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post #15451 of 23230
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Originally Posted by The Dark Shape View Post

I don't think the Weinsteins have any idea what to do with HORROR.

 

Fixed that for you!

 

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Originally Posted by The Dark Shape View Post

A bit.  It cost $100m to make.

 

I've been wondering over the past week where in the hell that number came from.  The original budget was $70 million, but it went over and QT himself placed it at around $83 million for the final tally.  Now, all of a sudden, Box Office Mojo has had it listed as $100 million since Christmas Day.

post #15452 of 23230
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For what it's worth, Todd Farmer's a pretty good friend of mine, and that's not what I heard about either Halloween 3D or My Bloody Valentine 2.

 

My info on MBV2 came from another industry writer, but perhaps they had theirs wires crossed on the subject.

post #15453 of 23230
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Originally Posted by User_32 View Post

They're very lucky that Tarantino is so loyal to them. I guess writing him a blank check and full creative control helps but I'd assume most studios would offer him that by now.

 

They're smart. Save for Death Proof (and that fiasco was blamed more on Rodriquez), the man makes them money. Good money. Plus the awards accolades that follows. Tarantino has achieved a status not since Kubrick. The madman genius who left to his own devices serves up films ripe for success critically and commercially. Few directors are truly household names. He's one of them.

post #15454 of 23230

Quentin won't leave the Weinsteins while they are still in business, be it at TWC or if they ultimately move elsewhere when it inevitably goes down in flames.  Rodriguez still has strong ties with them as well, but he doesn't bring nearly as much attention and is almost self-sustaining these days with Troublemaker Studios.  Their other fav helmer, Kevin Smith, is seemingly on the verge of retiring and is no longer a "sure thing".

 

So yeah, things aren't looking too great for The Weinstein Company.

post #15455 of 23230

If Tarantino stops being a sure thing (Something Kevin Smith has never been) and/or they start screwing him over, then yes he will leave. And find no problem getting other backers. As for Rodriquez, he left their company after Grindhouse for a couple of years. Like I said, he got the blame for that failure. That's why you saw him set up at Fox for awhile.

post #15456 of 23230
Why would Rodriguez get the blame for Grindhouse? The impression I got was that his entry was generally better received.
post #15457 of 23230

Just checking, but why did Grindhouse fail?

post #15458 of 23230
Two reasons: Poor release date (Easter) and the mistaken belief that people wanted to watch two films back-to-back. We all did, but most people didn't.
post #15459 of 23230
Also the concept was a nostalgic throwback to a specific kind of cinema experience most of the target audience would never have had, so the marketing had to go out of its way to explain what it was all about and why they thought it was a cool idea (and failed, based on the reports of people leaving after planet terror), and it cost about five times what it probably should've, given the concept. It was a massive self indulgent folly.

All that, along with the fact the Machete trailer was one of the few things everyone seemed to like, and that Tarantino's entry was widely disliked and showed him disappearing up his own arse like never before, makes it seem a bit unfair to pin the failure of it all solely on Rodriguez.
post #15460 of 23230

BlueLouBoyle, I got alot of flack from my mom when I declared that day the...Best Good Friday Ever!  I also told her I was...Dying to see Grindhouse! I was in the...Doghouse that weekend after seeing...Grindhouse on one of the most holy days of the year.  

post #15461 of 23230
Fleed, I bet you were flogged and crucified when you got home!

I thought the GRINDHOUSE trailers were fantastic. But I can see why some people weren't up for it. You were screwed if you wanted dinner as well.
post #15462 of 23230

BlueLouBoyle,  Jesus...was I!  It lasted for...3 Days and 3 Nights, til I rose again!

post #15463 of 23230
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Originally Posted by felix View Post

Just checking, but why did Grindhouse fail?

