OW box office. Not much,but enough to probably put the Avengers OW record out of reach.

And, keeping up their record of stupidity in the last week,some TDKR fans are forming conspiracy theories that Disney/Marvel are  behind the shootings to defend the Avengers box office record.

Not a wack job fan but Disney corporation.

No debate now, the extreme TDKR fanboys have taken fan stupidity to a new level.

He's a fucking psycho who picked somewhere that he knew would have a lot of people.  Nothing more. 

Can't say I particularly care about how this will affect TDKR's opening.

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Originally Posted by dudalb 

100% agree.

It is going to have a small impact on the OW box office. Not much,but enough to probably put the Avengers OW record out of reach.

And, keeping up their record of stupidity in the last week,some TDKR fans are forming conspiracy theories that Disney/Marvel are  behind the shootings to defend the Avengers box office record.

Not a wack job fan but Disney corporation.

No debate now, the extreme TDKR fanboys have taken fan stupidity to a new level.

NO WAY? Are they serious or just being ridiculous on purpose? That's even more ridiculous than Rush's whole Bane is Bain rant.

This really took the air out of this debate for me. What a horrible tragedy.

To attempt to get back on track...

$30.6m at midnight for TDKR, second best all time.

A Intellectual Wannabe tries to tie in the movie with the shootings:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20120720/us-colorado-shooting-batman-questions/

God, if I had turned in something like that as a paper when I took my course in sociology, I would have gotten a "F".

So... how are things looking now for the 3-day?

Don't know.  It's a little less than I expected but only slightly.  I'd say 180 is the floor.  Wouldn't be shocked by anything higher.

Single day is looking to be a solid high 80s/low 90s.

Edited for stupidity. 

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Originally Posted by FilmNerdJamie 

Single day is looking to be a solid high 80s/low 90s.

Nice.  If it hits 90 then 200 over the weekend is in play.  It's not hitting Avengers at this point, but the first person who says "only" making 180-190m is a disappointment gets a nice punch to the face.

Regardless, it'll end up being the #2 opening weekend of all time and the biggest 2D opening.

Curious how word of mouth/CinemaScore will fare? Everyone walking outta my midnight screening was raving (I thought it was very good, but not great - not complaining, mind you!)

I've been checking Twitter and haven't seen a single negative reaction.  That's sort of stunning.

Weekdays will fare better for Bats compared to Avengers. At point, it becomes how close will it get to The Dark Knight's $535M. Still say it does $500M.

Does anyone think that the tragedy will more likely affect the long term box office rather than opening weekend (as much)?  I mean let's say your average moviegoer who would've seen the movie 4 times in the theater (the type of behavior that puts these films close to the billion mark) only sees it once or twice, not wanting to take a chance, knowing the film will be on dvd/blu in a matter of months anyway...where they can see it as much as they want in the relative safety of their home.

An unabridged timeline of Batman reactions from my facebook feed, reprinted without permission or attribution:

Some raves, some pans. My 700 person sample size might not be as large as twitter, but I can't imagine there are no pans on Twitter.

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Originally Posted by The Dark Shape 

Search for yourself -- just try both The Dark Knight Rises and #tdkr.

This was the first tweet I found that was not explicitly about the massacre after searching for The Dark Knight Rises.

https://twitter.com/Eugene_Simon/status/226445571328704514

I am sure it's an excellent film. I can't wait to see it (likely Monday or Tuesday). But declaring universal twitter acclaim is perhaps a road too far.

ETA: https://twitter.com/WhoJedi/status/226429323291291648

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Originally Posted by MikeI 

 

This was the first tweet I found that was not explicitly about the massacre after searching for The Dark Knight Rises.

 

https://twitter.com/Eugene_Simon/status/226445571328704514

 

I am sure it's an excellent film. I can't wait to see it (likely Monday or Tuesday). But declaring universal twitter acclaim is perhaps a road too far.

 

ETA: https://twitter.com/WhoJedi/status/226429323291291648

I'm not declaring anything.  I said that's what I observed when following audience reaction.

Here' are the immediate tweets when I just searched:

@jakemonteiro7

Holly crap the dark knight rises is unreal

@Metro_Virus

For me Dark Knight > Dark Knight Rises, but it's still a hell of a film. Really surprised how well Bane and Catwoman fit with the world.

@merzatweets

The Dark Knight Rises is amazing. Omg.

@joeconneran

Dark Knight Rises is a damn good movie

@LaurenDunn17

Dark knight rises was the best movie ever holllllllly crap

@SkinnyDope

I wanna see Dark knight rises again!!

@NakedNicolo

I was irritated by the dark knight rises. They couldve done so much better with the story and characters.

@MrZFemz

The dark knight rises was epic, I can't find any other word to describe it !!

These were posted within the last two minutes.

Looking like low $80s now for the opening day. Still great.

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Originally Posted by FilmNerdJamie 

Looking like low $80s now for the opening day. Still great.

That's almost as much as Mirror Mirror's production budget.

Where'd you read that?  Can't find anything with ERC, Hollywood Reporter, or Nikke Finke.

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Ah, Gitesh Pandya.

My bad.

Numbers are going to go back and forth all night. My guess is it settles on $82M. Whole thing is strange for WB. Their top dog release for the year is out, getting great reviews, great audience feedback, great business but then this terrible situation happens and it puts a damper on the whole thing.

I find their decision to not announce returns... odd. It ties the movie further to the tragedy and in no way makes up for this ridiculously poorly thought out quote: 

You were wrong. I think there might even have been information out at the time you all posted that proved you wrong. But you fell all over yourselves to make those erroneous statements because your instinctual response to a significant human tragedy was to protect a superhero movie franchise. An opportunity to pause and reflect, here.

