CHUD NUMBERS: Box Office Discussion Thread - Page 278

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Eh?   500 days of summer.   

 

The TV series is awesome tho.

He directed the pilot. I would place that far above 500 Days of Summer. And, yes, on the same terms.

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Originally Posted by cccc 

Your opinion.  Anyway, the guys is nothing special.   At least 500 days was original.  

Like its your opinion Webb's filmography is superior and Berg sucks. See what I just did there?

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Originally Posted by FilmNerdJamie 

 

Like its your opinion Webb's filmography is superior and Berg sucks. See what I just did there?

He's made two movies.  Can we say Berg has made more shit then Webb then?   

The Amazing Spiderman has proven itself to be the most influential superhero movie ever told.  By doing what nobody else ever has, telling an origin of the superhero, he was able to dictate the tone that all superhero movies will follow after, and some studios are even debating whether to remake their far inferior products to this revolutionary storytelling concept.

The Kingdom is one of the all time worst movies of all time.  Jamie Foxx proves once again he should stick to tv, and Jason Bateman should continue doing what he is known best for, nothing.  

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He's made two movies.  Can we say Berg has made more shit then Webb then?   

I'm tapping out.

Let's just calm down here, fellas.

Keep things friendly.

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Originally Posted by cccc 

He's made two movies.  Can we say Berg has made more shit then Webb then?   

Reading comprehension is not one of your strengths. Crystal clear.

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Originally Posted by cccc 

 

 

He's made two movies.  Can we say Berg has made more shit then Webb then?   

Ah, I'll take one more spin.

You said that Marc Webb's output is better than anything Berg has ever done. Even if you prefer Webb, the margin between them is not that wide.

Seriously, I really liked 500 Days of Summer, but that gives no reason to say Berg is a hack.  Berg is as better as a director than he is as an actor.  He screwed the pooch with his big paycheck battleshit, and Hancock left a lot to be desired, but I don't think anything else warrants him as a hack.

So... what kind of drop are we thinking for The Dark Knight Rises and how badly will The Watch and Step Up 18 shit the bed?

Remember when this thread was good?

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Originally Posted by FilmNerdJamie 

So... what kind of drop are we thinking for The Dark Knight Rises and how badly will The Watch and Step Up 18 shit the bed?

I think the watch may work for counter-programming just because Jonah Hill is hot right now.  I'm guessing 30m OW.   Step Up might have a problem hitting 5m.

I guess it would be unreasonable to say that they're both talented filmmakers with strengths and weaknesses in different ways.

And if Len Wiseman is terrible, then what do we call Uwe Boll?

I see The Watch making less than 20 M and Step Up less than 15 M.

The Dark Knight dropped 52% its second weekend so if that 20%-25% poll that some moviegoers are still scared to go to the movies thing is even a bit accurate, I'd say maybe a 60% drop.

Uwe Boll.
 

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Originally Posted by User_32 

I guess it would be unreasonable to say that they're both talented filmmakers with strengths and weaknesses in different ways.

 

And if Len Wiseman is terrible, then what do we call Uwe Boll?

 

I see The Watch making less than 20 M and Step Up less than 15 M.

How about we hope nobody ever calls Uwe Boll again, for any reason.

The Watch is tracking in the shitter, a la below $20M.

I'm of the camp The Dark Knight Rises's drop won't be as steep due to many staying away last weekend in addition to the positive word of mouth. $65-70M.

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And if Len Wiseman is terrible, then what do we call Uwe Boll?

Cancer.

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Originally Posted by The Prankster 

 They've been doing that with horror for a while, now this fucklehead producer with the remake rights to Verhoeven's movies wants to do the same to them. 

Maybe he comes back to the genre to show 'em all how it's done? Make a movie so balls-out crazy he'd be daring others to remake it.  I'd love that.

I plan to make it to Dark Knight this weekend, but Beasts of the Southern Wild is first on my list.  I'm curious how poisonous reviews for The Watch will be, considering the context.

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Originally Posted by jahosive 

The Amazing Spiderman has proven itself to be the most influential superhero movie ever told.  By doing what nobody else ever has, telling an origin of the superhero, he was able to dictate the tone that all superhero movies will follow after, and some studios are even debating whether to remake their far inferior products to this revolutionary storytelling concept.

 

The Kingdom is one of the all time worst movies of all time.  Jamie Foxx proves once again he should stick to tv, and Jason Bateman should continue doing what he is known best for, nothing.  

So you're saying Jaime Foxx sould stick to TV, with films like 'Ray', 'Collateral', 'Dreamgrils', and the upcoming 'Django Unchained', i don't think so homie. Sure he's been in some bad films, what actor has'nt that's been in the game long enough. When this cat is dailed in and given a good role, he can be damn near flawless.

The big takeaway from this conversation is there are people who don't see how Berg is a poor man's Michael Mann, full of empty calories, and The Kingdom is a big dumb episode of CSI: Saudi Arabia crossed with 24 with fumbling attempt at relevance in its final seconds.