 

The better question is: why did anyone think it would be financially successful? Nothing about that project screamed sure fire hit, up to and including the directors involved.

post #15464 of 23230

Well to be fair, around that time Tarantino and Rodriguez projects were clearing $50m at the very least, so you'd imagine a team up movie would do at least that. It's kind of like a reverse Avengers - just like some point at that and say "Oh well obviously it was going to go through the roof", you can point at all this stuff and say "well obviously Grindhouse was going to bomb". Post hoc reasoning! C'est la vie say the old folks, it goes to show you never can tell.

post #15465 of 23230

Well I was wrong about no interest in Texas Chainsaw 3D. 10 M? Guess horror fans are literally gluttons for punishment. 

post #15466 of 23230

The Devil Inside came out around the same time last year (IMDb says January 6th) and did reasonably well too. Perhaps this is turning out to be a good weekend on which to release horror movies as people are done with Christmas spirit and just want to watch people die horribly. Or maybe it just reflects how they're feeling about returning to their jobs.

post #15467 of 23230

Looks like Chainsaw takes the weekend, Django 2nd, Hobbit 3rd.

post #15468 of 23230

Man, it seems that more often than not, bad horror gets rewarded at the box office.
 

post #15469 of 23230

The Hobbit had a better fourth weekend than any of The Lord of the Rings films did. All the doom and gloom over that movie's box office on opening weekend seems kind of funny now.

post #15470 of 23230
Wow, DJANGO made $20 million. Nice one. And REACHER only fell 31%, one of the best holds of the top ten. It could make 90 million, although probably not 100. I wonder if that i will be good enough for a sequel.
post #15471 of 23230

As bad as Chainsaw 3D is (and man is it bad) I'm always glad to see horror do well. I don't know what that piece of crap cost, but 23 mil has got to cover it. 

post #15472 of 23230
Surprised The Hobbit has done as well as it has.
post #15473 of 23230
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Originally Posted by Sebastian OB View Post

As bad as Chainsaw 3D is (and man is it bad) I'm always glad to see horror do well. I don't know what that piece of crap cost, but 23 mil has got to cover it. 

Surely we want GOOD horror do well, not this crap. Like THE STRANGERS or DRIVE ANGRY.
post #15474 of 23230
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Originally Posted by Bluelouboyle View Post

Surely we want GOOD horror do well, not this crap. Like THE STRANGERS or DRIVE ANGRY.

I wouldn't put Drive Angry in the horror genre. It belongs in the exclusive genre of Nic Cage movies.
post #15475 of 23230
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Originally Posted by Turingmachine75 View Post

Surprised The Hobbit has done as well as it has.


Why? With the exception of some geek circles, most people are really enjoying the movie.

post #15476 of 23230

Word of mouth has been quite good with regards to The Hobbit. I know two people who initially weren't going to see it and then did so because of what their friends were saying. Official reviewers seem to have been harsher on the movie than audiences.

post #15477 of 23230
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Originally Posted by MrSaxon View Post

Official reviewers seem to have been harsher on the movie than audiences.

 

Isn't that what usually happens, though?

post #15478 of 23230
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Originally Posted by Bluelouboyle View Post

Wow, DJANGO made $20 million. Nice one. And REACHER only fell 31%, one of the best holds of the top ten. It could make 90 million, although probably not 100. I wonder if that i will be good enough for a sequel.

Will Cruise insist on another, is the real question. That'll decide it.

And Oblivion may whether he wants it or not.
post #15479 of 23230
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Originally Posted by Bailey View Post

 

Isn't that what usually happens, though?

 

Only in the case of horror, from what I've noticed. And Tyler Perry movies.

post #15480 of 23230
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Originally Posted by MrSaxon View Post

 

Only in the case of horror, from what I've noticed. And Tyler Perry movies.

 

What else is there, I ask you?

post #15481 of 23230
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Originally Posted by Bailey View Post

 

What else is there, I ask you?

 

Nothing sadly. Sometimes I go to the local cinema and I see either horror movies or Tyler Perry movies there. I hear that Tyler Perry is making a horror movie called Why Did I Get Buried?. Once that comes out, it'll be back to the status quo.

post #15482 of 23230

Very happy to see that JACK REACHER is holding up.  Everyone that I know who has seen it has absolutely loved the damned thing.

post #15483 of 23230
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Originally Posted by Bailey View Post

Isn't that what usually happens, though?