Nobody is "wrong". What do we know? Calling himself the Joker and dying his hair red (Joker is green), completely clad in kevlar with a gas mask says what it said before; midnight movie that was going to attract tons of people in one room all at once and big media attention. 

Opportunity to pause and reflect is right. 12 people are dead. This isn't about who's right or wrong in a box office thread.

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Originally Posted by PWT3 

You were wrong. I think there might even have been information out at the time you all posted that proved you wrong. But you fell all over yourselves to make those erroneous statements because your instinctual response to a significant human tragedy was to protect a superhero movie franchise. An opportunity to pause and reflect, here.

You're looking for rational explanations of an irrational act. This is not how schizophrenia works. If David Berkowitz's neighbor didn't have a dog, he still would have killed those people.

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Originally Posted by PWT3 

But you fell all over yourselves to make those erroneous statements because your instinctual response to a significant human tragedy was to protect a superhero movie franchise.

Huh?  I don't even LIKE this franchise.  I'm not tryng to protect Batman, I'm trying to protect against irrational rushes to judgment based on nothing but hysteria and conjecture.

Besides, if Batman and the Joker never existed, this clown would have still done what he did.  The focus needs to be on the man and his actions, not what he dressed up as to do them.

120M WW so far.....

Hey guys, he's a troll. But which troll?

All this talk about his hair colour being wrong is getting surreally close to criticizing a copycat killer for not being faithful enough to his source material.

170M for the weeekend.

Avengers fans can relax.

My first thoughts are for the victims, and then the guns that allowed this to happen, but I also find myself seriously pissed off that this hateful psychopath has made himself the story and robbed Dark Knight Rises of it's moment of triumph. Nolan, the crew and cast worked on this movie for years. It was a labor of love, and a rare chance for a trilogy to end on a definitive note. I predicted a 200+ million dollar opening months ago, and in recent weeks all indications were that this film was set to blow past opening weekend records. Now the film is irrevocably linked with gut wrenching bloodshed, and he's stolen the joy and enthusiasm millions felt for this movie. It's just despicable. He couldn't make anything of himself in his life, so he decided to hijack a pop culture phenomenon for his own sick purposes. 

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Originally Posted by cccc 

170M for the weeekend.

 

Avengers fans can relax.

Actually they shouldn't relax.  Because if they were honestly nervous about which movie would temporarily hold the box office record for gross in a weekend, they're gigantic losers.  And they probably need some exercise.

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Originally Posted by Bailey 

 

Actually they shouldn't relax.  Because if they were honestly nervous about which movie would temporarily hold the box office record for gross in a weekend, they're gigantic losers.  And they probably need some exercise.

Fuck you I eat what I want.

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Originally Posted by The Dark Shape 

 

Nice.  If it hits 90 then 200 over the weekend is in play.  It's not hitting Avengers at this point, but the first person who says "only" making 180-190m is a disappointment gets a nice punch to the face.

 

Regardless, it'll end up being the #2 opening weekend of all time and the biggest 2D opening.

Really, 180-190 million dissapointing, are you freakin' kidding me.  Those numbers are just insane man, now had TDKR opened to 130-140m or something than you can say dissapointing. Coming into this year i definantly would'nt have envisioned "The Avengers" & TDKR posting these kind of numbers, huge but not like this.

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Originally Posted by FilmNerdJamie 

Curious how word of mouth/CinemaScore will fare? Everyone walking outta my midnight screening was raving (I thought it was very good, but not great - not complaining, mind you!)

What's crazy about that is "The Avengers" got an A+, TASM A- & TDKR an A from Cinemascore, 3 comic book films in one year scoring that high, never seen nothing like it before.  It just goes to show you that all three films are crowd pleasers to the audience which i happen to agree with. This is what happens when you have good directors with a vision and strong casts, other aspiring comic book films need to take note.

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Originally Posted by FilmNerdJamie 

Weekdays will fare better for Bats compared to Avengers. At point, it becomes how close will it get to The Dark Knight's $535M. Still say it does $500M.

I was thinking more like 450M, but 500M is not out the realm of possibility.

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Originally Posted by Ambler 

Does anyone think that the tragedy will more likely affect the long term box office rather than opening weekend (as much)?  I mean let's say your average moviegoer who would've seen the movie 4 times in the theater (the type of behavior that puts these films close to the billion mark) only sees it once or twice, not wanting to take a chance, knowing the film will be on dvd/blu in a matter of months anyway...where they can see it as much as they want in the relative safety of their home.

No, i don't think it will effect it's overall box office at all.

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Originally Posted by cccc 

170M for the weeekend.

 

Avengers fans can relax.

Coming into this weekend i was thinking 165-170M , but now after friday's numbers i'll say 180-185M.

It's clear the Aurora shooting had an impact on yesterday.  I'm curious to see if today will actually increase from Friday (minus midnights).

Because night sales were down.  Because it made less after midnight than The Dark Knight did.

I imagine that the ticket sales and attendance were down in Denver. Imagine if there was one or two other incidents on the same night in different cities. Hope no one gets any sick ideas from this. 

The numbers are going to be weird on this; anecdotal, but last night, the IMAX theater I attended was only 3/4 full at showtime and it had sold out three weeks ago. The theater had a sign up offering refunds for people who were too scared to attend the show. The shooting has absolutely had an effect, and to what extent, we may not know for a while. 

Everything is always anecdotal. But...this movie is NOT AS GOOD as The Dark Knight (fact), so wouldn't you expect a bit of a drop-off after midnight showings compared to TDK, no matter what? I know I was (based on the anecdotal evidence of theaters in my area and reviews of the film) long before this tragedy occurred.