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The big takeaway from this conversation is there are people who don't see how Berg is a poor man's Michael Mann, full of empty calories, and The Kingdom is a big dumb episode of CSI: Saudi Arabia crossed with 24 with fumbling attempt at relevance in its final seconds.

Peter Berg doesn't know what he is.  Battleship is a Bay clone of transformers.   I can't believe people actually stick up for him.  He's a total hack.  At least with Bay (can't believe I'm defending him) he has a style and you know you are watching a bay film.  For better or worse.  

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Originally Posted by orlando 

So you're saying Jaime Foxx sould stick to TV, with films like 'Ray', 'Collateral', 'Dreamgrils', and the upcoming 'Django Unchained', i don't think so homie. Sure he's been in some bad films, what actor has'nt that's been in the game long enough. When this cat is dailed in and given a good role, he can be damn near flawless.

Did you read my whole post?  Sarcasm is always lost on the boards I guess.

While I wouldn't call Berg a hack, I don't think he's any better than say...Breck Eisner.  Middling studio journeyman with a few interesting ideas that were used up in the first couple films.

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Originally Posted by Ambler 

While I wouldn't call Berg a hack, I don't think he's any better than say...Breck Eisner.  Middling studio journeyman with a few interesting ideas that were used up in the first couple films.

Exactly what I was gonna say.  Hack may be too strong of a word, but I'm not going to fall all over myself defending the man if someone felt that way.  He's directed two or three above average but not spectacular films, and is currently coming off back to back stinkers.

But I guess it's all relative, becuase compared to Wiseman the guy is PTA.

Some people use "hack" to mean a workman director, which Berg is, and some people use it to mean a bad director, which Len Wiseman is. It's a confusing bit of message board semantics.

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Originally Posted by FilmNerdJamie 

The Watch is tracking in the shitter, a la below $20M.

 

I'm of the camp The Dark Knight Rises's drop won't be as steep due to many staying away last weekend in addition to the positive word of mouth. $65-70M.

I agree with you, i see TDKR taking in 65-70M this weekend as well. it should be very close to 300M domestic by sunday night. It should have absolutely no problem in reaching 400M domestic, i'm lookong at 425-450M domestic in the end.

Some insight from boxofficeguru about the box office unpredictability of Dark Knight Rises during the week.

http://www.boxofficeguru.com/072412.htm

Dark Knight Rises will do around $450M ish when its all said and done. A great number on its own merit, especially solid considering the circumstances.

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Some insight from boxofficeguru about the box office unpredictability of Dark Knight Rises during the week.

 

Showing erratic behavior all week spotlighting the unpredictability of its run, The Dark Knight Rises grossed $13M onThursday dipping only 5% from its Wednesday take. That was half the decline of The Dark Knight from four years earlier which fell by 10% on the same days during its first week in theaters.

 

http://www.boxofficeguru.com/072412.htm

I can't speak about the general point, but this datum is weird. Here are the drops for TDK

M -43.8%

T  -14.8%

W -11.9%

R  -10.4%

Here are the drops for TDKR

M -51.8%

T  -8.4%

W -22.5%

R  -5.4%

The Thursday drop has more to do with the Wednesday take (13.7M for TDKR as opposed to 18.3M for TDK) than any thing else.

The fact that TDKR, while beating TDK during the OW, is trailing for the seven day indicates that it did not hold as well. Whether this is because of the reception of the film (maybe), reluctance to attend movies following the shooting (probably), or a combination of the two (most likely) is a matter for conjecture.

I'm impressed that any of you have any feelings at all about either Mark Webb or Peter Berg, especially to the point where you're ready to fight about it. Personally, I haven't really liked any of their movies that much, but I'll pick Webb, because Berg made Hancock. Total Recall would have to work pretty fucking hard to be worse than Hancock.

Speaking of Total Recall, I don't understand taking that one personally either. Walter White is playing the villain, which is quite simply enough for me.

AUGUST NUMBERS: DOG DAYS

DIary of a Wimpy Kid - 28 million (Spring franchise, perhaps not up to Summer)

Total Recall - 55 million 

Bourne Legacy - 85 million (I'm going low - I don't think anyone's gonna be too excited for this)

The Campaign - 65 million (this is not a confidently advertised film)

Hope Springs - 45 million

Expendables 2 - 90 million

Odd Life of Timothy Green - 9 million (Is this movie Christian? If it's Christian, I'd likely add ten million, but I'm not researching it)

Paranorman - 70 million

Sparkle - 30 million

The Apparition - 25 million

Hit & Run - 3 million

Premium Rush - 30 million

Lawless - 22 million

The Possession - 35 million

Ugh, rough ass month. Did you all hear The Master is coming out in September now?

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Originally Posted by FilmNerdJamie 

Dark Knight Rises will do around $450M ish when its all said and done. A great number on its own merit, especially solid considering the circumstances.

That is a very good number.  Esp for a part 3.   