 

It can go either way when it comes to geek movies. Critics don't generally have as much investment in a franchise as the fans, and sometimes they'll give passes to movies that get the fans frothing at the mouth: Prometheus, Indy IV and Star Wars III come to mind. Other times (like this one) the fans are willing to forgive things that critics aren't.

post #15484 of 23230
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Originally Posted by Paul C View Post

 

It can go either way when it comes to geek movies. Critics don't generally have as much investment in a franchise as the fans, and sometimes they'll give passes to movies that get the fans frothing at the mouth: Prometheus, Indy IV and Star Wars III come to mind. Other times (like this one) the fans are willing to forgive things that critics aren't.


Fanboys are silly.

post #15485 of 23230
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post

Very happy to see that JACK REACHER is holding up.  Everyone that I know who has seen it has absolutely loved the damned thing.


I talked to two friends who found it silly and awful.

 

Obviously, I drank their blood from a boot.

post #15486 of 23230

Having not seen JACK REACHER and never intending to, I can say with full confidence that it is not as good as THE DARK KNIGHT RISES. What a great film. Oscar worthy, some might say. 

post #15487 of 23230
Yeah TDKR is the definition of great cinema!!!
post #15488 of 23230

When we are judged by a superior race as violent and primitive, and our species is but minutes from extermination, it will be THE DARK KNIGHT RISES that proves to the invaders that our existence is justified.

post #15489 of 23230

That and MIRROR MIRROR. 

post #15490 of 23230
NO. That film will be DRIVE ANGRY. (NOT sarcasm).
post #15491 of 23230
Anecdotal, but Django showings in my area on Sunday evening were near sold out today. Not sure about Chainsaw. Could final numbers see the two switched? Or is the estimated 3 mil too big of a difference?
post #15492 of 23230

BlueLouBoyle, I do not want you to...Drive Angry in...3D, but...The Expendables is the film series that makes most others...EXPENDABLE!

post #15493 of 23230
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Originally Posted by Bluelouboyle View Post

NO. That film will be DRIVE ANGRY. (NOT sarcasm).

I'm am okay with my entire species being summed up by a Nic Cage movie.

What's the ceiling for Zero Dark Thirty this weekend? Buzz is crazy good. 30 million plus?
post #15494 of 23230
Just my gut feeling, but I doubt anyone's gonna go see it, buzz be damned. Hurt Locker won best picture and made like 12 million.
post #15495 of 23230

Just a gut feeling, but i think horror is going to do pretty well this year. The Evil Dead especially.

 

Not sure if they'll end it at Paranormal Activity 5 though.

post #15496 of 23230
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Originally Posted by Arjen Rudd View Post

Just my gut feeling, but I doubt anyone's gonna go see it, buzz be damned. Hurt Locker won best picture and made like 12 million.

 

I wonder if people are going to feel tricked that there's not more action in it.

post #15497 of 23230
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Originally Posted by Arjen Rudd View Post

Just my gut feeling, but I doubt anyone's gonna go see it, buzz be damned. Hurt Locker won best picture and made like 12 million.

 

 

I dunno, people actively avoided movies about Iraq or the Afghan conflict, but now that we're more or less out of or leaving both countries, and we killed Osama real good, people might go to see this as a kind of virtual Victory Dance.

post #15498 of 23230

Box Office Mojo points out that Life Of Pi is raking it in overseas, and may finish up somewhere in the region of $500m worldwide.

 

I wonder if that's some small sign of where things are going. Everyone's been talking about how important overseas money has become in recent years, but this is a pretty striking example of Hollywood putting out a big budget movie that you could argue has more inherent appeal outside the US than within.

 

When you look at it: the main characters are Indian, it has exactly one white American cast member who has about five minutes of screentime, it features plenty of peans to non-western religions, and the rare occasion the movie features the American continent it's only for Canada and Mexico! And even though it's only done modestly well in the US it seems to have paid off.

 

I wonder if we'll ever reach the stage where Hollywood finds itself quite deliberately making movies with limited US appeal when they know they can rake it in worldwide.

post #15499 of 23230
We're there. Tintin.
post #15500 of 23230
Ah, good call.
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