The Dark Knight Rises remained #1 even though it dropped a surprisingly hefty 76% from its opening a  week ago

Yeah, this is not going to crack 500M.

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Originally Posted by jahosive 

Did you read my whole post?  Sarcasm is always lost on the boards I guess.

Alright, than my bad. Missed the sarcasm part.

$18m is not a particularly good number, but looking at the other films, TDKR held up really well -- it had the second highest Thursday-Friday increase in the top ten.

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Originally Posted by FilmNerdJamie 

Dark Knight Rises will do around $450M ish $425M ish when its all said and done. A great number on its own merit, especially solid considering the circumstances.

Corrected.

Step Up: Revolution seems to be doing okay considering the circumstances. I get the feeling there's not been that much promotion for it?

THe Watch is a major flop with a 4.5 Million Friday,and I don't think the Treyvon Martin connection had much if anything to do with it. Bad Reviews, Weak WOM, The OLympics and the Colorado shootings doing a double whammy to overall attendance,and "Ted" being still in wide release and a much better received option if you are in the mood for a R rated comedy combined to wreck this film.

Huge jump on Saturday after that nose-dive Friday. Looks like people are finally getting back in the mood to go out (My local theater was considerably packed last night compared to last Saturday) and $450M is officially back in play for The Dark Knight Rises.

Am I the only one who thought it was in poor taste for "The Watch" to feature a money shot where the heroes blow up a cow? I'm no Animal Rights guy, but I always thought that was kinda fucked up, and I wouldn't be surprised if that left a bad taste in people's mouths.

Oh, also the movie didn't look funny. At all.

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THe Watch is a major flop with a 4.5 Million Friday,and I don't think the Treyvon Martin connection had much if anything to do with it. Bad Reviews, Weak WOM, The OLympics and the Colorado shootings doing a double whammy to overall attendance,and "Ted" being still in wide release and a much better received option if you are in the mood for a R rated comedy combined to wreck this film.

not to mention the fact that it looks like a steaming pile of shit.

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Am I the only one who thought it was in poor taste for "The Watch" to feature a money shot where the heroes blow up a cow? I'm no Animal Rights guy, but I always thought that was kinda fucked up, and I wouldn't be surprised if that left a bad taste in people's mouths.

 

Oh, also the movie didn't look funny. At all.

That bit always played to crickets at my screenings.

The Watch has been fucked for the longest time anyway. Honestly, everything about the alien invasion feels like it was an after-thought/re-shoot to save the film after Martin/Zimmerman hit the fan.

Pretty sure the alien subplot was locked in way before shooting. But the script's (from Seth Rogen!) been kicked around a lot, and I'm certain it didn't START as an alien invasion movie. I think Will Ferrell and Adam McKay were involved back then.

$25m Saturday for TDKR?  40% Fri-Saturday increase?

"Ain't nothin's over till it's over."

It shouldn't be, but this is one of the most consistently entertaining threads on CHUD.

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Originally Posted by Arjen Rudd 

I'm impressed that any of you have any feelings at all about either Mark Webb or Peter Berg, especially to the point where you're ready to fight about it. Personally, I haven't really liked any of their movies that much, but I'll pick Webb, because Berg made Hancock. Total Recall would have to work pretty fucking hard to be worse than Hancock.

 

Speaking of Total Recall, I don't understand taking that one personally either. Walter White is playing the villain, which is quite simply enough for me.

 

AUGUST NUMBERS: DOG DAYS

 

DIary of a Wimpy Kid - 28 million (Spring franchise, perhaps not up to Summer)

Total Recall - 55 million 

Bourne Legacy - 85 million (I'm going low - I don't think anyone's gonna be too excited for this)

The Campaign - 65 million (this is not a confidently advertised film)

Hope Springs - 45 million

Expendables 2 - 90 million

Odd Life of Timothy Green - 9 million (Is this movie Christian? If it's Christian, I'd likely add ten million, but I'm not researching it)

Paranorman - 70 million

Sparkle - 30 million

The Apparition - 25 million

Hit & Run - 3 million

Premium Rush - 30 million

Lawless - 22 million

The Possession - 35 million

 

Ugh, rough ass month. Did you all hear The Master is coming out in September

Your predictions are too low on "The Bourne Legacy"(will do 100+M with it's eyes closed), "Total Recal"(should do 80-100M), "Sparke"(will do better than that, 'Whitney' in her last starring role), "Expendables"( you're probally close, i say 90-120M) & "Lawless"( a tricky one, but with a strong cast and pretty decent looking film should do better than 22M). The rest of the films i can't comment on. You are right about August being a pretty weak month, especially compared to May, June & July. "The Bourne Legacy" is  probally the only film with true breakout potential (150M domestic or more) in the bunch. I know Jerremy Renner is not Matt Damon, but in the last few years he's been in some high profile and damn good films, "The Hurt Locker", "The Town", "Mission Impossible GP" & "The Avengers", which should help give him reconition and awarenees with movie audiences in "TBL".